Hi Chris Remember that seaside resorts had become popular even before the advent of motor vehicles, so the choices of destination would initially have been determined by accessibility by rail. This is what enabled certain seaside towns to prosper in the first place. Weston Super Mare was certainly easily accessible in this way. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Cole" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Days Out from B'ham 1914 > > Thanks to all who replied. > > It looks as though Weston Super Mare is the favoured place, I'll start > some > investigations there. > > Those Charabancs seem a pretty uncomfortable way to travel 100 plus miles. > Would they really have gone that far in such transport? > > My grandmother remembered a very happy day at the seaside, the first time > she had ever been there. I'm wondering if she really did travel by > charabanc. I suppose too that I have to remember her memories may be > coloured as they are tied in with the last time she saw her favourite big > brother > > Thanks again, > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > > > Weston Super Mare has always been a popular resort for Brummies to visit > too! even today (although I can't imagine why!) > > the Charabang would have been a large vehicle open with no roof- probably > a > 6 cylinder engine- like a small bus ... uncomfortable to ride in but they > were common around this time, probably had solid rubber tyres and little > suspension to think of unless they had pneumatic tyres by this time- ... > Don't forget in the days when these vehicles were around, we didn't have > any > motorways so the day trip would have been labourious & they wouldn't have > driven too far.... > > Mike > > > > > >

Distances by ROAD from Birmingham Central Library 1) Weston Super Mare  167 Kilometres 2) Rhyl 196 Kilometres 3) Barmouth 204 Kilometres, Blackpool 204 Kilometres  Cheers "it's what's in the grooves that counts" ----- Original Message ---- > From: D&P Veasey <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 1:41:32 PM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Days Out from B'ham 1914 > > Hi Chris > > Remember that seaside resorts had become popular even before the advent of > motor vehicles, so the choices of  destination would initially have been > determined by accessibility by rail.  This is what enabled certain seaside > towns to prosper in the first place.  Weston Super Mare was certainly easily > accessible in this way. > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Cole" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Days Out from B'ham 1914

Hi Chris There are some really good pictures on Google images using Charabang or Charabanc as search words You will see that many have solid tyres and a canvas folding tilt to the rear, so there was at least some protection from the elements, I will bet you had a very numb bu* when you got back though <g> There is plenty of evidence that they did go quite some distance for a day trip, off early and back late, I have been on several more modern versions using a coach, generally finishing with a few beers and a sing song on the way back :-) No spy in the cab back then, the tachograph a thing of the future Unless you were quite well off and could afford your own car this might be the only way you would get to the seaside bar the trains Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > Thanks to all who replied. > > It looks as though Weston Super Mare is the favoured place, I'll start > some > investigations there. > > Those Charabancs seem a pretty uncomfortable way to travel 100 plus miles. > Would they really have gone that far in such transport? > > My grandmother remembered a very happy day at the seaside, the first time > she had ever been there. I'm wondering if she really did travel by > charabanc. I suppose too that I have to remember her memories may be > coloured as they are tied in with the last time she saw her favourite big > brother > > Thanks again, > Chris

Thanks to all who replied. It looks as though Weston Super Mare is the favoured place, I'll start some investigations there. Those Charabancs seem a pretty uncomfortable way to travel 100 plus miles. Would they really have gone that far in such transport? My grandmother remembered a very happy day at the seaside, the first time she had ever been there. I'm wondering if she really did travel by charabanc. I suppose too that I have to remember her memories may be coloured as they are tied in with the last time she saw her favourite big brother Thanks again, Chris -----Original Message----- Weston Super Mare has always been a popular resort for Brummies to visit too! even today (although I can't imagine why!) the Charabang would have been a large vehicle open with no roof- probably a 6 cylinder engine- like a small bus ... uncomfortable to ride in but they were common around this time, probably had solid rubber tyres and little suspension to think of unless they had pneumatic tyres by this time- ... Don't forget in the days when these vehicles were around, we didn't have any motorways so the day trip would have been labourious & they wouldn't have driven too far.... Mike

