Wow Paul, Thanks so much for that! What a great piece of information to add to my family history - I lived on Booth's Farm Rd., Great Barr in the early 1960s before we emigrated to the USA. Cheers Pam Bridenbecker Paul Gebhard wrote: > I've been browsing through a book that explains the origins of certain street >names in Birmingham, I found the following amusing:- > > Booth's Lane, Great Barr:- > > William BOOTH was a notorious forger and minter of false coins and on 28 March >1812 the military attacked his farmhouse in Great Barr (hence Booth's Farm Rd.); >the authorities found £3,000 in gnuine notes, 200 genuine guineas, £600 in >counterfeit silver coins and a large amount of forged notes. > > He was sent for trial at Stratford Assizes. Four years previously he had been >tried and acquitted for the murder of his brother. This time he was found >guilty. Booth was executed publicly on 15 August 1815, but the hangman bungled >the job and so the coiner had to be revived and hanged again two hours later. He >was buried at Handsworth Old Church and later removed elsewhere. > >Thus, Booth was tried twice, hanged twice and buried twice! > > Cheers > > "it's what's in the grooves that counts" > > >_____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > >Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi List, Seeking information on my Warwickshire families. I have just recently found some of my family. The list goes like this: Francis BRADLEY born Ireland ca. 1806, married Elizabeth DILLEY born Harbourn, Staffordshire, ca 1806 Children all born Birmingham: Henry 1827 , Francis 1830, James 1832, John 1836, Thomas 1841, George 1843, Eliza 1848, Caroline 1849. Elizabeth Betsey BRADLEY 1846, married Wm Philip JONES born Liverpool, Lancashire, 1844 married in 1864, Birmingham. Children of Elizabeth Betsey BRADLEY and Wm Philip JONES: *Elizabeth Eugenia (see below) Margaret Caroline 1867 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, Wm Henry 1869 Cowortsy, Shropshire, next 3 born in Birmingham, Flora Emma 1871, Lily 1875, Kerlette 1878, next 3 born in Yardley, Rose Eller 1879, Thomas Francis 1881 and Fred Charles 1888 . *Elizabeth Eugenia JONES 1st born ca. 1866, Birmingham, died Cleveland, Ohio, USA, married William JORDAN born 1868, Birmingham, died Cleveland. His parents were thought to be Frederick and Emma EWING JORDAN, both born Birmingham? Children of Elizabeth Eugenia JONES and Wm JORDAN, all born Birmingham: Beatrice Ann 1890, Roland 1892, Elizabeth 1894, Sidney 1896 and Violet (Dolly) 1900 I'm hoping someone is related to my family or knows something about them. I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Elizabeth Robbins, Canada > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you tried searching the census using just initials? You might find that she was in an institution where the age and place of birth is correct and often the occupation but her full name is not recorded. If you find a likely entry at, for example, Birmingham Asylum you may be able to get Admission Papers Creed Papers Discharge Records Patient Records Cheers Marlene Stephen wrote: >> No - she may have developed deafness as a result of noise at work - there >> were no laws regarding noise levels in the Victorian era, and the dumbness >> may be a result of being unable to hear questions directed at her. >> > > Hello again, > > Thanks to everyone who told me Sally is a nickname for Sarah; I never > knew that. It's surprising really because Sally isn't really any > shorter than Sarah; I thought the purpose of a nickname was to > abbreviate? > > I can see how someone working with heavy machinery could become deaf > but in the earlier censuses Sarah's husband was a silversmith and I > can't see that she ever worked, so is it unlikely that she would have > become deaf through noise at work? Would silversmiths make a lot of noise? > > I see that her husband (Richard) passed away after the 1871 census. In > 1881 there is a Sally at the workhouse but she is listed as "married" > rather than widowed. It also states she was born in Swan village, > Stafford, whereas my Sally in the earlier censuses was always listed > as being born in Birmingham. Does this mean it is unlikely to be my > Sally? > > In the 1891 census there is a Sally born in Birmingham listed as a > patient at the workhouse. This is the entry marked deaf and dumb. It > is not a tick in the column but the explicit words "deaf and dumb" so > it cannot be a mistake by the enumerator. It also says her marriage is > "unknown" presumably because she could not answer the question. > > What standard of living would a silversmith have? Is it likely that a > silversmith's widow would have to go to the workhouse? I just assumed > that silver being a precious metal that people in that trade would > have a comfortable living? > > Thanks, > Stephen. > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

