Hi Roz According to FreeBMD/Ancestry Emily Whittingham married William Bailey Q3 1900 Birmingham 6d 13. So Horace was born before the marriage. In the 1901 census for 4Leopold Terrace(I Think) Birmingham RG13/2848/019/029 we have William H Bailey hd mar 21 builders carter born Birmingham WAR Emily Bailey wife mar 21 born Coventry WAR and a 19 year old boarder. Sorry it does not help much. Mike Fisher in Droitwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roz Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: [B'ham] look up request BAILEY (baptism's/births etc) > Hi, > > I'm trying to trace the family of my great grandfather, Horace BAILEY. > > Horace was born in 1898, but his birth was never registered, nor was he > christened/baptised. > > He had one brother, John/Jack (middle initial H) and one sister > (Winifred) - and a younger half brother. > > I think i might have the birth certificate for Jack, but i'm not in a > financial position to purchase one for Winifred. > > Anyway, Their father was William Henry Bailey, a gas fitter. > > The birth certificate reads: > > born 11 august 1906 at 14 Mount Pleasant Grove, Camden Street, Birmingham > (in all saints district) > name John Henry > Sex Male > Name of father William Henry BAILEY > Name of mother Emily BAILEY formerly WHITTINGHAM > occupation of father Builders Carter > > It was Emily who registered the birth on 17 September 1906 > > Call it gut instinct, but i believe Horace is illegitimate > > Thanks in advance > > Roz > > > __________________________________________________________ > Sent from Yahoo! Mail. > A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anne - many thanks for your help. I have now had a reply from the vicar who confirms that is the case and she has very kindly given me the inscription. Cari

