Hi, I may be having the same problem as I sent an email on 6th and although I'm receiving plenty of emails, none are an answer to my question. Any ideas? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Barker" <rbarker15@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:08 AM Subject: [B'ham] Problems > Could I ask please if anyone is having problems with any of the mailing > lists? Although I seem to be receiving messages It seems that any messages > from me are not getting through. I have tried to put messages on the > Wolverhampton site but without success. I have even e Mailed them to ask why > but get no response. Appreciate any help, Thanks, Bob > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 4021 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

St Judes was Church of England to the best of my knowledge. I will let you know when I get a photo, and post a message on list just in case others want to have a copy. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter hanlon" <p.anluain2@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: [B'ham] MacDonald Thank you all very much for your advice re Robert Macdonald born in Birmingham. After doing family history for over ten years now I have learned not to go wasting £7 of my valuable pension willy nilly, on various certificates, so I try and gain as much info as possible before splashing out. Thank you for your advice and concern Pauline, If you do manage to find a photo of St Judes church I would appriciate a copy very much (Was it RC or Cof E?) Thank you all again Peter

Robyn My thoughts are that you probably will not find much information on the internet about prisons currently open for security reasons. Information about the building and the architect etc, can probably be obtained from Birmingham library, but I doubt you will find a lot of info. what information did you require? The Prison Archives are at Newbold Revell, but it's very difficult to get a telephone number - I tried and had little luck, but then I got it via someone who worked for the Prison Service. That was some years ago now and I did not keep it. Perhaps you should write to them, giving all details. Newbold Revell is in Warwickshire, near Rubgy. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Shaw" <m.rshaw@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Executioner, a Civil Servant ? > My rellie was in Winson Prison, in the condemned cell waiting to be hanged. > Somehow he must have got a pardon and ended up at Parkhurst for ten years. > I wish I knew something about this place, or either of them. Nothing much > on internet. Anyone with details of any sites that might have something > could let me know. This was not until 1920 though. He went to Parthurst > until 1930. THEY have told me there are not records of him there....William > SMALL. Bricklayer. > Robyn,Qld,Oz. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <VAGarvey@aol.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:54 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Executioner, a Civil Servant ? > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > Happy New Year to all. > > > > I assume the Birmingham executions were carried out at Winwons Green > > Prison? > > As the official executioner, I recall that in his hay day, Pierpoint > > traveled to work? I think it was his most notorious remark was to the > > question, " Mr > > Pierpoint, how have you carried out your work for so long?" Albert > > replied, > > " I found it easier to give up smoking! " > > > > Best wishes to all on this windy, rainswept night in Kent. > > > > Vic > > Kent, UK > > _____________________________________________ > > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > > http://www.bham.de/ > > > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 8/01/2007 > > 4:12 PM > > > > > > >

Peter, you are lucky that it only costs you 7 pounds. Overseas people have to buy sterling cheques and stuff, and end up paying a lot more for the same thing. It is a worry when you have a common name and so each member of the family calls their kids the same names and so on. You never know whose kid is James or William, could be any of the brother's kids. My lot is SMALL, mostly William or John, aaagghh. robyn, qld. oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter hanlon" <p.anluain2@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:37 AM Subject: [B'ham] MacDonald Thank you all very much for your advice re Robert Macdonald born in Birmingham. After doing family history for over ten years now I have learned not to go wasting £7 of my valuable pension willy nilly, on various certificates, so I try and gain as much info as possible before splashing out. Thank you for your advice and concern Pauline, If you do manage to find a photo of St Judes church I would appriciate a copy very much (Was it RC or Cof E?) Thank you all again Peter _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 8/01/2007 4:12 PM

Well, he may have been found not guilty. Was wrongly summoned. Still it does make you curious doesn't it. Maybe the fellow he shot, recovered???....Maybe it was mistaken identity....we can dream. Robyn,Qld.Oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J KING" <jillybrenin@btinternet.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:05 AM Subject: [B'ham] Military help please - Court Martial > Hi Listers > > Can anyone tell me, please, how one might gain info about a Court Martial > held about 1920 ? > > I have the Regiment, the soldiers number and an original record which > states > > "Proceedings ...blah blah.....All records of the Conviction have been > erased from this mans records" > > I ought perhaps to add that this was a British Soldier in Dublin. > > Curious eh ? > > Jilly > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 8/01/2007 > 4:12 PM > >

My rellie was in Winson Prison, in the condemned cell waiting to be hanged. Somehow he must have got a pardon and ended up at Parkhurst for ten years. I wish I knew something about this place, or either of them. Nothing much on internet. Anyone with details of any sites that might have something could let me know. This was not until 1920 though. He went to Parthurst until 1930. THEY have told me there are not records of him there....William SMALL. Bricklayer. Robyn,Qld,Oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: <VAGarvey@aol.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Executioner, a Civil Servant ? > Hi Guys, > > Happy New Year to all. > > I assume the Birmingham executions were carried out at Winwons Green > Prison? > As the official executioner, I recall that in his hay day, Pierpoint > traveled to work? I think it was his most notorious remark was to the > question, " Mr > Pierpoint, how have you carried out your work for so long?" Albert > replied, > " I found it easier to give up smoking! " > > Best wishes to all on this windy, rainswept night in Kent. > > Vic > Kent, UK > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 8/01/2007 > 4:12 PM > >