In a message dated 6/26/2008 2:25:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I spent months investigating all of the possibilities until I finally discovered that the bride at the church immediately after mine had the same father's name (and numerically sequential certificates). They had accidentally copied one onto the other! I have something similar happen with the place of birth listed on a census - what I thought was a "breakthrough". After looking in vain for months there for a birth record (a SMITH no less) I came to realize that the person enumerated above my rellie was listed from this town. Gave up on that fast, and eventually found him. Kathryne **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

On 01 Jul, Stephen <[email protected]> wrote: > I see that her husband (Richard) passed away after the 1871 census. In > 1881 there is a Sally at the workhouse but she is listed as "married" > rather than widowed. It also states she was born in Swan village, > Stafford, whereas my Sally in the earlier censuses was always listed > as being born in Birmingham. Does this mean it is unlikely to be my > Sally? Swan Village is not that far from Birmingham. When you look at the map don't look at Stafford. Swan Village is in modern day Sandwell (I think - boundaries danced merrily over the years between Birmingham and Black Country and counties...) > In the 1891 census there is a Sally born in Birmingham listed as a > patient at the workhouse. This is the entry marked deaf and dumb. It > is not a tick in the column but the explicit words "deaf and dumb" so > it cannot be a mistake by the enumerator. It also says her marriage is > "unknown" presumably because she could not answer the question. > What standard of living would a silversmith have? Is it likely that a > silversmith's widow would have to go to the workhouse? I just assumed > that silver being a precious metal that people in that trade would > have a comfortable living? Don't forget that there were no pensions or welfare state in those days, and the workhouse was the only place for a disabled person to go, after all if she was deaf and dumb she couldn't easily work. If her husband hadn't taken out an annuity - or if he had and she had outlived it - then off to the workhouse it was. > Thanks, > Stephen. -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

This thread makes me smile as I have relatives that moved to both Rhyl (and ran and guest house) and Weston! On Wednesday, July 16, 2008, at 09:31 am, Jan Ward wrote: > From: " Jan Ward" <[email protected]> > Date: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:31:40 am Etc/GMT > To:

> No - she may have developed deafness as a result of noise at work - there > were no laws regarding noise levels in the Victorian era, and the dumbness > may be a result of being unable to hear questions directed at her. Hello again, Thanks to everyone who told me Sally is a nickname for Sarah; I never knew that. It's surprising really because Sally isn't really any shorter than Sarah; I thought the purpose of a nickname was to abbreviate? I can see how someone working with heavy machinery could become deaf but in the earlier censuses Sarah's husband was a silversmith and I can't see that she ever worked, so is it unlikely that she would have become deaf through noise at work? Would silversmiths make a lot of noise? I see that her husband (Richard) passed away after the 1871 census. In 1881 there is a Sally at the workhouse but she is listed as "married" rather than widowed. It also states she was born in Swan village, Stafford, whereas my Sally in the earlier censuses was always listed as being born in Birmingham. Does this mean it is unlikely to be my Sally? In the 1891 census there is a Sally born in Birmingham listed as a patient at the workhouse. This is the entry marked deaf and dumb. It is not a tick in the column but the explicit words "deaf and dumb" so it cannot be a mistake by the enumerator. It also says her marriage is "unknown" presumably because she could not answer the question. What standard of living would a silversmith have? Is it likely that a silversmith's widow would have to go to the workhouse? I just assumed that silver being a precious metal that people in that trade would have a comfortable living? Thanks, Stephen.

