Hi I thought this could be their marriage :) Marriages Jun 1841 Howarth Robert Bury 21 136 SMETHURST Betty Bury 21 136 I read somewhere there are sheets in the 1851 census that are illegible. I'm thinking Joe's family might be on one of those sheets. I've tried searching just for the children, I couldn't find them either. Bye for now Jill

Hello list Breweries and Camp Hill in living memory i.e. mine. The closest large brewery to Camp Hill was Dares in Highgate on Belgrave Road approximately where the Central Mosque is now, about three quarters of a mile from Camp Hill , this brewery closed around 1958. Cape Hill was where Mitchells and Butlers had their brewery this is almost in Smethwick about five miles from Camp Hill .The brewery closed around two years ago. Ansells brewery was close to Aston Cross three miles from Camp Hill and closed twenty five years ago (aprox). The old Pear Tree in Kings Heath not to be confused in location with the new one did have a brewery to its rear, I think but may be wrong the brewery closed in the 1920s . This would be three miles from Camp Hill. When I were a lad (Hovis ad) there were several pubs on Camp Hill including The Ship, The Camp and The Brewer and Baker the latter now stands almost in the middle of a large road island, this in the fifties used to be in a side road and at that time I believe it brewed its own beer. Camp Hill as rightly described acquired its name from being the sight in 1642 where Prince Rupert camped before riding into Birmingham (Birmingham then being Deritend through Digbeth to the High Street) setting fire and tearing down houses and workshops and killing residents because they supported the parliamentarians and made weapons for them . My Grandad still moans about it now, I myself mourn the the disappearance of all those pubs and breweries and lay awake at night worrying at which one might by next, and as a historian see it as my duty to visit as many of the remainder as possible and mentally record their architecture furniture and the flavour of their wares (my wife does'nt understand me) but I persist against her unreasonable attitude in the name of history. all the best for the new year. jim sword _________________________________________________________________ Find Love This New Year With match.com! http://msnuk.match.com

Hi Graham I presume you have your gt grandmother's birth date from family history? Her birth cert will give her mother's name if you're desperate! William Charles Jarvis birth is registered as Dec 1855 6b/495 at Walsall. Laura Bowen appears as an "inmate" of the Walton Rd Major Lester's Girls Home - a scholar - in 1881. She was born in B'ham. according to the census. There is a birth in Coventry June 1867. I wonder if that indicates her mother might have remarried after Elizabeth's birth and before Laura's? More interesting, I think, might be to follow the Laura BOWN shown on the 1881 aged 12. She is shown with a mother Harriet and various siblings. I'd love a look at the original census for this entry as the 3 Boarders are shown as JEVONS. Might that be a corruption of Jarvis? A Look up for the 1871 census for Laura Bowen or Bown born +/-1867 B'ham should be useful as Elizabeth might be shown with the family. You would soon tell if there has been a remarriage! Sometimes you just have to go all around the problem to get the answers! Sorry I don't have the census info! Marlene Graham Stanley wrote: > I am searching for details of my gt grandmother's family who I think were called BOWEN. > Her name was Elizabeth and she "married" William Charles Jarvis sometime before ( I hope) the birth of my granny in Aston on 17 May 1879. I can't find their marriage certificate on FreeBMD and I suppose it is possible that they never married officially. > The family are living at 55 Staniforth St, Aston, B'ham in 1881 and Elizabeth gives her birthplace as B'ham and from her age would have been born around 1860/1861. By 1891 they have moved to Walsall (her husband's birthplace) and have been joined by her unmarried sister, Laura BOWEN, also born in B'ham, around 1869/1870. Laura's presence is my only clue as to Elizabeth's maiden name. > Unfortunately, I have not been able to trace either of the girls in the earlier census returns or to find a birth certificate for them on FreeBMD. I did find an Elizabeth Bowers in the 1861 census but from FreeBMD there was an Elizabeth Bowers born in 1860, so this information on the census is probably not a transcription error. > I appreciate that BOWEN is a fairly common name in B'ham but wondered if anyone can help me find the family of Elizabeth and Laura? > Best wishes > Graham > Twickenham > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Kathryne Thanks for your reply. I will try more name variants. HALES seems a good idea. I don't think this is him, though, as he says his father is Thomas. Thanks again Janet -----Original Message----- Hello Janet, What about Thomas Hales, 15 in 1851 father Samuel, mother Anne, born Birmingham? Remember how some put the "H" in front of words with vowels.... I've found this. Look at the family. Siblings Henry, Hephribah (there's a name for you) , William and Philip. A long shot, just a thought. Kathryne _____________________________________________

As to lost family i am still searching for Roberrt LEES .b c1850 on later cencus states Holywood .Warks as place of birth, i cannot find him on 1871 or earlier ones and cannot find a birth . He married in Birm in 1873. not found his death yet either . i have tried variations of the surname. any suggestions ?? Jean -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Janet Ellis Sent: 11 January 2007 22:18 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Robert Howorth Hello Joe I know you are disappointed that your family cannot be found in 1851. Don't let this lack of information stop you from finding your Robert's origins as you know where he was born from later censuses. I have searched for you on Ancestry and on the tri county disk with no luck. We in a worse position with our Thomas ELLIS as he simply doesn't seem to appear in either 1851 or 1841 and so far we simply cannot find him with his parents (he married in 1857) nor can we find his baptism. If anyone comes across a Thomas ELLIS born 1836 in Birmingham with a father Thomas (Spur Maker) I will be eternally grateful!

