Rob is quite right, Prince Rupert camped here with the Royallist forces in 1642. Previously it was Kemps Hill. Please do not confuse it with Camp Hill Grammar School which is now in Kings Heath. Jon -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Rob Williams Sent: 11 January 2007 22:06 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Camp Hill I may be well off beam but I always believed it was to do with where the royalist forces pitched camp prior to the minor action with parliamentary forces in the Civil War. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.dodd" <jl.dodd@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Camp Hill > Camp Hill used to be the site of a large brewery (Ansell's). My family > lived there in the early 1900s. If I find out why it was called that, > I'll > let you know > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:53 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Camp Hill > > >> Hello, >> Can anyone tell me why the are known as Camp Hill was so called? >> >> Jan >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 11/01/2007 15:33

Sorry, I think you are referring to Cape Hill, the Mitchells and Butler Brewery. regards Jon -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of j.dodd Sent: 11 January 2007 22:01 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Camp Hill Camp Hill used to be the site of a large brewery (Ansell's). My family lived there in the early 1900s. If I find out why it was called that, I'll let you know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: [B'ham] Camp Hill > Hello, > Can anyone tell me why the are known as Camp Hill was so called? > > Jan > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 11/01/2007 15:33

Hello Joe I know you are disappointed that your family cannot be found in 1851. Don't let this lack of information stop you from finding your Robert's origins as you know where he was born from later censuses. I have searched for you on Ancestry and on the tri county disk with no luck. We in a worse position with our Thomas ELLIS as he simply doesn't seem to appear in either 1851 or 1841 and so far we simply cannot find him with his parents (he married in 1857) nor can we find his baptism. If anyone comes across a Thomas ELLIS born 1836 in Birmingham with a father Thomas (Spur Maker) I will be eternally grateful! Good luck Janet Northampton Hello List. Joe Howorth here I am still looking for help of any info on my Gt,Gt,Grandfather Robert Howorth and family on the 1851 Census.

I may be well off beam but I always believed it was to do with where the royalist forces pitched camp prior to the minor action with parliamentary forces in the Civil War. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.dodd" <jl.dodd@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Camp Hill > Camp Hill used to be the site of a large brewery (Ansell's). My family > lived there in the early 1900s. If I find out why it was called that, > I'll > let you know > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:53 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Camp Hill > > >> Hello, >> Can anyone tell me why the are known as Camp Hill was so called? >> >> Jan >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Camp Hill used to be the site of a large brewery (Ansell's). My family lived there in the early 1900s. If I find out why it was called that, I'll let you know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: [B'ham] Camp Hill > Hello, > Can anyone tell me why the are known as Camp Hill was so called? > > Jan > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Neil was correct. There was a brewery in Kings Heath near or on the camp hill site. Jackie

Hello Janet, What about Thomas Hales, 15 in 1851 father Samuel, mother Anne, born Birmingham? Remember how some put the "H" in front of words with vowels.... I've found this. Look at the family. Siblings Henry, Hephribah (there's a name for you) , William and Philip. A long shot, just a thought. Kathryne

Tried on genealogist site against 1851 warwicks census no Robert howorth showing up Sorry Julie -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of joe howorth Sent: 11 January 2007 15:24 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] Robert Howorth Hello List. Joe Howorth here I am still looking for help of any info on my Gt,Gt,Grandfather Robert Howorth and family on the 1851 Census. As I have Ancestry.com and there is nothing on 1851,so I was just hoping anyone as Cd's of 1851 to see if I am missing something. I find it strange that I cannot find the Family on the 1851 Census ,as I have them on the 1861 living in Ladywood Birmingham,may be he did not fill in the Census in 1851 but I do not think so as they came around on the night of the Census in those days,so if anyone could do a lookup for me I would be very grateful as it is becoming a brickwall? Regards J.J.Howorth. _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List. Joe Howorth here I am still looking for help of any info on my Gt,Gt,Grandfather Robert Howorth and family on the 1851 Census. As I have Ancestry.com and there is nothing on 1851,so I was just hoping anyone as Cd's of 1851 to see if I am missing something. I find it strange that I cannot find the Family on the 1851 Census ,as I have them on the 1861 living in Ladywood Birmingham,may be he did not fill in the Census in 1851 but I do not think so as they came around on the night of the Census in those days,so if anyone could do a lookup for me I would be very grateful as it is becoming a brickwall? Regards J.J.Howorth.

