Hi David Yes, that is correct. I have names and dates of a various number of Thomas and Jane's family members and so on down to myself but I would love to find out further details, stories etc surrounding this Underhill family. I have been unable to locate information before Thomas come out to Australia, his parents, sisters or brother ect. If you can help me in any way I would only be too happy to help you out with any details that I may have on your family line. My family line is with Thomas and Jane's son: CHARLES ALBERT UNDERHILL, b. 26 July 1862, Corridgeree, Bega NSW. 7501/1862.; d. 30 July 1934, Bega NSW. Regards Lyn Underhill On 1/31/07, David Kenny <dakenny@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > Lyn, > > Noted your post, the Thomas Underhill who came to Australia, did he > marry Jane Kirkland and died in Bega 1915? > > If so then I have a connection via Thomas's Son Henry who married Mary > Charlotte Jaggers > > Please let know, of list I guess? > > Regards > > David > Ourimbah, NSW, Australia. > > > Lyn Underhill wrote: > > >Subject: Underhill Family > > > > > >Hi > > > >I hope someone in the Birmingham area may be able to help me with > >information on the early Underhill Families of the area. > > > > > >My interest in Birmingham is my GG Grandfather Thomas Underhill's family. > >Thomas was sent to Australia as a convict in 1831. Thomas was born in > >Birmingham on March 25, 1816, christened I think 29 July 1816 at ST > >Phillips. I would love to find out more information about members of his > >family who may have stayed on in England or perhaps travelled on to the > US. > > > >Regards > > > >Lyn Underhill > >Aust > >_____________________________________________ > >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > >http://www.bham.de/ > > > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good morning, I've been watching this thread closely because my WHITE grandmother's family lived at 159 Lozells St. in 1891 and I have had no information as to which church they might have attended until this discussion. The 1891 census record says "Villa Ward, Aston Manor...St. Silas" across the top, and so now I gather from what you are saying that the St. Silas church shown at http://www.saintsilas.org.uk/section/106 entitled "St Silas, Lozells, Birmingham" is the one they would have attended. Is that true? They were Church of England to the best of my knowledge. This is my first exploration of their church membership because I had no idea where to start. In the US, neighborhood address doesn't necessarily have much to do with the location of the church one attends, but with limited transportation and other factors I expect that was not the case in England in the late 1800s. I appreciate your help in learning more about my family. Carol Boggs NC, USA

Eric: Nivard has used the right phrase - "taken to be residents of the parish...[for] as little as 3 weeks". But even that may not be true. All that you can deduce for certain is that they told the church officials that they were residents and had been for 3 weeks. In a rural parish you could be sure that this was true, as everyone knew everyone. In Birmingham you can be sure of nothing. No checks were done - the church simply took the statement of the to-be-weds on trust. There were so many people, and populations shifted so quickly, that the church had no way at all of knowing who their parishioners were. So why would people tell an untruth? Simply because they wanted to marry at a particular church. This might be for lots of reasons, and it happened on a large scale. Even today many people don't marry in their local parish. As recently as 1950, my own parents gave a false address - that of my mother's aunt - so as to be able to be married at Oldbury Christchurch in the Black Country, although they lived in the next parish. And in the 19th century there were many inhabitants of rural Warwickshire, Worcestershire or Staffordshire who wanted a day out in the big city for their wedding. Good luck Paul Prescott > Of this Parish means they were taken to be residents of the Parish at the > time of the marriage , which could be as little as three weeks. > > It does not preclude that they were born there but does not mean they > were. > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Marriage certificates indicate the person 'Of this Parish'. >> Does this mean residing at that time or place of birth? >> I have a forebear married at St Philip in 1804 and the record states he >> was of this parish, but there is no record of his birth in the area. >> Help on this query would be greatly appreciated. >> Eric. > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think it means they had resided there for a certain minimum time. Today I think it's 3 weeks J beric <beric@net-tech.com.au> wrote: Marriage certificates indicate the person 'Of this Parish'. Does this mean residing at that time or place of birth? I have a forebear married at St Philip in 1804 and the record states he was of this parish, but there is no record of his birth in the area. Help on this query would be greatly appreciated. Eric. _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eric Of this Parish means they were taken to be residents of the Parish at the time of the marriage , which could be as little as three weeks. It does not preclude that they were born there but does not mean they were. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Marriage certificates indicate the person 'Of this Parish'. > Does this mean residing at that time or place of birth? > I have a forebear married at St Philip in 1804 and the record states he > was of this parish, but there is no record of his birth in the area. > Help on this query would be greatly appreciated. > Eric.