Hi Joe As you have Ancestry, why don't you publish the names of the whole family in 1861 so that those who have Ancestry can double check the names & places of birth of the wife and the children??? BEFORE you do that check www.freebmd for births & deaths of any of the children.? I have just done that and interestingly, between 1851 & 1861, there isn't a single registration of any birth, death or marriage in Warwickshire! Between 1861 & 1871 there are currently only 2 births, 2 marriages and the death of an infant Daniel born 1868 and died 1869. Are they part of your family? With respect, I suspect that there is a difficulty with the research you have done which eventually catches up with you. For example - is it possible that Robert remarried after the death of his first wife.? Most people "know" what they are looking for in 1901 as it's usually grandparents or (great) great grandparents. I'd suggest you go back to that entry and check carefully everyone entered on that household. Follow each member backwards to see if you can find any discrepancies. I am sure if others here know you are searching for in 1901 they will be more than happy to help you check backwards _ we all need an editor! Best of luck! Sorry I don't have Ancestry! Marlene joe howorth wrote: > Hello List. > Joe Howorth here I am still looking for help of any info > on my Gt,Gt,Grandfather Robert Howorth and family on the 1851 Census. > As I have Ancestry.com and there is nothing on 1851,so I was just hoping anyone as Cd's of 1851 to see if I am missing something. > I find it strange that I cannot find the Family on the 1851 Census ,as I have them on the 1861 living in Ladywood Birmingham,may be he did not fill in the Census in 1851 but > I do not think so as they came around on the night of the Census in those days,so if anyone could do a lookup for me > I would be very grateful as it is becoming a brickwall? > Regards J.J.Howorth. > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Try searching on just Holywood then go through the entries. My LOUD family is transcribed in the 1851 census as Shurd; a Needham relative is in there as Mudham. Anne in Aurora IL

Hi I was trying to help Joe too. It's nice to know no one else can find him either, I feel so much better now :) This is what I did find; 1861 Census Cottage Street, Birmingham Warwickshire Robert Howarth abt 1815 Bury, Lancashire, England Head, Stonemason Betty Howarth abt 1811 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Wife *Sarah Ann Howarth abt 1842 Birmingham Daughter Robert Howarth abt 1844 Birmingham Son John Howarth abt 1846 Birmingham Son *Daniel Howarth abt 1847 Birmingham Son Mary Howarth abt 1850 Wolverhampton Marriages Dec 1868 Elkington George Birmingham 6d 160 HOWARD Sarah Ann Birmingham 6d 160 1871 Census 2 Hall Street, Birmingham Warwickshire George Elkington abt 1844 Yardley, Worcestershire, England Head *Sarah Ann Elkington abt 1842 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Robert Timothy Elkington abt 1869 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Mary Grace Elkington abt 1871 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Betty Howorth abt 1811 Halifax, Yorkshire, England Grandmother, Grandma John Howorth abt 1846 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Brother-in-law Robert Howorth abt 1844 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Brother-in-law 1871 Census Birmingham Warwickshire *Daniel Howorth abt 1847 Bham, Warwickshire, England Head Amelia Howorth abt 1848 Bham, Warwickshire, England Wife Amelia Howorth abt 1870 Bham, Warwickshire, England Daughter

Hello Graham Now you mention it I do remember your family! I just saw JARVIS in the postings and responded without thinking about the wider issues - its great you have made good progress. Best wishes Ros ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Stanley" <graham_stanley@tiscali.