Saturday, June 28, 2008, 7:20:41 AM, you wrote: > You don't give any birth date or place of birth for Elizabeth or > the daughter's family name so I can check that I am > looking for the right Elizabeth. Oops! I forgot to tell you all, sorry. Elizabeth was born c. 1828. She was living with the Gumbley family in the 1891 census. I think this makes the lady in West Brom too old to be the one.

Hi List, Seeking information on my Warwickshire families. I have just recently found some of my family. The list goes like this: Francis BRADLEY born Ireland ca. 1806, married Elizabeth DILLEY born Harbourn, Staffordshire, ca 1806 Children all born Birmingham: Henry 1827, Francis 1830, James 1832, John 1836, Thomas 1841, George 1843, Eliza 1848, Caroline 1849. Elizabeth Betsey BRADLEY 1846, married Wm Philip JONES born Birmingham 1844 married in 1864, Birmingham. Children of Elizabeth Betsey BRADLEY and Wm Philip JONES: Margaret C 1867, Wm H 1869, Flora E 1871, Fred born? . Elizabeth Eugenia JONES born ca. 1866, Birmingham, died Cleveland, Ohio, USA, married William JORDAN born 1868 Birmingham, died Cleveland. His parents were thought to be Frederick and Emma EWING JORDAN, both born Birmingham. Children of Elizabeth Eugenia JONES and Wm JORDAN, all born Birmingham: Beatrice Ann 1890, Roland 1892, Elizabeth 1894, Sidney 1896 and Violet (Dolly) 1900 I'm hoping someone is related to my family or knows something about them. I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Elizabeth Robbins, Canada

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Stephen, You don't give any birth date or place of birth for Elizabeth or the daughter's family name so I can check that I am looking for the right Elizabeth. Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: [B'ham] Elizabeth Rice missing between 1891-1901 Hello, Elizabeth Rice is living with her daughter's family in Birmingham the 1891 census but she is not living with them in 1901 in Wolverhampton. I am wondering if she passed away between 1891 and 1901? I have looked at the GRO images for each quarter from 1891 and 1901 but I can't find her. There was an entry for an E Rice in Wolverhampton, IIRC about 1906 but it turns out that E Rice was a spinster, so is not the same lady. Could SKS double-check to see if I have either missed her death or missed her in the 1901 census? Thanks, Stephen. _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1522 - Release Date: 6/27/2008 8:27 AM

Could this be the one Deaths Dec 1893 RICE Elizabeth 71 W. Bromwich 6b 539 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:13:54 +0100> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: [B'ham] Elizabeth Rice missing between 1891-1901> > Hello,> > Elizabeth Rice is living with her daughter's family in Birmingham the> 1891 census but she is not living with them in 1901 in Wolverhampton.> I am wondering if she passed away between 1891 and 1901? I have looked> at the GRO images for each quarter from 1891 and 1901 but I can't find> her. There was an entry for an E Rice in Wolverhampton, IIRC about> 1906 but it turns out that E Rice was a spinster, so is not the same> lady. Could SKS double-check to see if I have either missed her death> or missed her in the 1901 census?> > Thanks,> Stephen.> > _____________________________________________> _____________________________________________> > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem.> > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected]> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get Messenger on your mobile, text MSN to 63463 now! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/messenger.aspx

Hello, Elizabeth Rice is living with her daughter's family in Birmingham the 1891 census but she is not living with them in 1901 in Wolverhampton. I am wondering if she passed away between 1891 and 1901? I have looked at the GRO images for each quarter from 1891 and 1901 but I can't find her. There was an entry for an E Rice in Wolverhampton, IIRC about 1906 but it turns out that E Rice was a spinster, so is not the same lady. Could SKS double-check to see if I have either missed her death or missed her in the 1901 census? Thanks, Stephen.