hi Roz, I can't check the baptisms as they will be in the parish records but I can look on Ancestry etc. It won't give father's name, just the quarter & district. I'm not aware of any lists that give more free details. I'm off to bed now but I'll have a look tomorrow if no-one else finds anything. Jane Roz Jones <[email protected]> wrote: The birth/baptism of Jack/John and Winifred. And if it is possible to confirm that the 2 have William Henry as a father. I'm not in a financial position to be able to purchase certificates, so i'm hoping there is a way of looking at the baptism records? Roz --- On Mon, 23/6/08, JANE DYER wrote: From: JANE DYER Subject: Re: [B'ham] look up request BAILEY (baptism's/births etc) To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 23 June, 2008, 5:44 PM Hi Roz, what particular look-up are you interested in? If Horace's birth wasn't registered we won't find him in any BMD list. I can have a look on Ancestry if you like. Jane Roz Jones wrote: Hi, I'm trying to trace the family of my great grandfather, Horace BAILEY. Horace was born in 1898, but his birth was never registered, nor was he christened/baptised. He had one brother, John/Jack (middle initial H) and one sister (Winifred) - and a younger half brother. I think i might have the birth certificate for Jack, but i'm not in a financial position to purchase one for Winifred. Anyway, Their father was William Henry Bailey, a gas fitter. The birth certificate reads: born 11 august 1906 at 14 Mount Pleasant Grove, Camden Street, Birmingham (in all saints district) name John Henry Sex Male Name of father William Henry BAILEY Name of mother Emily BAILEY formerly WHITTINGHAM occupation of father Builders Carter It was Emily who registered the birth on 17 September 1906 Call it gut instinct, but i believe Horace is illegitimate Thanks in advance Roz __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The birth/baptism of Jack/John and Winifred.   And if it is possible to confirm that the 2 have William Henry as a father.   I'm not in a financial position to be able to purchase certificates, so i'm hoping there is a way of looking at the baptism records?   Roz --- On Mon, 23/6/08, JANE DYER <[email protected]> wrote: From: JANE DYER <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [B'ham] look up request BAILEY (baptism's/births etc) To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 23 June, 2008, 5:44 PM Hi Roz, what particular look-up are you interested in? If Horace's birth wasn't registered we won't find him in any BMD list. I can have a look on Ancestry if you like. Jane Roz Jones <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I'm trying to trace the family of my great grandfather, Horace BAILEY. Horace was born in 1898, but his birth was never registered, nor was he christened/baptised. He had one brother, John/Jack (middle initial H) and one sister (Winifred) - and a younger half brother. I think i might have the birth certificate for Jack, but i'm not in a financial position to purchase one for Winifred. Anyway, Their father was William Henry Bailey, a gas fitter. The birth certificate reads: born 11 august 1906 at 14 Mount Pleasant Grove, Camden Street, Birmingham (in all saints district) name John Henry Sex Male Name of father William Henry BAILEY Name of mother Emily BAILEY formerly WHITTINGHAM occupation of father Builders Carter It was Emily who registered the birth on 17 September 1906 Call it gut instinct, but i believe Horace is illegitimate Thanks in advance Roz __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Hi Ray, well my rellie was charged at Michaelmas and I had no idea just when. Now I know, September, in 1822. Thanks. robyndehood. Qld. Oz. At 05:10 PM 23/06/2008, you wrote: >There was another way to gain employment for servants. > >Mop Fairs. > >Farm workers, labourers, servants and some craftsmen would work for >their employer from October to October. At the end of the employment >they would attend the Mop Fair dressed in their Sunday best clothes and >carrying an item signifying their trade. A servant with no particular >skills would carry a mop <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mop> head -- >hence the phrase Mop Fair. > >Employers would move amongst them discussing experience and terms, once >agreement was reached the employer would give the employee a small token >of money and the employee would remove the item signifying their trade >and wear bright ribbons to indicate they had been hired. They would then >spend the token amongst the stalls set-up at the fair which would be >selling food and drink and offering games to play. > >Michaelmas Day is celebrated on the 29th September but Mop Fairs were >tied to the seasons and the harvest, not the calendar. When the >Gregorian calendar <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar> was >adopted in 1752 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1752> and 11 days dropped >from that year events associated with the end of the harvest moved 11 >days later to the 10th October. This date is known as "Old Michaelmas >Day" and since 1752 has been the date Mop Fairs take place. > >Ray > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: >22/06/2008 07:52 >_____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > >Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on >www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers >will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: >[email protected] >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Roz, what particular look-up are you interested in? If Horace's birth wasn't registered we won't find him in any BMD list. I can have a look on Ancestry if you like. Jane Roz Jones <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I'm trying to trace the family of my great grandfather, Horace BAILEY. Horace was born in 1898, but his birth was never registered, nor was he christened/baptised. He had one brother, John/Jack (middle initial H) and one sister (Winifred) - and a younger half brother. I think i might have the birth certificate for Jack, but i'm not in a financial position to purchase one for Winifred. Anyway, Their father was William Henry Bailey, a gas fitter. The birth certificate reads: born 11 august 1906 at 14 Mount Pleasant Grove, Camden Street, Birmingham (in all saints district) name John Henry Sex Male Name of father William Henry BAILEY Name of mother Emily BAILEY formerly WHITTINGHAM occupation of father Builders Carter It was Emily who registered the birth on 17 September 1906 Call it gut instinct, but i believe Horace is illegitimate Thanks in advance Roz __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi,   I'm trying to trace the family of my great grandfather, Horace BAILEY.   Horace was born in 1898, but his birth was never registered, nor was he christened/baptised.   He had one brother, John/Jack (middle initial H) and one sister (Winifred) - and a younger half brother.   I think i might have the birth certificate for Jack, but i'm not in a financial position to purchase one for Winifred.   Anyway,  Their father was William Henry Bailey, a gas fitter.   The birth certificate reads:   born 11 august 1906 at 14 Mount Pleasant Grove, Camden Street, Birmingham (in all saints district) name John Henry Sex Male Name of father William Henry BAILEY Name of mother Emily BAILEY formerly WHITTINGHAM occupation of father Builders Carter   It was Emily who registered the birth on 17 September 1906   Call it gut instinct, but i believe Horace is illegitimate   Thanks in advance   Roz __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