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Elizabeth and Laura BOWEN > Ros > You are so right about that. So right that in fact it was you who found my > granny in the 1891 census, indexed on Ancestry as Pricilla JAMES! > I am fortunate enough to be fairly well sorted on the Jarvis side of the > family now, thanks to you. Nearly a year later though, I am still trying > to > get a breakthrough on her mother's family, the BOWENs. > Best wishes > Graham > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ros Jarvis" <harbro.town@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Elizabeth and Laura BOWEN > > >>I find JARVIS is quite often misspelled James (and variations) in >> transcriptions - if that's any help >> >> Ros (Jarvis) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Elizabeth and Laura BOWEN >> >> >>> Hi Graham >>> I presume you have your gt grandmother's birth date from family history? >>> Her birth cert will give her mother's name if you're desperate! >>> William Charles Jarvis birth is registered as Dec 1855 6b/495 at >>> Walsall. >>> Laura Bowen appears as an "inmate" of the Walton Rd Major Lester's Girls >>> Home - a scholar - in 1881. She was born in B'ham. according to the >>> census. There is a birth in Coventry June 1867. I wonder if that >>> indicates her mother might have remarried after Elizabeth's birth and >>> before Laura's? >>> More interesting, I think, might be to follow the Laura BOWN shown on >>> the 1881 aged 12. She is shown with a mother Harriet and various >>> siblings. I'd love a look at the original census for this entry as the >>> 3 Boarders are shown as JEVONS. Might that be a corruption of Jarvis? >>> A Look up for the 1871 census for Laura Bowen or Bown born +/-1867 B'ham >>> should be useful as Elizabeth might be shown with the family. You would >>> soon tell if there has been a remarriage! >>> Sometimes you just have to go all around the problem to get the answers! >>> Sorry I don't have the census info! >>> Marlene >>> >>> >>> Graham Stanley wrote: >>>> I am searching for details of my gt grandmother's family who I think >>>> were >>>> called BOWEN. >>>> Her name was Elizabeth and she "married" William Charles Jarvis >>>> sometime >>>> before ( I hope) the birth of my granny in Aston on 17 May 1879. I >>>> can't >>>> find their marriage certificate on FreeBMD and I suppose it is possible >>>> that they never married officially. >>>> The family are living at 55 Staniforth St, Aston, B'ham in 1881 and >>>> Elizabeth gives her birthplace as B'ham and from her age would have >>>> been >>>> born around 1860/1861. By 1891 they have moved to Walsall (her >>>> husband's >>>> birthplace) and have been joined by her unmarried sister, Laura BOWEN, >>>> also born in B'ham, around 1869/1870. Laura's presence is my only clue >>>> as >>>> to Elizabeth's maiden name. >>>> Unfortunately, I have not been able to trace either of the girls in the >>>> earlier census returns or to find a birth certificate for them on >>>> FreeBMD. I did find an Elizabeth Bowers in the 1861 census but from >>>> FreeBMD there was an Elizabeth Bowers born in 1860, so this information >>>> on the census is probably not a transcription error. >>>> I appreciate that BOWEN is a fairly common name in B'ham but wondered >>>> if >>>> anyone can help me find the family of Elizabeth and Laura? >>>> Best wishes >>>> Graham >>>> Twickenham >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>>> http://www.bham.de/ >>>> >>>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ros You are so right about that. So right that in fact it was you who found my granny in the 1891 census, indexed on Ancestry as Pricilla JAMES! I am fortunate enough to be fairly well sorted on the Jarvis side of the family now, thanks to you. Nearly a year later though, I am still trying to get a breakthrough on her mother's family, the BOWENs. Best wishes Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ros Jarvis" <harbro.town@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Elizabeth and Laura BOWEN >I find JARVIS is quite often misspelled James (and variations) in > transcriptions - if that's any help > > Ros (Jarvis) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Elizabeth and Laura BOWEN > > >> Hi Graham >> I presume you have your gt grandmother's birth date from family history? >> Her birth cert will give her mother's name if you're desperate! >> William Charles Jarvis birth is registered as Dec 1855 6b/495 at >> Walsall. >> Laura Bowen appears as an "inmate" of the Walton Rd Major Lester's Girls >> Home - a scholar - in 1881. She was born in B'ham. according to the >> census. There is a birth in Coventry June 1867. I wonder if that >> indicates her mother might have remarried after Elizabeth's birth and >> before Laura's? >> More interesting, I think, might be to follow the Laura BOWN shown on >> the 1881 aged 12. She is shown with a mother Harriet and various >> siblings. I'd love a look at the original census for this entry as the >> 3 Boarders are shown as JEVONS. Might that be a corruption of Jarvis? >> A Look up for the 1871 census for Laura Bowen or Bown born +/-1867 B'ham >> should be useful as Elizabeth might be shown with the family. You would >> soon tell if there has been a remarriage! >> Sometimes you just have to go all around the problem to get the answers! >> Sorry I don't have the census info! >> Marlene >> >> >> Graham Stanley wrote: >>> I am searching for details of my gt grandmother's family who I think >>> were >>> called BOWEN. >>> Her name was Elizabeth and she "married" William Charles Jarvis sometime >>> before ( I hope) the birth of my granny in Aston on 17 May 1879. I can't >>> find their marriage certificate on FreeBMD and I suppose it is possible >>> that they never married officially. >>> The family are living at 55 Staniforth St, Aston, B'ham in 1881 and >>> Elizabeth gives her birthplace as B'ham and from her age would have been >>> born around 1860/1861. By 1891 they have moved to Walsall (her husband's >>> birthplace) and have been joined by her unmarried sister, Laura BOWEN, >>> also born in B'ham, around 1869/1870. Laura's presence is my only clue >>> as >>> to Elizabeth's maiden name. >>> Unfortunately, I have not been able to trace either of the girls in the >>> earlier census returns or to find a birth certificate for them on >>> FreeBMD. I did find an Elizabeth Bowers in the 1861 census but from >>> FreeBMD there was an Elizabeth Bowers born in 1860, so this information >>> on the census is probably not a transcription error. >>> I appreciate that BOWEN is a fairly common name in B'ham but wondered if >>> anyone can help me find the family of Elizabeth and Laura? >>> Best wishes >>> Graham >>> Twickenham >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I find JARVIS is quite often misspelled James (and variations) in transcriptions - if that's any help Ros (Jarvis) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Elizabeth and Laura BOWEN > Hi Graham > I presume you have your gt grandmother's birth date from family history? > Her birth cert will give her mother's name if you're desperate! > William Charles Jarvis birth is registered as Dec 1855 6b/495 at Walsall. > Laura Bowen appears as an "inmate" of the Walton Rd Major Lester's Girls > Home - a scholar - in 1881. She was born in B'ham. according to the > census. There is a birth in Coventry June 1867. I wonder if that > indicates her mother might have remarried after Elizabeth's birth and > before Laura's? > More interesting, I think, might be to follow the Laura BOWN shown on > the 1881 aged 12. She is shown with a mother Harriet and various > siblings. I'd love a look at the original census for this entry as the > 3 Boarders are shown as JEVONS. Might that be a corruption of Jarvis? > A Look up for the 1871 census for Laura Bowen or Bown born +/-1867 B'ham > should be useful as Elizabeth might be shown with the family. You would > soon tell if there has been a remarriage! > Sometimes you just have to go all around the problem to get the answers! > Sorry I don't have the census info! > Marlene > > > Graham Stanley wrote: >> I am searching for details of my gt grandmother's family who I think were >> called BOWEN. >> Her name was Elizabeth and she "married" William Charles Jarvis sometime >> before ( I hope) the birth of my granny in Aston on 17 May 1879. I can't >> find their marriage certificate on FreeBMD and I suppose it is possible >> that they never married officially. >> The family are living at 55 Staniforth St, Aston, B'ham in 1881 and >> Elizabeth gives her birthplace as B'ham and from her age would have been >> born around 1860/1861. By 1891 they have moved to Walsall (her husband's >> birthplace) and have been joined by her unmarried sister, Laura BOWEN, >> also born in B'ham, around 1869/1870. Laura's presence is my only clue as >> to Elizabeth's maiden name. >> Unfortunately, I have not been able to trace either of the girls in the >> earlier census returns or to find a birth certificate for them on >> FreeBMD. I did find an Elizabeth Bowers in the 1861 census but from >> FreeBMD there was an Elizabeth Bowers born in 1860, so this information >> on the census is probably not a transcription error. >> I appreciate that BOWEN is a fairly common name in B'ham but wondered if >> anyone can help me find the family of Elizabeth and Laura? >> Best wishes >> Graham >> Twickenham >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well you try all avenues. Maybe they lithped. did you try Ellith? Or Allis? robyn,qld,oz ---- Janet Ellis <janet@ellisat16.