It simply means they had lived there for the necessary time to qualify for banns being read there - it could be a little time as 6 weeks. There was a term 'sojourner' which was sometimes added to 'of this parish' to mean they didn't have a permanent home in the parish ( i.e. were in lodgings). But unfortunately, it says nothing about their place of birth. If, as others have suggested, they survived until the censuses, you could tell if they were born in Warwickshire or not in the 1841, and may have an exact place of birth in 1851. Otherwise, you could try looking for settlement certificates which sometimes are a source of information about where a person was born. HTH Anne On 1 Feb 2007, at 01:56, beric wrote: > Marriage certificates indicate the person 'Of this Parish'. > Does this mean residing at that time or place of birth? > I have a forebear married at St Philip in 1804 and the record states > he was of this parish, but there is no record of his birth in the > area. > Help on this query would be greatly appreciated. > Eric.

I thought you only had to live in a parish for three weeks to be 'otp' in order for the Banns to be called. Christine is right with her definition of 'sojourner' (I looked it up like a good scholar) but I don't think every parish was the same. Janet Northampton I thought it meant the person had lived there for a year or more. I have received certificates that state "sojourner" - a temporary stay or a brief period of residence which I understood was less than a year. Their spouse may be "of this parish". Christine West Yorkshire

Hi Again I have just spent a bit more time scrolling on the link you sent. Brilliant I now have pictures of St James many thanks. Wendy. ----- Original Message ----- From: <MJG3567@aol.com> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:08 PM Subject: [B'ham] St James Church Aston > Hi Wendy. The new Church you found is on the same site as the old one. My > parents and most of my mothers relations were married there I was > Christened > there and went to its Sunday school. The Church is on the corner of > Frederick > Road and Whitehead Road. > If you go _http://forums.birminghamhistory.co.uk/index.php?topic=7573.0_ > (http://forums.birminghamhistory.co.uk/index.php?topic=7573.0) there is > a thread > running on the Church. > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought it meant the person had lived there for a year or more. I have received certificates that state "sojourner" - a temporary stay or a brief period of residence which I understood was less than a year. Their spouse may be "of this parish". Christine West Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "beric" <beric@net-tech.com.au> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:56 AM Subject: [B'ham] Correct interprretation Marriage certificates indicate the person 'Of this Parish'. Does this mean residing at that time or place of birth? I have a forebear married at St Philip in 1804 and the record states he was of this parish, but there is no record of his birth in the area. Help on this query would be greatly appreciated. Eric.

Kia ora Wendy May I please beg a copy of the St Silas Church photo?? One of my Fairys walked up the aisle there in 1889. I'd be very grateful! Thank you Marlene in New Zealand Wendy Partridge wrote: > Hello Judith > > My paternal family were from Lozells and were married at St Silas. I have > seen the original marriage registers at Birmingham Central Library in the > archives I have some recent photo's of St Silas if you would like them. > > Regards > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "judith byrne" <judith.byrne@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:50 PM > Subject: [B'ham] St. Silas Church and my Powell family > > > >> Hello List, >> This is my first posting and I have my fingers crossed! >> My Great grandmother's family were called Powell, they lived in the Soho >> Road, Lozells area of Birmingham and were married/christened at St. Silas >> Church. >> The family consisted of: >> Robert Powell born 1840 father >> Julia Ann Avery (Powell) born 1851 mother >> Georgina Powell born 1872 daughter >> Ernest Powell born 1874 son >> Raymond Powell born 1876 son >> Eleanor Powell born 1880 daughter >> Herbert Powell born 1883 son >> Robert H. Powell born 1889 son >> >> The family moved from Soho Road to Carpenters Road and various other >> addresses, but stayed in the same area. >> >> If anyone has any information on this family or St. Silas Church records I >> would be extremely grateful. Also I am fairly new to Birmingham research >> online and would welcome a few pointers, >> >> Thanks for your patience, >> >> Judith Byrne, >> Clitheroe, Lancs. >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