'unsubscribe' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Peat" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Edgbaston Old Church > Carl, in recent years there has been quite a lot of fuss on health and > safety grounds about old tombstones, vaults etc. It could be that the > tomb has had to be removed on these grounds, or to make churchyard > maintenance easier. > When this happens the inscriptions are usually recorded. > Why don't you contact the church and ask? > > There is a website. > > ( PS a stamped addressed envelope will probably make it more likely > that someone will reply!) > > Anne > On 23 Jun 2008, at 12:05, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hi Everyone >> Can anyone tell me if anything has changed at Edgbaston Old Church (St >> Bartholomews)? I have detail that an Alice Tredwell was buried >> there and have a >> very poor and indistinct picture of quite a large and grand looking >> vault. I >> did take a trip there last week but was surprised I couldn`t find >> it. Having >> searched on the internet I note present day pictures and old photos >> and note >> that there appear to be many many more tombstones in the old >> photos. Can >> anyone enlighten me as to what has happened and why the change? I >> would like >> to know what was written on Alice`s tomb. Many thanks. Cari >> >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected]tsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carl, in recent years there has been quite a lot of fuss on health and safety grounds about old tombstones, vaults etc. It could be that the tomb has had to be removed on these grounds, or to make churchyard maintenance easier. When this happens the inscriptions are usually recorded. Why don't you contact the church and ask? There is a website. ( PS a stamped addressed envelope will probably make it more likely that someone will reply!) Anne On 23 Jun 2008, at 12:05, [email protected] wrote: > Hi Everyone > Can anyone tell me if anything has changed at Edgbaston Old Church (St > Bartholomews)? I have detail that an Alice Tredwell was buried > there and have a > very poor and indistinct picture of quite a large and grand looking > vault. I > did take a trip there last week but was surprised I couldn`t find > it. Having > searched on the internet I note present day pictures and old photos > and note > that there appear to be many many more tombstones in the old > photos. Can > anyone enlighten me as to what has happened and why the change? I > would like > to know what was written on Alice`s tomb. Many thanks. Cari > > >

Unfortunately I didn't keep a copy but there was an article in a NZ paper about the difficulties English women were having obtaining Servants in England. Apparently no-one answered their advertisements!!. I recall having a giggle thinking that probably most didn't have the time, energy or ability to read The Times! Cheers Marlene New Zealand Janette Fletcher wrote: > Hi Ken, > > Although there was a 'requirement' for children to go to school, very often parents could not afford to send them. Consequently many young children were put into service or gained employment as 'errand boys', thus they were less of a burden upon their parents who were struggling to make ends meet. > Whilst I am not fully familiar with the agency in question, I am aware of a service in Birmingham during the late 1800's that acted as an agency for servants. > > Regards > Jan > > > > >> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:49:08 -0400> Subject: [B'ham] Servants> > I am always amazed at the youth of servants and sometimes their great > distance from> home. Is there a good article on this subject or does someone want to opine > on this> topic. How were these people "hired" did they answer adverts in the paper, > through> family, relations, it just seems odd to me that 13 year old children were > let out to service.> What were they paid? Etc.> Cheers> Ken> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:04 AM> Subject: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM Digest, Vol 3, Issue 270> > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > _____________________________________________> >> > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > > www.freebmd.org.uk , ! g! >> > iving your contact details? Other researchers will > > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem.> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > Today's Topics:> >> > 1. 1901 Birmingham look up request. (rayb)> > 2. Re: 1901 Birmingham look up request. (Reg Wesson)> > 3. Re: 1901 Birmingham look up request. (David Carr)> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > To contact the ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM list administrator, send an email to> > [email protected]> >> > To post a message to the ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM mailing list, send an email > > to [email protected]> >> > __________________________________________________________> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected]> > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > ! > ! > of the> > email with no additional text.> > > > > ____________________ > _________________________> _____________________________________________> > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem.> > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected]> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/ > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Ray I have sent you an image off line.The entry looks like it has some links to you, as the 1891 entry which you obviously have gives Harry's parents as Henry and Elizabeth and shows a brother Joseph. Cheers Leanne 1901 Census Name: Harry Lee Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Alice Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 3 Oxford Terrace Registration district: Aston Sub registration district: Deritend ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Household schedule number: 187 Household Members: Name Age Alice Lee 25 (Wife, Charwoman) Harry Lee 30 (Finisher Brass locks) Joseph Lee 17 (brother, Lathe worker brass) Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2857; Folio: 158; Page: 27. ---------------------------------------- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:03:18 +0100 Subject: [B'ham] 1901 Birmingham look up request. Would SKS please help with a 1901 census look up please ? I am trying to find Harry LEE born Birmingham 1871 on the 1901 census, he should be with his wife Elizabeth (Age and of place of birth not known) and at least 1 daughter Alice born Balsall Heath , Birmingham 1896. Harry was a brass founder on the 1891 census and born Birmingham, Warwickshire. In 1896 when his daughter Alice was baptised in Saint Paul's, Balsall Heath he was living in Vincent Street. and against fathers occupation he stated "Printer" as was his own father Henry LEE. I have looked for ages on the Genes Reunited 1901 Census without any luck I am afraid. The annoying thing is that I changed from Ancestry subscription to the Genes Reunited subscription, only the find the transcriptions equally poor, whats next, Find my Past I think. Kind regards _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT

Would you please be kind enough to contact me regarding Harry Lee. Ray Begley No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 22/06/2008 07:52

My sixpence worth! There is a magazine on the market today which has been running since at least the 1920,s, called The Lady. It is aimed at people wishing to do "service" type work. For example carers for elderly and disabled. This magazine still carries advertisements for nannies, housekeepers, butlers, gardeners/handymen and the like. I am sure the newspapers would have carried advertisements for domestic staff in the 1920's. Lynette Surrey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara Clarke Sent: 22 June 2008 18:01 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] Servants Ken Poole wrote Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: [B'ham] Servants " I am always amazed at the youth of servants and sometimes their great > distance from > home. How were these people "hired" it just seems odd to me that 13 year old children were > let out to service.What were they paid? Etc." Hi Ken, My mother was in service from age about 14 years. Initially locally where she was a general maid and was paid fourteen shillings per calendar month. This would have been in around 1922/1923 in Berkshire. Her Dad's next door neighbour's daughter had a post in London and when another became vacant in the "big house" my mother wenr for interview and got the job as a parlour maid. She was paid £3.00 per calendar month, she was thrilled about this enormous raise. This was in central London and around 1924. I imagine most of those employed got the jobs by knowing someone already in the house. However it would be interesting to know if there was some other way. I also imagine that late eighteenth century pay would have been a lot less than my mother got. For country girls there was little other employment available and the families often could not afford to keep them at home. My paternal great grandmother was born in Cornwall in 1843 but was "in service" in London when she married in 1867. Barbara _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There was another way to gain employment for servants. Mop Fairs. Farm workers, labourers, servants and some craftsmen would work for their employer from October to October. At the end of the employment they would attend the Mop Fair dressed in their Sunday best clothes and carrying an item signifying their trade. A servant with no particular skills would carry a mop <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mop> head -- hence the phrase Mop Fair. Employers would move amongst them discussing experience and terms, once agreement was reached the employer would give the employee a small token of money and the employee would remove the item signifying their trade and wear bright ribbons to indicate they had been hired. They would then spend the token amongst the stalls set-up at the fair which would be selling food and drink and offering games to play. Michaelmas Day is celebrated on the 29th September but Mop Fairs were tied to the seasons and the harvest, not the calendar. When the Gregorian calendar <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar> was adopted in 1752 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1752> and 11 days dropped from that year events associated with the end of the harvest moved 11 days later to the 10th October. This date is known as "Old Michaelmas Day" and since 1752 has been the date Mop Fairs take place. Ray No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 22/06/2008 07:52

Hi Everyone Can anyone tell me if anything has changed at Edgbaston Old Church (St Bartholomews)? I have detail that an Alice Tredwell was buried there and have a very poor and indistinct picture of quite a large and grand looking vault. I did take a trip there last week but was surprised I couldn`t find it. Having searched on the internet I note present day pictures and old photos and note that there appear to be many many more tombstones in the old photos. Can anyone enlighten me as to what has happened and why the change? I would like to know what was written on Alice`s tomb. Many thanks. Cari

thank you for your first hand reply. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Clarke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Servants > > Ken Poole wrote > Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:49 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Servants > > > " I am always amazed at the youth of servants and sometimes their great >> distance from >> home. How were these people "hired" > it just seems odd to me that 13 year old children were >> let out to service.What were they paid? Etc." > > Hi Ken, > > My mother was in service from age about 14 years. Initially locally where > she was a general maid and was paid fourteen shillings per calendar month. > This would have been in around 1922/1923 in Berkshire. > Her Dad's next door neighbour's daughter had a post in London and when > another became vacant in the "big house" my mother wenr for interview and > got the job as a parlour maid. She was paid £3.00 per calendar month, she > was thrilled about this enormous raise. This was in central London and > around 1924. I imagine most of those employed got the jobs by knowing > someone already in the house. However it would be interesting to know if > there was some other way. > I also imagine that late eighteenth century pay would have been a lot less > than my mother got. > For country girls there was little other employment available and the > families often could not afford to keep them at home. My paternal great > grandmother was born in Cornwall in 1843 but was "in service" in London > when she married in 1867. > Barbara > > > >