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Joe > > I know you are disappointed that your family cannot be found in 1851. > Don't let this lack of information stop you from finding your Robert's > origins as you know where he was born from later censuses. I have > searched for you on Ancestry and on the tri county disk with no luck. > > We in a worse position with our Thomas ELLIS as he simply doesn't seem > to appear in either 1851 or 1841 and so far we simply cannot find him > with his parents (he married in 1857) nor can we find his baptism. > > If anyone comes across a Thomas ELLIS born 1836 in Birmingham with a > father Thomas (Spur Maker) I will be eternally grateful! > > Good luck > > Janet > Northampton > > Hello List. > Joe Howorth here I am still looking for help of any info > on my Gt,Gt,Grandfather Robert Howorth and family on the 1851 Census. > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don't forget that the current Camp Hill School was originally located at Camp Hill and moved 50 years ago to Kings Heath, retaining its name. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Newman" <jon.newman@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Camp Hill > Rob is quite right, Prince Rupert camped here with the Royallist forces in > 1642. > Previously it was Kemps Hill. > Please do not confuse it with Camp Hill Grammar School which is now in > Kings > Heath. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Rob > Williams > Sent: 11 January 2007 22:06 > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Camp Hill > > > I may be well off beam but I always believed it was to do with where the > royalist forces pitched camp prior to the minor action with parliamentary > forces in the Civil War. > > > Rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "j.dodd" <jl.dodd@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:00 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Camp Hill > > >> Camp Hill used to be the site of a large brewery (Ansell's). My family >> lived there in the early 1900s. If I find out why it was called that, >> I'll >> let you know >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Neil Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:53 PM >> Subject: [B'ham] Camp Hill >> >> >>> Hello, >>> Can anyone tell me why the are known as Camp Hill was so called? >>> >>> Jan >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 11/01/2007 > 15:33 > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Marlene Thank you very much for the "Bown" suggestion. I hadn't come across that name before and it sounded like it might well be a mistranscription. However, I have had a look on FreeBMD and found Laura Emma BOWN's birth cert Dec 1868 B'ham, so it looks like that the entry you found really is Bown and not Bowen. Thanks for looking. Best wishes Graham Twickenham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Elizabeth and Laura BOWEN > Hi Graham > I presume you have your gt grandmother's birth date from family history? > Her birth cert will give her mother's name if you're desperate! > William Charles Jarvis birth is registered as Dec 1855 6b/495 at Walsall. > Laura Bowen appears as an "inmate" of the Walton Rd Major Lester's Girls > Home - a scholar - in 1881. She was born in B'ham. according to the > census. There is a birth in Coventry June 1867. I wonder if that > indicates her mother might have remarried after Elizabeth's birth and > before Laura's? > More interesting, I think, might be to follow the Laura BOWN shown on > the 1881 aged 12. She is shown with a mother Harriet and various > siblings. I'd love a look at the original census for this entry as the > 3 Boarders are shown as JEVONS. Might that be a corruption of Jarvis? > A Look up for the 1871 census for Laura Bowen or Bown born +/-1867 B'ham > should be useful as Elizabeth might be shown with the family. You would > soon tell if there has been a remarriage! > Sometimes you just have to go all around the problem to get the answers! > Sorry I don't have the census info! > Marlene > > > Graham Stanley wrote: >> I am searching for details of my gt grandmother's family who I think were >> called BOWEN. >> Her name was Elizabeth and she "married" William Charles Jarvis sometime >> before ( I hope) the birth of my granny in Aston on 17 May 1879. I can't >> find their marriage certificate on FreeBMD and I suppose it is possible >> that they never married officially. >> The family are living at 55 Staniforth St, Aston, B'ham in 1881 and >> Elizabeth gives her birthplace as B'ham and from her age would have been >> born around 1860/1861. By 1891 they have moved to Walsall (her husband's >> birthplace) and have