G'day All Sorry to cross post - I know many of you are on both Birmingham and Warwick Lists. Posting this message on Tony's behalf - Pickard hopes to list the Warwickshire offenders on his web site soon. Please contact Tony off list if you can help- many of the boys were from Birmingham! Cheers Wendy Boland. Co-ordinator Warwickshire 1861 census and FreeREG Transcription Teams Co-admin Warwick List "Hopefully some of you may be able to help me. I am a mature PhD student at Southampton University researching the 4,099 juvenile offenders who passed through Parkhurst Prison over the period 1838-1864. About 250 originated from Warwickshire, quite a large number of whom were eventually transported........my database contains substantial details of these 250, mostly before transportation or release, and I would be delighted to share this information with anyone who has any knowledge, no matter how small, of any of the individual offenders. Some of the information I have is not generally available, except if you visit Parkhurst and trawl through the records. Do please contact me via bac3@soton.ac.uk or tonycocks1@yahoo.com Sincerely Tony Cocks"

Can you find any births with these parents? I guess if you look up the men, you will get her. Can you just look up either of them one at a time. Sometimes if you go to google and just put in something like, Frampton, genealogy, England, you might pull up some family listed there. Try the national archives site and do a name search maybe? robyn.qld.oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Edwards" <jedwac342@rogers.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:36 AM Subject: [B'ham] 1901 Census look-up - Birmingham area - MESSENGER > Hello Listers: > > I wonder if someone who has access, would be so good as to look up some > info from 1901 to clear up a little genealogical problem. > I am researching a Messenger family. Both parents (John and Lucy > Messenger) died relatively young before 1901 and two of their daughters > married according to the Free BMD Index in 1898 and 1900. My problem is I > don't definitely know the names of the spouses. > What I do know is as follows: > Elizabeth Jane Messenger, age abt. 24, married in the Dec. 1898 quarter to > either Arthur Randle or James Frampton. > Her sister Lilian Hannah Messenger, age abt. 20, married in the Sept. 1900 > quarter to either Albert Stanley or George Harry Brudenell. > Elizabeth Jane was an ammunition maker according to the 1891 census (at > the tender age of 17). An interesting occupation. > If someone could find their listings in 1901, I would appreciate it. Both > marriages were in Birmingham. > > I realize I could order Marriage Certificates to obtain this information, > but they are very expensive and I would like to avoid this if > possible. Thank you for any help you can provide. > > Gerry Edwards > Canada > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 9/01/2007 > 1:37 PM > >

I think Elizabeth married Arthur Randle 1901 England Census about Lizzie Randle Name: Lizzie Randle Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Arthur Gender: Female Where born: Birmingham Civil parish: Aston Manor Ecclesiastical parish: Lozells St Paul County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 1 Back of 80 Alma St Occupation: Wheelmaker ( Arthur Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Aston Manor ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 100 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Randle 28 Lizzie Randle 27 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2884; Folio: 38; Page: 15. and Lilian married Albert Stanley 1901 England Census about Albert Stanley Name: Albert Stanley Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Ladywood Spouse's name: Lillian Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Albert Gender: Female Where born: Aston Manor Civil parish: Aston Manor Ecclesiastical parish: Lozells St Paul County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 58 New Street ( next to Alma St Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Aston Manor ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 90 Household Members: Name Age Albert Stanley 23 Lillian Stanley 20 Victor Stanley 3 months Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2884; Folio: 37; Page: 14. HTH Anne On 10 Jan 2007, at 15:36, Gerry Edwards wrote: > Hello Listers: > > I wonder if someone who has access, would be so good as to look up > some info from 1901 to clear up a little genealogical problem. > I am researching a Messenger family. Both parents (John and Lucy > Messenger) died relatively young before 1901 and two of their > daughters > married according to the Free BMD Index in 1898 and 1900. My problem > is I don't definitely know the names of the spouses. > What I do know is as follows: > Elizabeth Jane Messenger, age abt. 24, married in the Dec. 1898 > quarter to either Arthur Randle or James Frampton. > Her sister Lilian Hannah Messenger, age abt. 20, married in the Sept. > 1900 quarter to either Albert Stanley or George Harry Brudenell. > Elizabeth Jane was an ammunition maker according to the 1891 census > (at the tender age of 17). An interesting occupation. > If someone could find their listings in 1901, I would appreciate it. > Both marriages were in Birmingham. > > I realize I could order Marriage Certificates to obtain this > information, but they are very expensive and I would like to avoid > this if > possible. Thank you for any help you can provide. > > Gerry Edwards > Canada > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ann, Please let me know if you come across the name of BIBB in your music hall research will you? Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Jensen" <annjen@ozemail.com.au> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: [B'ham] cost of certificates >I thought I would just comment on the cost of certificates, although I also > avoid buying them and only have two "wrong" ones in my collection. Buying > from Australia is very fast, relatively cheap and easy, and safe with an > online debit card (ie not a credit card). What is horribly expensive is > any > of the pay-for-view sites and I must say a pay-by-the-month subscription > to > some commerical enterprises is much more effective than some of the things > offered by the British Govt. > > Ann Jensen > Currently researching English Music Halls, Managers and Variety Artistes > 1860-1920 > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks to those who responded First to Karen: No I live in the US near Atlanta, Ga 1841 census of "Hamlett of Duddeston - Gopsall St: FOX, Mary b. Bradfield YKS She had 6 children, one was Mary, AGE 28, b. Sheffield, m. David DAY In 1851 Mary lived with daughter Beatrice FOX at 8 Coleman St., Aston I have ASTONS (Beatrice m. Thomas ASTON, (b. 1875 in Kenilworth she at age 58, he 76) My DAYs are: David DAY, b. 1813, Stafford, Bilston m. Mary FOX, b. Sheffield 1813 children of Mary Fox and David Day are: 1. William F. DAY b. 1844, Aston, War 2. Charles E. DAY, b. 1846, Aston 3. James D. DAy b. 1849, Aston 4. William James Day, Grandson, b. 1874 I have some more information about the Days; I just need to track it down. This may be of some help to someone though. Nancy