NEVER say die Tony! The Canadians have excellent records online, the Australians have the Pioneer Index and a set of CDs and the Kiwis (the ones who just beat you at Cricket!) have a CD and fiche from the Genealogical Society. The 1850s - 1870s were the high points when tens of thousands left Mother England and the most likely destinations were one of the above.. Go on venture out- I dare you! God forbid, you might find Aussie cousins! Cheers Marlene in Aotearoa. T & L Thompson wrote: > Yes, Common names like these are a pain when there is no clues to go by! if > they had the same trade through out the census it would take some preasure > off! if they went over seas well ,i'm afraid it goodbye in try to find > them! > It's hopeing some one is research the same family or my luck that line died > out! > > any way back to picking on the dead! > > cheers > Tony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Shaw" <m.rshaw@bigpond.com> > To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOST Thomas Richardson the Hairdresser > > > >> Well, Tony, my lot married into the Richardson lot from that area. Alice >> Small married Richardson, and they moved to Sutton Cold Field. They >> previously lived around Erdington district. Still Richardson is a pretty >> common name. She was born around 1881ish. My grandfather was her brother >> James Small. >> >> I have had a bit of trouble with people 'vanishing' also. My lot >> Wackford, >> very few of them, were in Camborne, Cornwall on every census....suddenly >> 1881 not there.....now they WERE there....cannot find them listed...did >> they >> go on holidays that night....don't think so....maybe your Richardson went >> to >> see my Wackfords, and they all went to France!!!! >> >> robyndehood. Toowoomba. Qld. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "T & L Thompson" <altr@bigpond.com> >> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:08 PM >> Subject: [B'ham] LOST Thomas Richardson the Hairdresser >> >> >> >>> Hello List >>> >>> I cannot find Thomas RICHARDSON - b 1815 and Wife Ann (Retchford) b - >>> 1815 >>> They married 6 feb 1840, Birmingham >>> >>> The last place known is at Aston, Deritend, Birmigham, this is from the >>> 1841 census. >>> Thomas was a Hairdresser and Ann was a Lace Maker. >>> >>> 1840 they both were residing at Park Street, Birmingham. >>> >>> Ann was born at Nottingham, christened at 19 July at Aston Juxta >>> Birmingham. >>> >>> They both "vanished" after 1841 . >>> >>> Any connection out there?? >>> >>> Thank you >>> Kind regards >>> Tony Thompson >>> Mungar QLD >>> Australia >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: >>> 28/01/2007 1:12 PM >>> >>> >>> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/657 - Release Date: >> 29/01/2007 9:04 AM >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Nivard, Thanks for the info, yes Maryvale is the orphanage I was looking for. Unfortunately Elizabeth doesn't seem to be there by the time the census was taken in 1871. We know she arrived from Ireland age 10 in 1867 under the name of Elizabeth Brien but when she married at St Marks Church, Birmingham in 1879 she gave her maiden name as Wallace. I have not had much luck looking for her in 1871 at Ancestry.com and her husband William MacDonald LIVINGSTONE has proved just as elusive before the 1881 census. Regards, Chris

Lyn, Noted your post, the Thomas Underhill who came to Australia, did he marry Jane Kirkland and died in Bega 1915? If so then I have a connection via Thomas's Son Henry who married Mary Charlotte Jaggers Please let know, of list I guess? Regards David Ourimbah, NSW, Australia. Lyn Underhill wrote: >Subject: Underhill Family > > >Hi > >I hope someone in the Birmingham area may be able to help me with >information on the early Underhill Families of the area. > > >My interest in Birmingham is my GG Grandfather Thomas Underhill's family. >Thomas was sent to Australia as a convict in 1831. Thomas was born in >Birmingham on March 25, 1816, christened I think 29 July 1816 at ST >Phillips. I would love to find out more information about members of his >family who may have stayed on in England or perhaps travelled on to the US. > >Regards > >Lyn Underhill >Aust >_____________________________________________ >Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >http://www.bham.de/ > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Pauline, Sorry I meant Soho Road and Lozells Road rather than Lozells area. Thanks for the contact Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] St. Silas Church and my Powell family > Hi Judith > > Soho Road is not Lozells, it is Handsworth, but was Staffordshire until > 1911/1912. > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "judith byrne" <judith.byrne@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:50 PM > Subject: [B'ham] St. Silas Church and my Powell family > > > Hello List, > This is my first posting and I have my fingers crossed! > My Great grandmother's family were called Powell, they lived in the Soho > Road, Lozells area of Birmingham and were married/christened at St. Silas > Church. > The family consisted of: > Robert Powell born 1840 father > Julia Ann Avery (Powell) born 1851 mother > Georgina Powell born 1872 daughter > Ernest Powell born 1874 son > Raymond Powell born 1876 son > Eleanor Powell born 1880 daughter > Herbert Powell born 1883 son > Robert H. Powell born 1889 son > > The family moved from Soho Road to Carpenters Road and various other > addresses, but stayed in the same area. > > If anyone has any information on this family or St. Silas Church records I > would be extremely grateful. Also I am fairly new to Birmingham research > online and would welcome a few pointers, > > Thanks for your patience, > > Judith Byrne, > Clitheroe, Lancs. > > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.17/661 - Release Date: > 30/01/2007 23:30 > >

