Hi Jan, Thanks so much for your replies to my question. As for Gordon, I think he may have picked up the information for Mary Gromore from my input. I have not been in touch with him personally, so would love to have his e-mail address. I have been in contact with a relative of his, though. Do you think that a Trade Directory might have a mention of Mary Ann's father if he was a Pawnbroker? My latest move is to order the birth certificate of the youngest child, Marian Adams (also known as Minnie), to see what the mother's name on that might be. As for looking for a death cert for Mary Ann Adams, I have tried that but have not come up with the right person as yet - there are so many of them, although the one I thought would be her because it was the correct age, did not have a husband named James! Again, very many thanks for taking the time to look. Patricia Ontario, Canada >From: "Neil Hearn" <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> >Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [B'ham] ADAMS, Herbert c1850 >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:38:14 +1100 > >G'day again Patricia, > Have had a little look around. There are >lots >of Gromans, a few Graumans but, as you say, only one Gromore, to be found. > There is a Gordon on the Genes Reunited site to whom I've sent a >message. >I'll contact you if he replies. His tree contains MaryAnn Gromore, born >1831 >in Eaton Upon Tern, Tewkesbury. >Cheers!!! >Jan >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Patricia Adams" <granduba@msn.com> >To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:56 PM >Subject: [B'ham] ADAMS, Herbert c1850 > > > > > > > I also have the marriage certificate for his > > father, > > James Adams (Police Officer on that cert.) and Mary Ann GROMORE - Father > > of > > Mary Ann is Nathan GROMORE, Pawnbroker, and father of James, is James. > > Mary Ann's address at the time of marriage was given as Vyse Street, > > which > > according to today's maps is close to the Jewelry Quarter. However, the > > marriage was in Dec of 1855, St. John's, Birmingham, a few years after > > Herbert was born. > > > > > Patricia > > Ontario, Canada > > > _________________________________________________________________ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx

Hi Anne, I thought would look at the marriage under reference you gave just in case, there was a link to help with my enquiry. My application for the 1874 marriage certificate based on the FREE BMD listings for Charles HARRIS - Sarah Ann PRITCHETT was unsuccessful. Kenneth. This is the Registrar's reply: "Thank you for your application for a marriage certificate in respect of Charles HARRIS and Sarah Ann PRITCHETT, March Quarter 1874. I have traced the entry to which you refer, but regret from the information given by you this does not appear to be the entry you require; as although they married on the same day, at the same place, they did not marry each other. There can be up to five marriage entries on each page of the General Register Office Index.". ====================================================== Hi Kenneth. Elusive marriage? No problem. >From Free BMD Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1874 (>99%) Belfield Mary Ann Birmingham 6d7 CAPEWELL Samuel David Birmingham 6d7 Harris Charles Birmingham 6d7 Pritchett Sarah Ann Birmingham 6d7 Do you have census details for this family? HTH Anne ========================================= > I am researching a HARRIS family in Harborne, Birmingham. I would be > delighted to know if anyone knows of any connections. Also, > suggestions to obtaining > the elusive marriage certificate from .circa 1875 > > Charles Harris b 1847 Harborne (believed married Mary Julia Pritchett > b 1847 > but despite extensive searches I have been unable find the marriage > details). > Three children Charles b 1875, Mary Eliz b 1879 and.......... > > Francis Henry Harris born 1876 Harborne married 1899 to Jane Maria > Fisher. > Five children - Francis b 1901, Olive, Florence, Gladys and Mary > Elizabeth b > 1914 West Bromwich. > > Thank you. > > Kenneth