[B'ham] executions 1932 - 1964 Birmingham Hi Elizabeth & Michael, yes there is more information available regarding people executed in the British Isles. Here is the website. Good luck. Joy http://www.richard.clark32.btinternet.co.uk/contents.html

G'day List, could not bring myself to delete these people executed in Birmingham, just maybe they are some ones brickwall! Cheers Joy English & Welsh executions 1932 - 1964 Name Age Date Place victims 1940 Peter Barnes 32 and James Richards 29 7th February Birmingham (Victims) Elsie Ansell, Gwilym Rowland, John Arnott, James Clay & Rex Gentle 1933 Stanley Hobday 21 29th December Birmingham Charles William Fox 1936 Dorothea Waddingham (f)36 16th April Birmingham Louisa Baguley, Ada Baguley 1941 Eli Richards 45 19th September Birmingham Jane Turner 1942 Arthur Peach 23 30th January Birmingham Kitty Lyon Harold Merry 40 10th September Birmingham Joyce Dixon (girlfriend) 1943 William Quayle 52 3rd August Birmingham Vera Clarke 1949 James Farrell 19 29th March Birmingham Joan Marney 1951 William Watkins 49 3rd April Birmingham Unnamed son Horace Carter 31 1st January Birmingham Sheila Attwood 1953 Leslie Green 29 23rd December Birmingham Alice Wiltshaw 1955 Corbett Roberts 46 2nd August Birmingham Doris Roberts (wife) Ernest Harding 42 9th August Birmingham Evelyn Higgins 1957 Dennis Howard 24 4th December Birmingham David Keasey 1958 Matthew Kavanagh 32 12th August Birmingham Isaiah Dixon

I'm with Robyn on her suggestions... I had a relative as well who was in the British Military involved in activities in Ireland during that same era...He does not exist anymore on anything but his WW1 record- no police record on him either when he served with a police force in N. Ireland....30 yrs after his death, the family secret came out... he was involved in the Black & Tans...those records were destroyed. It took me years to find an immigration record on him...they lied on their name & nationality to get here. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Shaw Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:08 PM To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Military help please - Court Martial Well, he may have been found not guilty. Was wrongly summoned. Still it does make you curious doesn't it. Maybe the fellow he shot, recovered???....Maybe it was mistaken identity....we can dream. Robyn,Qld.Oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J KING" <jillybrenin@btinternet.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:05 AM Subject: [B'ham] Military help please - Court Martial > Hi Listers > > Can anyone tell me, please, how one might gain info about a Court Martial > held about 1920 ? > > I have the Regiment, the soldiers number and an original record which > states > > "Proceedings ...blah blah.....All records of the Conviction have been > erased from this mans records" > > I ought perhaps to add that this was a British Soldier in Dublin. > > Curious eh ? > > Jilly > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 8/01/2007 > 4:12 PM > > _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you all very much for your advice re Robert Macdonald born in Birmingham. After doing family history for over ten years now I have learned not to go wasting £7 of my valuable pension willy nilly, on various certificates, so I try and gain as much info as possible before splashing out. Thank you for your advice and concern Pauline, If you do manage to find a photo of St Judes church I would appriciate a copy very much (Was it RC or Cof E?) Thank you all again Peter

Kathleen: Although I read all messages I do not have your original message as I delete them if they do not relate to my area of interest. Perhaps you could repost it and it may generate an answer. Reg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam" <kajam1@bigpond.net.au> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Problems > Hi, > I may be having the same problem as I sent an email on 6th and although > I'm > receiving plenty of emails, none are an answer to my question. Any ideas? > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Barker" <rbarker15@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:08 AM > Subject: [B'ham] Problems > > >> Could I ask please if anyone is having problems with any of the mailing >> lists? Although I seem to be receiving messages It seems that any >> messages >> from me are not getting through. I have tried to put messages on the >> Wolverhampton site but without success. I have even e Mailed them to ask > why >> but get no response. Appreciate any help, Thanks, Bob >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >> It has removed 4021 spam emails to date. >> Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >> Try SPAMfighter for free now! >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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I live in Canada and use the On-Line service to get certificates. It is working fine for me. Reg Warm Ontario 2C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Shaw" <m.rshaw@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] MacDonald Peter, you are lucky that it only costs you 7 pounds. Overseas people have to buy sterling cheques and stuff, and end up paying a lot more for the same thing. It is a worry when you have a common name and so each member of the family calls their kids the same names and so on. You never know whose kid is James or William, could be any of the brother's kids. My lot is SMALL, mostly William or John, aaagghh. robyn, qld. oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter hanlon" <p.anluain2@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:37 AM Subject: [B'ham] MacDonald Thank you all very much for your advice re Robert Macdonald born in Birmingham. After doing family history for over ten years now I have learned not to go wasting £7 of my valuable pension willy nilly, on various certificates, so I try and gain as much info as possible before splashing out. Thank you for your advice and concern Pauline, If you do manage to find a photo of St Judes church I would appriciate a copy very much (Was it RC or Cof E?) Thank you all again Peter _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 8/01/2007 4:12 PM _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Joy, do you have any more details of the 1936 execution - re the BAGULEY women please? They may be from my wife's side of the family! Regards, Michael McAllister ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Illguth" <joy.illguth@gmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: [B'ham] executions 1932 - 1964 Birmingham > G'day List, could not bring myself to delete these people executed in > Birmingham, just maybe they are some ones brickwall! Cheers Joy > > > > English & Welsh executions 1932 - 1964 > > Name Age Date > Place victims > 1936 > Dorothea Waddingham (f)36 16th April Birmingham > > > Louisa Baguley, Ada Baguley >