Ken Poole wrote Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: [B'ham] Servants " I am always amazed at the youth of servants and sometimes their great > distance from > home. How were these people "hired" it just seems odd to me that 13 year old children were > let out to service.What were they paid? Etc." Hi Ken, My mother was in service from age about 14 years. Initially locally where she was a general maid and was paid fourteen shillings per calendar month. This would have been in around 1922/1923 in Berkshire. Her Dad's next door neighbour's daughter had a post in London and when another became vacant in the "big house" my mother wenr for interview and got the job as a parlour maid. She was paid £3.00 per calendar month, she was thrilled about this enormous raise. This was in central London and around 1924. I imagine most of those employed got the jobs by knowing someone already in the house. However it would be interesting to know if there was some other way. I also imagine that late eighteenth century pay would have been a lot less than my mother got. For country girls there was little other employment available and the families often could not afford to keep them at home. My paternal great grandmother was born in Cornwall in 1843 but was "in service" in London when she married in 1867. Barbara

<it just seems odd to me that 13 year old children were let out to service.> 13 year olds were not necessarily viewed as children. Depending on the year you are referring to girls for instance were already of a marriageable age, with parental consent. Chris

Hi Ken, Although there was a 'requirement' for children to go to school, very often parents could not afford to send them. Consequently many young children were put into service or gained employment as 'errand boys', thus they were less of a burden upon their parents who were struggling to make ends meet. Whilst I am not fully familiar with the agency in question, I am aware of a service in Birmingham during the late 1800's that acted as an agency for servants. Regards Jan > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:49:08 -0400> Subject: [B'ham] Servants> > I am always amazed at the youth of servants and sometimes their great > distance from> home. Is there a good article on this subject or does someone want to opine > on this> topic. How were these people "hired" did they answer adverts in the paper, > through> family, relations, it just seems odd to me that 13 year old children were > let out to service.> What were they paid? Etc.> Cheers> Ken> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:04 AM> Subject: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM Digest, Vol 3, Issue 270> > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > _____________________________________________> >> > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem.> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > Today's Topics:> >> > 1. 1901 Birmingham look up request. (rayb)> > 2. Re: 1901 Birmingham look up request. (Reg Wesson)> > 3. Re: 1901 Birmingham look up request. (David Carr)> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > To contact the ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM list administrator, send an email to> > [email protected]> >> > To post a message to the ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM mailing list, send an email > > to [email protected]> >> > __________________________________________________________> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected]> > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of the> > email with no additional text.> > > > > _____________________________________________> _____________________________________________> > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem.> > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected]> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/

Ken: Many "servants", particularly in lower and middle income families, were actually relatives - nephews, nieces, or cousins. People were usually happy to have one less mouth to feed. Of course, in the wealthier families this didn't apply. There is where servants are most often found from considerable distances away, and this was sometimes because the family had more than one residence around the country, and the servants moved between them. Best wishes Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Poole" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: [B'ham] Servants >I am always amazed at the youth of servants and sometimes their great > distance from > home. Is there a good article on this subject or does someone want to > opine > on this > topic. How were these people "hired" did they answer adverts in the > paper, > through > family, relations, it just seems odd to me that 13 year old children were > let out to service. > What were they paid? Etc. > Cheers > Ken > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:04 AM > Subject: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM Digest, Vol 3, Issue 270 > > >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on >> www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will >> then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your >> postem. >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. 1901 Birmingham look up request. (rayb) >> 2. Re: 1901 Birmingham look up request. (Reg Wesson) >> 3. Re: 1901 Birmingham look up request. (David Carr) >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To contact the ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM list administrator, send an email to >> [email protected] >> >> To post a message to the ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM mailing list, send an email >> to [email protected] >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >