Hi all on the mailing list Thais is just a quick thankyou to the replies i have receive with my questions, about Samuel and Catherine and also the death of Sarah all the answer Have been enlighting and helpful, I would only need fathers name to connect some dots and isn't it so frustrating when you can't i must say because they all came from Bilston wovlerhampton and bilton have a great records collect attssible on line for us folk in OZ anyway and a lot of my research has been throught that except for the marriage of Samuel and Catherine but like they say theres one in every crowd however in saying all this i thank you all for your time and help and if anyone every comes across a marriage entry at the archives so Samuel and Catherine please let me know Best wishes to all on your searching and if anyone needs help from our side of the world send an e-mail and i will see what i can do Regards Denise hIll

Hello List, My gt x 3 grand parents and their family lived in "Ladywood" Birmingham on the 1871 census. Their daughter Mary Jane with Husband Aaron BUTLER and their family emigrated to Aust. ( This couple were my gt gt Grand parents. As far as I know the remaining family stayed in England. Hoping that some one out there knows of this family and and help me to find the records please. 1 James FREEMAN 1808 - 1878 Old Park Shropshire .. +Mary Louisa COTTRELL 1814 - 1902 Coventy Wars .................... 2 William Henry FREEMAN 1830 - 1910 Birmingham Wars ........................ +Hannah 1827 - 1910 .................... 2 Joseph Benjamin FREEMAN 1832 - 1874 Birmingham Wars ........................ +Jane AKERS 1840 - .................... 2 Mary Jane FREEMAN 1836 - 1888 Birmingham Wars My gt Gran died Sydney Aust ........................ +Aaron BUTLER 1829 - 1909 .................... 2 Anne Mariah FREEMAN 1840 - 1920 Birmingham Wars ........................ +Thomas POWERS 1838 - Birmingham Wars .................... 2 Martha Keziah FREEMAN 1842 -Birmingham Wars ........................ +Thomas JAMES 1815 - .................... 2 Ellen Elizabeth FREEMAN 1844 - 1922 Birmingham Wars ........................ +George STREET 1838 - 1920 .................... 2 Thomas Cottrell FREEMAN 1846 - Birmingham Wars ........................ +Emma VOYLE 1847 - .................... 2 Esther Mary FREEMAN 1852 - Birmingham Wars ........................ +Edward YEOMANS 1850 - .................... 2 George Henry FREEMAN 1857 - Birmingham Wars ........................ +Mary Ann CHESTER 1858 - Regards Anna Brisbane .Aust

Hi Could someone look up the death of Emma Cooper who died in the first half of 1900 at Birmingham. I am trying to establish her parents. Thank You Paul Stretton Australia

Yes it is a thought i had too.The eldest daughter would have been 15yrs old . Jean L -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Dawn Webb Sent: 02 June 2008 13:41 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOOK UP PLEASE Last child of the "parents"? Look for the child being the illigitimate child of one of the suitably aged daughters of the family thus making this child their grand-daughter. Happened in my family - my father had a sibling he thought was his uncle! I found out long after Dad had passed on but I really don't think anyone knew. Might not be the case in your family, of course, but... worth considering. Good luck Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jean Lees Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 10:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOOK UP PLEASE My frustration is the last child of my husbands grandparents born 1900 hes on the 1901 census we cannot find his birth .The only child i have not found have all the other 11 children Jean L -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of JANE DYER Sent: 02 June 2008 11:28 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOOK UP PLEASE but it's so frustrating! Like when a child is born out of wedlock & the father is not named. I hate the short branches on my tree! Good luck J Patricia Sheldon <[email protected]> wrote: Cheers Jane, You have gone to a bit of trouble for me and I am very grateful, it might be one of those you have to just leave! Regards Pat. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JANE DYER Sent: 01 June 2008 22:36 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOOK UP PLEASE This is the most likely marriage. There's only one other at St Martins but that's after the 1st child was born so less likely. Neither seem to have any link to the name Weaver & I can't find it as a possible maiden name for John's mother either. Sorry I can't sovle this one! Jane IGI Individual Record JOHN SHILTON Pedigree Male Family Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH CHESTERTON Family Marriage: 05 MAY 1828 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. 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On 02 Jun, Dawn Webb <[email protected]> wrote: > Last child of the "parents"? Look for the child being the illigitimate > child of one of the suitably aged daughters of the family thus making > this child their grand-daughter. Happened in my family - my father had > a sibling he thought was his uncle! I found out long after Dad had > passed on but I really don't think anyone knew. Might not be the case > in your family, of course, but... worth considering. > Good luck > Dawn (Melbourne Australia) I think this is more common that we believe. I had a particular census record for 3 years before I finally twigged that the last child listed as "daughter" of Sarah Ann was in fact born 2 years after Sarah Ann's husband had died! -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

My frustration is the last child of my husbands grandparents born 1900 hes on the 1901 census we cannot find his birth .The only child i have not found have all the other 11 children Jean L -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of JANE DYER Sent: 02 June 2008 11:28 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOOK UP PLEASE but it's so frustrating! Like when a child is born out of wedlock & the father is not named. I hate the short branches on my tree! Good luck J Patricia Sheldon <[email protected]> wrote: Cheers Jane, You have gone to a bit of trouble for me and I am very grateful, it might be one of those you have to just leave! Regards Pat. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JANE DYER Sent: 01 June 2008 22:36 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOOK UP PLEASE This is the most likely marriage. There's only one other at St Martins but that's after the 1st child was born so less likely. Neither seem to have any link to the name Weaver & I can't find it as a possible maiden name for John's mother either. Sorry I can't sovle this one! Jane IGI Individual Record JOHN SHILTON Pedigree Male Family Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH CHESTERTON Family Marriage: 05 MAY 1828 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1475 - Release Date: 30/05/2008 14:53 _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi, what details are you particularly looking for? I don't know the family but I'm always keen to help. jane Anna Bell <[email protected]> wrote: Hello List, My gt x 3 grand parents and their family lived in "Ladywood" Birmingham on the 1871 census. Their daughter Mary Jane with Husband Aaron BUTLER and their family emigrated to Aust. ( This couple were my gt gt Grand parents. As far as I know the remaining family stayed in England. Hoping that some one out there knows of this family and and help me to find the records please. 1 James FREEMAN 1808 - 1878 Old Park Shropshire .. +Mary Louisa COTTRELL 1814 - 1902 Coventy Wars .................... 2 William Henry FREEMAN 1830 - 1910 Birmingham Wars ........................ +Hannah 1827 - 1910 .................... 2 Joseph Benjamin FREEMAN 1832 - 1874 Birmingham Wars ........................ +Jane AKERS 1840 - .................... 2 Mary Jane FREEMAN 1836 - 1888 Birmingham Wars My gt Gran died Sydney Aust ........................ +Aaron BUTLER 1829 - 1909 .................... 2 Anne Mariah FREEMAN 1840 - 1920 Birmingham Wars ........................ +Thomas POWERS 1838 - Birmingham Wars .................... 2 Martha Keziah FREEMAN 1842 -Birmingham Wars ........................ +Thomas JAMES 1815 - .................... 2 Ellen Elizabeth FREEMAN 1844 - 1922 Birmingham Wars ........................ +George STREET 1838 - 1920 .................... 2 Thomas Cottrell FREEMAN 1846 - Birmingham Wars ........................ +Emma VOYLE 1847 - .................... 2 Esther Mary FREEMAN 1852 - Birmingham Wars ........................ +Edward YEOMANS 1850 - .................... 2 George Henry FREEMAN 1857 - Birmingham Wars ........................ +Mary Ann CHESTER 1858 - Regards Anna Brisbane .Aust _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

but it's so frustrating! Like when a child is born out of wedlock & the father is not named. I hate the short branches on my tree! Good luck J Patricia Sheldon <[email protected]> wrote: Cheers Jane, You have gone to a bit of trouble for me and I am very grateful, it might be one of those you have to just leave! Regards Pat. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JANE DYER Sent: 01 June 2008 22:36 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOOK UP PLEASE This is the most likely marriage. There's only one other at St Martins but that's after the 1st child was born so less likely. Neither seem to have any link to the name Weaver & I can't find it as a possible maiden name for John's mother either. Sorry I can't sovle this one! Jane IGI Individual Record JOHN SHILTON Pedigree Male Family Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH CHESTERTON Family Marriage: 05 MAY 1828 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1475 - Release Date: 30/05/2008 14:53 _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't think it does give parents names on these early parish records. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Hill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:05 AM Subject: [B'ham] (no subject) > could some kind soul look up the marriage of Samuel Hill to Catherine > Colburne at St Martins in Birmingham onthe 3rd April 1809 i have look at > family history on line however it does not give parents names > thankyou > Denise Hill > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Denise, even after 1837 you would only get father's names on a marriage certificate. At this early stage, before civil registration you ar eunlikely to get even that. Sorry Anne On 1 Jun 2008, at 23:05, Denise Hill wrote: > could some kind soul look up the marriage of Samuel Hill to Catherine > Colburne at St Martins in Birmingham onthe 3rd April 1809 i have > look at > family history on line however it does not give parents names > thankyou > Denise Hill >

Paul, the only way to find details of the death is to buy the death certificate here is the reference you will need to order the death from the ONS Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Jun 1900 Cooper Emma 74 Birmingham 6d 119 Since she was aged 74 it will not give details of her parentage on the death certificate. Anne On 2 Jun 2008, at 08:14, Paul Stretton wrote: > Hi > Could someone look up the death of Emma Cooper who died in the first > half of 1900 at Birmingham. I am trying to establish her parents. > > Thank You > Paul Stretton > Australia

Hi Jean, Thanks for your trouble, I have a feeling I've reached the end - of my tether! Pat. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jean Thatcher Sent: 01 June 2008 22:13 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOOK UP PLEASE Hi Pat, I have tried hard to find the marriage but have had no luck. If Emily had been born a year later what a different story it would be. One suggestion though, I wonder if anyone has access to St Martins Baptisms, the reason I say this, not all the entries were transcribed by the LDS so maybe that marriage managed to get missed. If John born 1827 was the first born the marriage could be 1826 or slightly earlier. The best of luck Jean Patricia Sheldon <[email protected]> wrote: The _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1475 - Release Date: 30/05/2008 14:53

Cheers Jane, You have gone to a bit of trouble for me and I am very grateful, it might be one of those you have to just leave! Regards Pat. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JANE DYER Sent: 01 June 2008 22:36 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOOK UP PLEASE This is the most likely marriage. There's only one other at St Martins but that's after the 1st child was born so less likely. Neither seem to have any link to the name Weaver & I can't find it as a possible maiden name for John's mother either. Sorry I can't sovle this one! Jane IGI Individual Record JOHN SHILTON Pedigree Male Family Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH CHESTERTON Family Marriage: 05 MAY 1828 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1475 - Release Date: 30/05/2008 14:53

could some kind soul look up the marriage of Samuel Hill to Catherine Colburne at St Martins in Birmingham onthe 3rd April 1809 i have look at family history on line however it does not give parents names thankyou Denise Hill

This is the most likely marriage. There's only one other at St Martins but that's after the 1st child was born so less likely. Neither seem to have any link to the name Weaver & I can't find it as a possible maiden name for John's mother either. Sorry I can't sovle this one! Jane IGI Individual Record JOHN SHILTON Pedigree Male Family Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH CHESTERTON Family Marriage: 05 MAY 1828 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England

Hi Pat, I have tried hard to find the marriage but have had no luck. If Emily had been born a year later what a different story it would be. One suggestion though, I wonder if anyone has access to St Martins Baptisms, the reason I say this, not all the entries were transcribed by the LDS so maybe that marriage managed to get missed. If John born 1827 was the first born the marriage could be 1826 or slightly earlier. The best of luck Jean Patricia Sheldon <[email protected]> wrote: The

that is SO inconsiderate! I'll have a look & see if I can find any clues elsewhere J Patricia Sheldon <[email protected]> wrote: The last child born was Emily 6.2.1837. John remarried between 1837 and 1843 when he started with his second brood. Pat. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JANE DYER Sent: 01 June 2008 19:35 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOOK UP PLEASE Is there a child born after 1837? If so the birth cert should show mother's maiden name Jane Patricia Sheldon wrote: Hi List, JOHN SHELDON born 1808 Bookbinder/Seller. He married Elizabeth (unknown) would like to get a maiden name and marriage date for them please. Their first girl child was named ELIZABETH WEAVER Sheldon b. 7.4.1829. All children were registered in the parish of St.Martins. Thanking in advance. Regards P.Sheldon. _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1475 - Release Date: 30/05/2008 14:53 _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The last child born was Emily 6.2.1837. John remarried between 1837 and 1843 when he started with his second brood. Pat. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JANE DYER Sent: 01 June 2008 19:35 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] LOOK UP PLEASE Is there a child born after 1837? If so the birth cert should show mother's maiden name Jane Patricia Sheldon <[email protected]> wrote: Hi List, JOHN SHELDON born 1808 Bookbinder/Seller. He married Elizabeth (unknown) would like to get a maiden name and marriage date for them please. Their first girl child was named ELIZABETH WEAVER Sheldon b. 7.4.1829. All children were registered in the parish of St.Martins. Thanking in advance. Regards P.Sheldon. _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1475 - Release Date: 30/05/2008 14:53

Is there a child born after 1837? If so the birth cert should show mother's maiden name Jane Patricia Sheldon <[email protected]> wrote: Hi List, JOHN SHELDON born 1808 Bookbinder/Seller. He married Elizabeth (unknown) would like to get a maiden name and marriage date for them please. Their first girl child was named ELIZABETH WEAVER Sheldon b. 7.4.1829. All children were registered in the parish of St.Martins. Thanking in advance. Regards P.Sheldon. _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, JOHN SHELDON born 1808 Bookbinder/Seller. He married Elizabeth (unknown) would like to get a maiden name and marriage date for them please. Their first girl child was named ELIZABETH WEAVER Sheldon b. 7.4.1829. All children were registered in the parish of St.Martins. Thanking in advance. Regards P.Sheldon.