Hi Listers Can anyone tell me, please, how one might gain info about a Court Martial held about 1920 ? I have the Regiment, the soldiers number and an original record which states "Proceedings ...blah blah.....All records of the Conviction have been erased from this mans records" I ought perhaps to add that this was a British Soldier in Dublin. Curious eh ? Jilly

Glenys, hello, Can you provide some more information please?, e.g. Mary's married name, when she was married and other info. from the 1861 census and any other names, ages or places of birth. Cheers, Helen in chilly France --- Glenys Savage <glenys.savage@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi Listers > > I'm new to this List and hoping SKS can help me find > the birth of Mary WRIGHT, born Birmingham, the > daughter of John WRIGHT. Her marriage cert. gives > this much and 1861 census (MDX) confirms it. > > Many thanks, in advance. > > Glenys > in South OZ > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Peter, hello, Have you thought about applying for Robert's birth certificate from Birmingham Register Office. I have always found them extremely helpful and if you stipulate that the mother's name on the birth certificate MUST be Eliza and that Robert was born between approx. 1857 and 1859 I'm sure they will help. If their search is unsuccessful they will refund your £7.00 cheque. Cheers, Helen in chilly France --- peter hanlon <p.anluain2@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hello All > My Great grandfather Robert Macdonald > was christened at St Judes church in Birmingham on > the 23Jan 1859, his father was called robert and his > Mother was called Eliza, he also had a older brother > called John.(source IGI) > Could any of you good people tell me of a > way of finding the surname of his mother Eliza, > mayby from church records or some means and also the > history of St Jues. > > Thanking you > Peter > Hartlepool > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Guys, Happy New Year to all. I assume the Birmingham executions were carried out at Winwons Green Prison? As the official executioner, I recall that in his hay day, Pierpoint traveled to work? I think it was his most notorious remark was to the question, " Mr Pierpoint, how have you carried out your work for so long?" Albert replied, " I found it easier to give up smoking! " Best wishes to all on this windy, rainswept night in Kent. Vic Kent, UK

Albert Pierpoint the executioner played tennis with my late neighbour Jasper Hankinson several times in the Birmingham area at a Civil Service Sports club. Jasper had been a Labour Exchange Manager and died three years ago aged 107, he received his pension for far more years than he worked. I just worked out how many more UK census I be would be able to view if I lived to be that age! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Illguth" <joy.illguth@gmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: [B'ham] executions 1932 - 1964 Birmingham > G'day List, could not bring myself to delete these people executed in > Birmingham, just maybe they are some ones brickwall! Cheers Joy > > > > English & Welsh executions 1932 - 1964 > > Name Age Date > Place victims > > 1940 > Peter Barnes 32 > and > James Richards 29 7th February Birmingham (Victims) Elsie > Ansell, Gwilym Rowland, John Arnott, James Clay & Rex Gentle > > > > 1933 > Stanley Hobday 21 29th December Birmingham > > Charles William Fox > > > 1936 > Dorothea Waddingham (f)36 16th April Birmingham > > > Louisa Baguley, Ada Baguley > > 1941 > Eli Richards 45 19th September Birmingham Jane > Turner > > > > > 1942 > Arthur Peach 23 30th January Birmingham > Kitty Lyon > > > Harold Merry 40 10th September Birmingham > Joyce Dixon (girlfriend) > > > 1943 > > William Quayle 52 3rd August Birmingham > Vera Clarke > > > > > 1949 > > James Farrell 19 29th March Birmingham > Joan Marney > > > > 1951 > > William Watkins 49 3rd April Birmingham > Unnamed son > > Horace Carter 31 1st January Birmingham > Sheila Attwood > > > 1953 > Leslie Green 29 23rd December Birmingham Alice > Wiltshaw > > > 1955 > Corbett Roberts 46 2nd August Birmingham > Doris Roberts (wife) > Ernest Harding 42 9th August Birmingham > Evelyn Higgins > > 1957 > Dennis Howard 24 4th December Birmingham > David Keasey > 1958 > Matthew Kavanagh 32 12th August Birmingham > Isaiah Dixon > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joy where did you get these executions from?? Is there such a thing as a list of Murders in Birmingham for these years by any chance?? Could you forward the website you used to me please?? Elizabeth