Yes, Common names like these are a pain when there is no clues to go by! if they had the same trade through out the census it would take some preasure off! if they went over seas well ,i'm afraid it goodbye in try to find them! It's hopeing some one is research the same family or my luck that line died out! any way back to picking on the dead! cheers Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Shaw" <m.rshaw@bigpond.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOST Thomas Richardson the Hairdresser > Well, Tony, my lot married into the Richardson lot from that area. Alice > Small married Richardson, and they moved to Sutton Cold Field. They > previously lived around Erdington district. Still Richardson is a pretty > common name. She was born around 1881ish. My grandfather was her brother > James Small. > > I have had a bit of trouble with people 'vanishing' also. My lot > Wackford, > very few of them, were in Camborne, Cornwall on every census....suddenly > 1881 not there.....now they WERE there....cannot find them listed...did > they > go on holidays that night....don't think so....maybe your Richardson went > to > see my Wackfords, and they all went to France!!!! > > robyndehood. Toowoomba. Qld. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T & L Thompson" <altr@bigpond.com> > To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:08 PM > Subject: [B'ham] LOST Thomas Richardson the Hairdresser > > >> Hello List >> >> I cannot find Thomas RICHARDSON - b 1815 and Wife Ann (Retchford) b - >> 1815 >> They married 6 feb 1840, Birmingham >> >> The last place known is at Aston, Deritend, Birmigham, this is from the >> 1841 census. >> Thomas was a Hairdresser and Ann was a Lace Maker. >> >> 1840 they both were residing at Park Street, Birmingham. >> >> Ann was born at Nottingham, christened at 19 July at Aston Juxta >> Birmingham. >> >> They both "vanished" after 1841 . >> >> Any connection out there?? >> >> Thank you >> Kind regards >> Tony Thompson >> Mungar QLD >> Australia >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: >> 28/01/2007 1:12 PM >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/657 - Release Date: > 29/01/2007 9:04 AM >

HI Thanks for that , Im afraid its not the right family, so that eliminates that one! cheers Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J Richardson" <pjrich_uk@hotmail.com> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOST Thomas Richardson the Hairdresser > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T & L Thompson" <altr@bigpond.com> > To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:08 AM > Subject: [B'ham] LOST Thomas Richardson the Hairdresser > > >> Hello List >> >> I cannot find Thomas RICHARDSON - b 1815 and Wife Ann (Retchford) b - >> 1815 >> They married 6 feb 1840, Birmingham >> >> The last place known is at Aston, Deritend, Birmigham, this is from the >> 1841 census. >> Thomas was a Hairdresser and Ann was a Lace Maker. >> >> 1840 they both were residing at Park Street, Birmingham. >> >> Ann was born at Nottingham, christened at 19 July at Aston Juxta >> Birmingham. >> >> They both "vanished" after 1841 . >> >> Any connection out there?? > > > I've found: > > 1871 England Census > about Ann Richardson > > Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England > > Civil parish: Harborne > Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew > Town: Smethwick > County/Island: Worcestershire > > > Name Age > Ann Richardson 60 > Elizah Richardson 28 > Jabez Richardson 32 > John J Richardson 24 > Mary Richardson 26 > > > Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3086; Folio: 48; Page: 37; GSU roll: > 838895. > > Ann Richardson abt 1811 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Head > Harborne Worcestershire > Elizah Richardson Ann abt 1843 Gamston, Nottinghamshire, England Son > Harborne Worcestershire > Jabez Richardson Ann abt 1839 Armitage, Staffordshire, England Son > Harborne Worcestershire > John J Richardson Ann abt 1847 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son > Harborne Worcestershire > Mary Richardson Ann abt 1845 Bowditch, Derbyshire, England Daughter > Harborne Worcestershire > > > > > > > > > > > Do these look like they could be your names? > > > > Regards > > Peter > > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/657 - Release Date: > 29/01/2007 9:04 AM >