been joined by her unmarried sister, Laura BOWEN, >> also born in B'ham, around 1869/1870. Laura's presence is my only clue as >> to Elizabeth's maiden name. >> Unfortunately, I have not been able to trace either of the girls in the >> earlier census returns or to find a birth certificate for them on >> FreeBMD. I did find an Elizabeth Bowers in the 1861 census but from >> FreeBMD there was an Elizabeth Bowers born in 1860, so this information >> on the census is probably not a transcription error. >> I appreciate that BOWEN is a fairly common name in B'ham but wondered if >> anyone can help me find the family of Elizabeth and Laura? >> Best wishes >> Graham >> Twickenham >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 12 Jan, <Truffles46@aol.com> wrote: > Neil was correct. There was a brewery in Kings Heath near or on the camp > hill site. A Century of Britain's Breweries has: Birmingham Breweries Ltd, King's Heath Brewery. Reg Mar 1896 to acquire Frederick Everitt, t/as Isaac Bates, King's Heath Brewery; White & Lake, West End Brewery, Bristol St, Edgbaston, and Albert henson, East End Brewery, Nechells, with a total of 136 public houses. Brewing ceased 1900. There was also Manasseh Phillips, Middleton Road, King's Heath (ceased 1920). So there we have two candidates, but neither of them were Ansells, which was in Aston, where there seems to have been about a dozen! > Jackie -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

I am searching for details of my gt grandmother's family who I think were called BOWEN. Her name was Elizabeth and she "married" William Charles Jarvis sometime before ( I hope) the birth of my granny in Aston on 17 May 1879. I can't find their marriage certificate on FreeBMD and I suppose it is possible that they never married officially. The family are living at 55 Staniforth St, Aston, B'ham in 1881 and Elizabeth gives her birthplace as B'ham and from her age would have been born around 1860/1861. By 1891 they have moved to Walsall (her husband's birthplace) and have been joined by her unmarried sister, Laura BOWEN, also born in B'ham, around 1869/1870. Laura's presence is my only clue as to Elizabeth's maiden name. Unfortunately, I have not been able to trace either of the girls in the earlier census returns or to find a birth certificate for them on FreeBMD. I did find an Elizabeth Bowers in the 1861 census but from FreeBMD there was an Elizabeth Bowers born in 1860, so this information on the census is probably not a transcription error. I appreciate that BOWEN is a fairly common name in B'ham but wondered if anyone can help me find the family of Elizabeth and Laura? Best wishes Graham Twickenham

Hello, Can anyone tell me why the are known as Camp Hill was so called? Jan

G'day JJ, Have you tried using "soundex" to find your relatives in 1851.. The collectors sometimes spelled the names in bizarre ways or perhaps they were transcribed incorrectly. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe howorth" <jh004e1517@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:23 AM Subject: [B'ham] Robert Howorth > Hello List. > Joe Howorth here I am still looking for help of any info > on my Gt,Gt,Grandfather Robert Howorth and family on the 1851 Census. > As I have Ancestry.com and there is nothing on 1851,so I was just hoping > anyone as Cd's of 1851 to see if I am missing something. > I find it strange that I cannot find the Family on the 1851 Census ,as I > have them on the 1861 living in Ladywood Birmingham,may be he did not fill > in the Census in 1851 but > I do not think so as they came around on the night of the Census in those > days,so if anyone could do a lookup for me > I would be very grateful as it is becoming a brickwall? > Regards J.J.Howorth. > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Camp Hill was known as Kemp's Hill in 1643 at the time that the Ship Inn (now demolished) was being used as Prince Rupert's HQ. Regards, Allan Halstead

Hello All, Quite a few of my MILLS and CUTLER families lived in Phillips Street in the 1880's - 1900, which church would they most likely use for baptisms and marriages? Are St. Peter/ St. Paul, Aston or St. Stephen's the most likely? The IGI now has a 10 year coverage of St. Nicholas and one of the children born in 1887 (Elizabeth MILLS) was baptized there though the address at the time may have been Lionell St (as on the 1881 census)plus an older child born 1871 who may have been born in Hatchett St was baptized at St. Stephen's (again some St. Stephen's now on the IGI). Regards, Judy