Hi - it has been a while since I last posted to this list, and I am still banging my head on a large brick wall! My husbands great-grandfather was Herbert ADAMS, bc 1850/51 in Aston Magna, then located in Gloucestershire. He was the son of James ADAMS of Stretton-on Fosse, which I believe was then in Worcestershire. My problem is that after a few years of trying, I still have not found Herbert's birth registration, and so am unable to find out who his mother was. I have his marriage certificate to Annie Teear in 1880 and his death certificate from 1901. On the 1861 census, RG 9/2152/80/13 - 62 Church St, Birmingham, St. Martin, he is recorded as 9 years old - 5 years older than his sister Elizabeth. I also have the marriage certificate for his father, James Adams (Police Officer on that cert.) and Mary Ann GROMORE - Father of Mary Ann is Nathan GROMORE, Pawnbroker, and father of James, is James. Mary Ann's address at the time of marriage was given as Vyse Street, which according to today's maps is close to the Jewelry Quarter. However, the marriage was in Dec of 1855, St. John's, Birmingham, a few years after Herbert was born. Another confusing point is that on the birth certificate of Herbert's younger brother James William ADAMS, who was born in 1859, the mother's name is spelled as Mary Ann GROUMAN, but I just cannot seem to locate anyone by either of those names - GROMORE or GROUMAN. Another puzzle; on the 1861 census, Mary Ann's birthplace was recorded as Chippenham, Wiltshire, and her age as 28. On the 1871 census, (James was now a Cab Proprietor) Mary was recorded as 36 and with a birth place of Eaton-upon-Tern, Salop. So can I assume that there were two Mary's? Was James previously married, even though his status at the time of his marriage to Mary Ann was listed as "Bachelor", or was Herbert born out of wedlock? James had another wife at the time of the 1881 census - he married Esther Pumphrey, widow, in 1876. I have ordered a number of certificates over the last while, but have still remained unsuccessful in my search. I would be so very grateful for any suggestions on what I might try next! Very many thanks for 'listening' to my long and confusing story! Patricia Ontario, Canada _________________________________________________________________ Buy what you want when you want it on Sympatico / MSN Shopping http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca/content/shp/?ctId=2,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=081805

Well, MY relations on the other side of the family...and I quote....'OWR side of the famileee were all engineeeers', always told to me in a lah de dah voice. OWR lot, you see, were just bricklayers from Birmingham...sad. Well, I checked, sorry to say, they were mostly MYners, from Cornwall, and came to Oz and ended up bushmen and blacksmiths. Ah, the joys of on line census indexes. Cornwall, for them, was a disaster because it was all on line. Your lot could have been imprisoned for political reasons. You could try a name search on national archives, they might be listed.......so the money they had may have been their own......yeah right.....robyndehood. qld. oz. ---- Jo Raine <jo.raine@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Charles KNOWLES was my 3xggfather. He was (I think) the son of John KNOWLES > and Ruth born in Dudley, Worcestershire around 1820-22. He married Eliza > BUTCHER in the JuneQ of 1845. And they had 4 sons - William Henry (my > 2xggf), Richard, John and Joseph. > > Charles appears to have spent the 1871 and 1881 censuses in prison - 1871 in > Woking,Surrey listed as an Invalid Convict and in 1881 he is in Parkhurst on > the Isle of Wight. Also listed in the 1881 Census for Parkhurst is a Joseph > Knowles who may well be his son, Joseph. Adding to the jailbird contingent > for this lot, his other son, Richard appears to be in Pentonville in 1881. > > Does anyone have any idea just what they were up to - neither Pentonville or > Parkhurst were 'local' prisons so it must have been something fairly > serious. Is there an index to the local / Birmingham papers of the time > that could point me in the right direction. > > Just to show the validity of family legends. My mother always thought the > Knowles were the 'posh' part of the family and came from money. It was quite > amusing to tell her that if they did, it might not have been their's in the > first place... > > > > Jo Raine > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I'm seeking descendants of Benjamin and Betty Spencer, married around 1799. Would also be interested for information on Ben's siblings.....Robert and Jane. All three were baptised in Aston Juxta Birmingham in 1781, 1782 and 1783. Jan

Any possibility you might have an Emily EXON, whose maiden name might have been LEES because she had a niece that was living with her in 1901 by the name of Olive LEES - Emily ran a pubhouse Judy BC Canada ----Original Message Follows---- From: alan smith <alandpol@dircon.co.uk> Reply-To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: [B'ham] Lees Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:03:36 +0000 Maybe when you are looking for LEES you will come across a family of that name in the Handsworth or Hockley area from around 1841. They were clockmakers and seem to have originated in Nineveh. There is a whole colony of clockmakers in that area and I can find no particular reason why that should be so does anyone know why they have should have sprung from there. regards alan smith _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA

Charles KNOWLES was my 3xggfather. He was (I think) the son of John KNOWLES and Ruth born in Dudley, Worcestershire around 1820-22. He married Eliza BUTCHER in the JuneQ of 1845. And they had 4 sons - William Henry (my 2xggf), Richard, John and Joseph. Charles appears to have spent the 1871 and 1881 censuses in prison - 1871 in Woking,Surrey listed as an Invalid Convict and in 1881 he is in Parkhurst on the Isle of Wight. Also listed in the 1881 Census for Parkhurst is a Joseph Knowles who may well be his son, Joseph. Adding to the jailbird contingent for this lot, his other son, Richard appears to be in Pentonville in 1881. Does anyone have any idea just what they were up to - neither Pentonville or Parkhurst were 'local' prisons so it must have been something fairly serious. Is there an index to the local / Birmingham papers of the time that could point me in the right direction. Just to show the validity of family legends. My mother always thought the Knowles were the 'posh' part of the family and came from money. It was quite amusing to tell her that if they did, it might not have been their's in the first place... Jo Raine

Jean, My uncles parents were Charles John LEES b 1878 and Alice Ellen BR$OADWAY his parents Thomas Charles LEES and Sarah Ann KENDRICK Look out for them Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Lees" <jean.lees@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES >I don't know wether there is a connection Ken as we have not got any >further > back than 1871.We know his fathers name was Robert also.But no occupation > as > he was dead when Roberrt married in 1873. > > Jean > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kenneth > William Bibb > Sent: 15 January 2007 10:32 > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES > > > Jean > I have LEES in my family, Charles LEES born abt 1804 mar Mary DEANE 1827 > is > there a connection please? > > Ken B > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Lees" <jean.lees@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:32 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES > > >> Hi Nivard and others thank you for your reply's. >> >> Robert LEES 21yrs married Dinah FLOWERS 1873 fathers name Robert .father >> stated as deceased.No mention of a middle name. >> >> witnesses at the marriage were Elijah and Mary FARNDON . >> >> This has been a brick wall for a long time now. >> >> I have all family info from 1873 onwards . >> >> Jean >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Nivard >> Ovington >> Sent: 14 January 2007 10:25 >> To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks >> >> >> Hi again >> >> If you have the marriage details why not let us know , his father with >> occupation may enable us to find him in earlier census. >> >> Did he have a middle name? who were the witnesses? >> >> Let us know, it may be whats needed to locate him. >> >> Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >> >> >>> Thanks yes i have this and further on .but just cannot trace him before >>> his >>> marriage. >>> >>> jean >> >> <snip> >> >>> Hi Jean >>> >>> Any use ? >>> >>> Marriages Mar 1873 >>> FLOWERS Dinah Aston 6d 397 >>> LEES Robert Aston 6d 397 >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Maybe when you are looking for LEES you will come across a family of that name in the Handsworth or Hockley area from around 1841. They were clockmakers and seem to have originated in Nineveh. There is a whole colony of clockmakers in that area and I can find no particular reason why that should be so does anyone know why they have should have sprung from there. regards alan smith