Hi Marlene There are four nice photo's of St Silas Lozells here http://www.saintsilas.org.uk/section/106 (scroll down to near the bottom or use Find and Lozells) Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Kia ora Wendy > May I please beg a copy of the St Silas Church photo?? One of my Fairys > walked up the aisle there in 1889. I'd be very grateful! > Thank you > Marlene in New Zealand > > > Wendy Partridge wrote: >> Hello Judith

Sent of list ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> To: <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] St. Silas Church and my FAIRY family > Kia ora Wendy > May I please beg a copy of the St Silas Church photo?? One of my Fairys > walked up the aisle there in 1889. I'd be very grateful! > Thank you > Marlene in New Zealand > > > Wendy Partridge wrote: >> Hello Judith >> >> My paternal family were from Lozells and were married at St Silas. I have >> seen the original marriage registers at Birmingham Central Library in the >> archives I have some recent photo's of St Silas if you would like them. >> >> Regards >> Wendy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "judith byrne" <judith.byrne@btinternet.com> >> To: <ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:50 PM >> Subject: [B'ham] St. Silas Church and my Powell family >> >> >> >>> Hello List, >>> This is my first posting and I have my fingers crossed! >>> My Great grandmother's family were called Powell, they lived in the Soho >>> Road, Lozells area of Birmingham and were married/christened at St. >>> Silas >>> Church. >>> The family consisted of: >>> Robert Powell born 1840 father >>> Julia Ann Avery (Powell) born 1851 mother >>> Georgina Powell born 1872 daughter >>> Ernest Powell born 1874 son >>> Raymond Powell born 1876 son >>> Eleanor Powell born 1880 daughter >>> Herbert Powell born 1883 son >>> Robert H. Powell born 1889 son >>> >>> The family moved from Soho Road to Carpenters Road and various other >>> addresses, but stayed in the same area. >>> >>> If anyone has any information on this family or St. Silas Church records >>> I >>> would be extremely grateful. Also I am fairly new to Birmingham research >>> online and would welcome a few pointers, >>> >>> Thanks for your patience, >>> >>> Judith Byrne, >>> Clitheroe, Lancs. >>> _____________________________________________ >>> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >>> http://www.bham.de/ >>> >>> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: >> http://www.bham.de/ >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > _____________________________________________ > Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: > http://www.bham.de/ > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

possible 2nd image sent off list Gerry Edwards <jedwac342@rogers.com> wrote: Hello Listers: Can SKS please do a census look-up for me. I am trying to determine which of the following three Thomas Messengers belong on my family tree. Thomas Messenger married Mary Ann Cater about 05 Feb. 1857, All Saints, Birmingham. Thomas Messenger married Ann Rebecca Wootton about 01 Aug. 1858, Saint Phillips, Birmingham. Thomas Messenger married Emma Troman Sept. 1858 quarter in Birmingham. I have 1861 census on this latter Thomas and although his age seems to fit what I am looking for, the names of his children seem completely different from previous generations. I am not sure he is the one I am looking for. My Thomas was age 2 in the the 1841 census and born in Warwickshire, the son of Thomas and Sarah. If I could get an 1861 census listing for the first two couples I may be able to narrow down my search before I order a marriage certificate. Hopefully the couples stayed in the Birmingham area. Thank you for any assistance you can provide. Gerry Edwards Canada _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1st image on its way off list J Gerry Edwards <jedwac342@rogers.com> wrote: Hello Listers: Can SKS please do a census look-up for me. I am trying to determine which of the following three Thomas Messengers belong on my family tree. Thomas Messenger married Mary Ann Cater about 05 Feb. 1857, All Saints, Birmingham. Thomas Messenger married Ann Rebecca Wootton about 01 Aug. 1858, Saint Phillips, Birmingham. Thomas Messenger married Emma Troman Sept. 1858 quarter in Birmingham. I have 1861 census on this latter Thomas and although his age seems to fit what I am looking for, the names of his children seem completely different from previous generations. I am not sure he is the one I am looking for. My Thomas was age 2 in the the 1841 census and born in Warwickshire, the son of Thomas and Sarah. If I could get an 1861 census listing for the first two couples I may be able to narrow down my search before I order a marriage certificate. Hopefully the couples stayed in the Birmingham area. Thank you for any assistance you can provide. Gerry Edwards Canada _____________________________________________ Tracing Ancestors in Birmingham: http://www.bham.de/ Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message