Stephen, Regards Edwin & William Gumbley can you please get in touch? [email protected] Ken B No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1521 - Release Date: 26/06/2008 11:20 AM

Could I add that at my marriage in Sydney 1962, a Rev. Gumbley was filling in for the absent minister. He gave me my marriage cert( checked the next day) and he had the wrong date on it. Of course I had it changed when I came back from honeymoon. Then when doing Family History 40 years later, I have discovered I have no parents listed, BUT the next entry in the register( a week later) has my parents as their witnesses. Obviously this Rev Gumbley didn't like paper work???? Margaret

I have found the birth of an Annie Louisa BURRIDGE in 1873 in Devon; I've found her born in Heavitree with her ma and pa on the 1881 (can't find 'em on the 1891 though); found a marriage for what looks like her to possibly either a Luther LEE or a George Charles S. POLLARD in 1893, but can't find her (if indeed she is the only Annie Louisa BURRIDGE) on the 1901 or marrying a George GRIFFITHS. So, am I "up the Orinoko without a paddle?" !!!!!  Cheers > > Hello > My first cousin once removed is a Keith GRIFFITHS, his mum was a "GEBHARD" > (younger sister to my granddad by no less than  21 years!). She was a lovely > lady and I have a lot to thank her for as it was she that kicked me up the > bottom to try and research our "family tree". > Anyway, my male line is obviously Keith's female one and I've finally got round > to trying to sort out his GRIFFITHS stuff. The birth cert for his granddad a > William Thomas GRIFFITHS on 22 Sep 1901 gives parents as George GRIFFITHS and > Annie Louisa BURRIDGE (whether this was their first child I have no way of > knowing - but it's just the "wrong side" of the 1901 census - damn it!). > I can only find the birth of one Annie Louisa BURRIDGE (in Devon) but can't > find her marriage to a George GRIFFITHS (I wonder if she had been married > before?). Need to identify the correct George GRIFFITHS. > Any ideas please >   > Paul GEBHARD > June 2008 > > "it's what's in the grooves that counts"

Hello All Does anyone have any knowledge or information about the Underwood family? particularity.NATHANIEL UNDERWOOD Only information i possess from parish records is ALBERT UNDERWOOD 25 sugar boiler son of NATHANIEL UNDERWOOD Married Feb 1890 IN Oxford 1891 census shows ALBERT born Birmingham Warwickshire Any help or suggestions please thank you James ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

I spent months looking for the marriage of my gg grandfather, William Argent, only to discover that he had married under the name Mark Hargent! Jenny ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Hello My first cousin once removed is a Keith GRIFFITHS, his mum was a "GEBHARD" (younger sister to my granddad by no less than  21 years!). She was a lovely lady and I have a lot to thank her for as it was she that kicked me up the bottom to try and research our "family tree". Anyway, my male line is obviously Keith's female one and I've finally got round to trying to sort out his GRIFFITHS stuff. The birth cert for his granddad a William Thomas GRIFFITHS on 22 Sep 1901 gives parents as George GRIFFITHS and Annie Louisa BURRIDGE (whether this was their first child I have no way of knowing - but it's just the "wrong side" of the 1901 census - damn it!). I can only find the birth of one Annie Louisa GRIFFITHS (in Devon) but can't find her marriage to a George GRIFFITHS (I wonder if she had been married before?). Need to identify the correct George GRIFFITHS. Any ideas please   Paul GEBHARD June 2008 "it's what's in the grooves that counts"

On 26 Jun, Stephen <[email protected]> wrote: > The census says she was deaf and dumb, yet in the previous censuses > she was not listed as such. Does this mean that this lady is unlikely > to be the one I seek? Just a thought, have you checked that she is the only one on the page with deaf/dumb ticked? Sometimes the enumerators used this column to mark off the records as they checked them into the book. Chris