Ken will put this in my Keep file .Just in case i do find a link . Jean -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kenneth William Bibb Sent: 16 January 2007 05:31 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES Jean, My uncles parents were Charles John LEES b 1878 and Alice Ellen BR$OADWAY his parents Thomas Charles LEES and Sarah Ann KENDRICK Look out for them Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Lees" <jean.lees@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES >I don't know wether there is a connection Ken as we have not got any >further > back than 1871.We know his fathers name was Robert also.But no occupation > as > he was dead when Roberrt married in 1873. > > Jean > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kenneth > William Bibb > Sent: 15 January 2007 10:32 > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES > > > Jean > I have LEES in my family, Charles LEES born abt 1804 mar Mary DEANE 1827 > is > there a connection please? > > Ken B > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Lees" <jean.lees@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:32 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES > > >> Hi Nivard and others thank you for your reply's. >> >> Robert LEES 21yrs married Dinah FLOWERS 1873 fathers name Robert .father >> stated as deceased.No mention of a middle name. >> >> witnesses at the marriage were Elijah and Mary FARNDON . >> >> This has been a brick wall for a long time now. >> >> I have all family info from 1873 onwards . >> >> Jean >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Nivard >> Ovington >> Sent: 14 January 2007 10:25 >> To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks >> >> >> Hi again >> >> If you have the marriage details why not let us know , his father with >> occupation may enable us to find him in earlier census. >> >> Did he have a middle name? who were the witnesses? >> >> Let us know, it may be whats needed to locate him. >> >> Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >> >> >>> Thanks yes i have this and further on .but just cannot trace him before >>> his >>> marriage. >>> >>> jean >> >> <snip> >> >>> Hi Jean >>> >>> Any use ? >>> >>> Marriages Mar 1873 >>> FLOWERS Dinah Aston 6d 397 >>> LEES Robert Aston 6d 397 >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list, from Doveridge Settlement Examinations, Dbys. James PANE born Birmingham, 1760. Apprenticed to Henry CLAY japanning. Went to Lane End, Stoke as painter and gilder to John POTTER. 1798 mike http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hello I have a photo of a damaged headstone taken at Key Hill Cemetery in Hockley Birmingham the name is Alice LEESE 1893 also mentioned is Nellie 1911 and Susan 1922 I can send it if you would like it. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth William Bibb" <kbibb@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:30 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES > Jean, > My uncles parents were Charles John LEES b 1878 and Alice Ellen BR$OADWAY > his parents Thomas Charles LEES and Sarah Ann KENDRICK > > Look out for them Ken B > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Lees" <jean.lees@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:35 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES > > >>I don't know wether there is a connection Ken as we have not got any >>further >> back than 1871.We know his fathers name was Robert also.But no occupation >> as >> he was dead when Roberrt married in 1873. >> >> Jean >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kenneth >> William Bibb >> Sent: 15 January 2007 10:32 >> To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES >> >> >> Jean >> I have LEES in my family, Charles LEES born abt 1804 mar Mary DEANE 1827 >> is >> there a connection please? >> >> Ken B >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jean Lees" <jean.lees@blueyonder.co.uk> >> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES >> >> >>> Hi Nivard and others thank you for your reply's. >>> >>> Robert LEES 21yrs married Dinah FLOWERS 1873 fathers name Robert .father >>> stated as deceased.No mention of a middle name. >>> >>> witnesses at the marriage were Elijah and Mary FARNDON . >>> >>> This has been a brick wall for a long time now. >>> >>> I have all family info from 1873 onwards . >>> >>> Jean >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Nivard >>> Ovington >>> Sent: 14 January 2007 10:25 >>> To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks >>> >>> >>> Hi again >>> >>> If you have the marriage details why not let us know , his father with >>> occupation may enable us to find him in earlier census. >>> >>> Did he have a middle name? who were the witnesses? >>> >>> Let us know, it may be whats needed to locate him. >>> >>> Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >>> >>> >>>> Thanks yes i have this and further on .but just cannot trace him before >>>> his >>>> marriage. >>>> >>>> jean >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>>> Hi Jean >>>> >>>> Any use ? >>>> >>>> Marriages Mar 1873 >>>> FLOWERS Dinah Aston 6d 397 >>>> LEES Robert Aston 6d 397 >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean I have LEES in my family, Charles LEES born abt 1804 mar Mary DEANE 1827 is there a connection please? Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Lees" <jean.lees@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES > Hi Nivard and others thank you for your reply's. > > Robert LEES 21yrs married Dinah FLOWERS 1873 fathers name Robert .father > stated as deceased.No mention of a middle name. > > witnesses at the marriage were Elijah and Mary FARNDON . > > This has been a brick wall for a long time now. > > I have all family info from 1873 onwards . > > Jean > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Nivard > Ovington > Sent: 14 January 2007 10:25 > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks > > > Hi again > > If you have the marriage details why not let us know , his father with > occupation may enable us to find him in earlier census. > > Did he have a middle name? who were the witnesses? > > Let us know, it may be whats needed to locate him. > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Thanks yes i have this and further on .but just cannot trace him before >> his >> marriage. >> >> jean > > <snip> > >> Hi Jean >> >> Any use ? >> >> Marriages Mar 1873 >> FLOWERS Dinah Aston 6d 397 >> LEES Robert Aston 6d 397 > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Although several sources have assured that Rev. Benjamin Spencer and his wife, Felicia had only one son, Robert, I note the following on Familysearch.... Benjamin Spencer born 10 May, 1783; christened 10 June 1783. Parents, Benjamin and Felicia. This could well be the Benjamin Spencer who married Elizabeth Walker in Northampton in 1799 and thus, the father of Joseph and Elizabeth, both christened in St Martins in 1800 and 1802 Jan.

I don't know wether there is a connection Ken as we have not got any further back than 1871.We know his fathers name was Robert also.But no occupation as he was dead when Roberrt married in 1873. Jean -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kenneth William Bibb Sent: 15 January 2007 10:32 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES Jean I have LEES in my family, Charles LEES born abt 1804 mar Mary DEANE 1827 is there a connection please? Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Lees" <jean.lees@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks LEES > Hi Nivard and others thank you for your reply's. > > Robert LEES 21yrs married Dinah FLOWERS 1873 fathers name Robert .father > stated as deceased.No mention of a middle name. > > witnesses at the marriage were Elijah and Mary FARNDON . > > This has been a brick wall for a long time now. > > I have all family info from 1873 onwards . > > Jean > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Nivard > Ovington > Sent: 14 January 2007 10:25 > To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks > > > Hi again > > If you have the marriage details why not let us know , his father with > occupation may enable us to find him in earlier census. > > Did he have a middle name? who were the witnesses? > > Let us know, it may be whats needed to locate him. > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Thanks yes i have this and further on .but just cannot trace him before >> his >> marriage. >> >> jean > > <snip> > >> Hi Jean >> >> Any use ? >> >> Marriages Mar 1873 >> FLOWERS Dinah Aston 6d 397 >> LEES Robert Aston 6d 397 > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jean I see that his occupation in 1881 is "Walking stick dresser" With that in mind, could this be your Robert in 1871? RG10 3106 107 39 Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England John Bliss 24 Maria Bliss 25 Michael Dollan 24 James Evans 19 Smith Evans 50 Robert Leet 20 boarder Stick dresser Birmingham, Warks I should also have said in my previous request for marriage cert details, what addresses were shown on the cert and have you checked them out? Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > Hi Nivard and others thank you for your reply's. > > Robert LEES 21yrs married Dinah FLOWERS 1873 fathers name Robert .father > stated as deceased.No mention of a middle name. > > witnesses at the marriage were Elijah and Mary FARNDON . > > This has been a brick wall for a long time now. > > I have all family info from 1873 onwards . > > Jean

Hi Karen, give these sites a go - I don't know whether they still work. Happy hunting, Mick McAllister BOER WAR SITES http://www.nationalmonuments.co.za/ http://www.sawvl.com/ http://anglo-boer.co.za/ http://hometown.aol.co.uk/kevinasplin/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <angeloleto@bellsouth.net> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: [B'ham] Military Service Birmingham to South Africa John "Jack" DAY > Looking for information about Birmingham Residents that served in the Boer > War in South Africa specifically from about 1883-1890, under a Col. > Carrington. I am desparately trying to find a list of names for his > regiment and I am having no luck. The name John "Jack" DAY is the > relative I am looking for. He was injured in 1886, and may have returned > home. He also may have received a pension. Is there a list of > servicemen, or a pension list available? > > > Thanks for looking! > Karen > > >

Hello Anne, Thanks very much for so promptly trying to help me. Seems more than one Charles HARRIS around at the time and the 1874 entry you found is marriage to Sarah Ann Pritchett. The son's 1876 Birth Certificate gives mother's name as Mary Julia Pritchett. The 1881 Census shows Charles' wife as "Mary Harris" Regards Kenneth

Jan - Was HARRIS her maiden name or her married name? I have various HARRIS connections in Birmingham, with a Sarah Jane one generation older than yours. Do you have names for the HARRIS parents, whether they were hers or her husband's? Elizabeth Elizabeth Duke Dunedin New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Lovesey" <janlovesey@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Cocoa / Chocolate Packer - SELLY OAK - Healey Road > Hi Mike > > I still have the large bible and certificate given to > my great gran Sarah Jane Harris upon her marriage in > 1900 when as you say, she had to leave Cadbury's. > > Jan

Hi Nivard and others thank you for your reply's. Robert LEES 21yrs married Dinah FLOWERS 1873 fathers name Robert .father stated as deceased.No mention of a middle name. witnesses at the marriage were Elijah and Mary FARNDON . This has been a brick wall for a long time now. I have all family info from 1873 onwards . Jean -----Original Message----- From: eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-warks-birmingham-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 14 January 2007 10:25 To: eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B'ham] Holywood .Birmingham Warks Hi again If you have the marriage details why not let us know , his father with occupation may enable us to find him in earlier census. Did he have a middle name? who were the witnesses? Let us know, it may be whats needed to locate him. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Thanks yes i have this and further on .but just cannot trace him before > his > marriage. > > jean <snip> > Hi Jean > > Any use ? > > Marriages Mar 1873 > FLOWERS Dinah Aston 6d 397 > LEES Robert Aston 6d 397 _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message