Many thanks Joy, regards, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Illguth" <joy.illguth@gmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] executions 1932 - 1964 Birmingham > [B'ham] executions 1932 - 1964 Birmingham > > > > Hi Elizabeth & Michael, yes there is more information available > regarding people executed in the British Isles. > Here is the website. Good luck. Joy > > > > http://www.richard.clark32.btinternet.co.uk/contents.html > >

Hi Helen Thanks for your offer Helen. Another lister has found the PIMLEY entry in 1841 census for Parish of St George, County Birmingham STAFFS and Mr PIMLEY is now Henry PIMLEY and both he and his wife are aged 30 years, a he's plater. His wife Mary nee WRIGHT was married to Thomas SAVAGE for 1851 census. Sorry my previous email was not clearly set out, it is better here: Mary SAVAGE in 1861 census (at Pentonville MDX) was aged 53 years, born Birmingham Warwickshire, therefore she was b. c1808. At her marriage to Thomas SAVAGE in on 12th Jan 1851 the certificate says she is of full age and her father as John WRIGHT, upholsterer. Also she is named as Mary PIMLEY, a widow - no maiden name given. Looking for her birth. TIA Glenys in South OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Rolph" <hrolph@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] WRIGHT, John and dau. Mary b. c1808 > Glenys, hello, > > Can you provide some more information please?, e.g. > Mary's married name, when she was married and other > info. from the 1861 census and any other names, ages > or places of birth. > > Cheers, Helen in chilly France > > > > --- Glenys Savage <glenys.savage@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> Hi Listers >> >> I'm new to this List and hoping SKS can help me find >> the birth of Mary WRIGHT, born Birmingham, the >> daughter of John WRIGHT. Her marriage cert. gives >> this much and 1861 census (MDX) confirms it. >> >> Many thanks, in advance. >> >> Glenys >> in South OZ >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > >

Speaking of problems with the list....I don't know how I got on it as it's outside my area of interest. But it has been so interesting that I have stayed....I belong to a lot of other lists so no doubt there's an overlap. My question is whether there is a digest version because I tend to use the bleep announcing new messages during the day as an excuse to get away from my real work Ann Jensen Music Halls etc > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 9/01/2007 > >

Hello Listers: I wonder if someone who has access, would be so good as to look up some info from 1901 to clear up a little genealogical problem. I am researching a Messenger family. Both parents (John and Lucy Messenger) died relatively young before 1901 and two of their daughters married according to the Free BMD Index in 1898 and 1900. My problem is I don't definitely know the names of the spouses. What I do know is as follows: Elizabeth Jane Messenger, age abt. 24, married in the Dec. 1898 quarter to either Arthur Randle or James Frampton. Her sister Lilian Hannah Messenger, age abt. 20, married in the Sept. 1900 quarter to either Albert Stanley or George Harry Brudenell. Elizabeth Jane was an ammunition maker according to the 1891 census (at the tender age of 17). An interesting occupation. If someone could find their listings in 1901, I would appreciate it. Both marriages were in Birmingham. I realize I could order Marriage Certificates to obtain this information, but they are very expensive and I would like to avoid this if possible. Thank you for any help you can provide. Gerry Edwards Canada

I thought I would just comment on the cost of certificates, although I also avoid buying them and only have two "wrong" ones in my collection. Buying from Australia is very fast, relatively cheap and easy, and safe with an online debit card (ie not a credit card). What is horribly expensive is any of the pay-for-view sites and I must say a pay-by-the-month subscription to some commerical enterprises is much more effective than some of the things offered by the British Govt. Ann Jensen Currently researching English Music Halls, Managers and Variety Artistes 1860-1920