  Tken from "The Streets of Brum" by Carl CHINN Bacchus Road, Winson Green/Handsworth Not named after the Greek God, it’s named after George BACCHUS part owner of the “Union Glass Works”. He was also a leading citizen and in the 1830’s he was prominent for pushing for rail links with London & Liverpool, (originally Bacchus Rd. was named Gibb Heath Rd.)   Barrack Street, Ashted. After the Church and King Riots of 1791 the government leased 5 acres of land from Heneage LEGGE in Duddeston. These barracks were demolished in the 1930’s and were replaced by the Ashcroft Estate.   Beales Street, Aston Edmund BEALES was an officer in the Birmingham branch of the Reform League and helped bring about the Second Reform Act of 1867 which gave the vote to the skilled of the working class in towns and cities.   Blucher Street, Lea Bank Marshall Gebhard Lebercht von Blucher led the Prussian forces that were crucial in the Duke of Wellington’s victory at Waterloo (the nearby Marshall St. is also named after him). Born in 1742 he went straight into the army. A heavy drinker and womaniser (he’s not related to me, honest!) Gebhard was an aggressive and brave leader. The Singers Hill Synagogue was opened in this street in 1856.   Camp Hill Named after Graham NORTON (only kidding!). Stories suggest that Prince Rupert and his forces made their base on this hill before they attacked Birmingham in the Civil War of 1643. More likely is that it is a  derivation of Kempe Hill (after John KEMPE as in John Kempe Way).   Cotton Lane, Moseley In the 1760’s a builder and timber merchant George COTTON bought the lease of some land in Moseley. The family was prominent in the district for many years.

Can anyone help me with information on the Cadbury or Woodall families? I understand that one of the Cadbury's (George) - grandson of John Cadbury (1801-1889) opened a nursery school in honour of his wife , who was Edith Woodall. She died in 1935. I have no birth date for George, but he died 27 Sept 1954. Where would the school be located? Many thanks, Ros (South Australia)

I agree about Weston being a possible candidate. Or Barry Island in South Wales, which is a similar distance away - it's also a favourite on mine, so I had to mention it LOL Kate Find me on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690801684 My personal blog http://myportfolio.exofire.net/itisiagain My family history blog http://katesfamilytree.wordpress.com

Hi Paul While I would agree with you that Weston, Rhyl and Blackpool were more likely destinations, the roads were not that bad actually I can only speak for my experiences from Leicester but the roads were not as congested as today (and I suspect a lot of them were in better condition as well) Skeg and Hunstanton were the more likely destinations for us but trips were also made to North Wales, Blackpool and Weston etc , I suspect that Brummies did the same in reverse The A47 picks up not far from Brum and runs all the way to Kings Lynn And I would agree that trips were made to all sorts of places, Parks, Houses, Gardens etc, in fact anywhere to get away for the day, what bliss Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > But the journey times would be very different, because of where the roads > go.. Hunstanton, Skegness and Aberystwyth would be long days out from > Birmingham even now. > > I agree that Weston, Blackpool and Rhyl were the front runners for seaside > destinations; although days out by charabanc weren't by any means only to > the seaside. > > Best wishes > > Paul Prescott

Weston Super Mare has always been a popular resort for Brummies to visit too! even today (although I can't imagine why!) the Charabang would have been a large vehicle open with no roof- probably a 6 cylinder engine- like a small bus with the "Cruella De Ville" wings over the wheels that you see on the old films- uncomfortable to ride in but they were common around this time, probably had solid rubber tyres and little suspension to think of unless they had pneumatic tyres by this time- I've a photo of my relatives packed in a Charabang off for a day trip from Victoria Park Bakeries (60, Corbett Street Smethwick) with all the staff in their best outfits off for an annual day trip (treat from the boss!) - Wales was also popular at the time so to the Lakes and Peak District but these diestinations would have been chosen for weekend or weekly visits- you could probably narrow the destinations down to closer resorts since they were uncomfortable, and for a day trip, and the speed they went, you wouldn't want to go too far....not to mention our unpredictable weather!! Don't forget in the days when these vehicles were around, we didn't have any motorways so the day trip would have been labourious & they wouldn't have driven too far.... Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Carr" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:11 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [B'ham] Days Out from B'ham 1814 > Hi Chris > > I can only speak for our family in the 50s but it was always Rhyl! > > Dave > > On 14 Jul 2008, at 17:55, Graham Cole wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > I wonder if anyone can narrow my search. > > I have a small pottery house bought by my grandmother for her mother. > The > house itself I don't think has a monetary value but it was purchased > while > on a day trip to the seaside on the day WW1 broke out. The house has > been > kept in memory of her elder brother because he helped to choose the gift > and > this was the last day the family saw him. Being a soldier he had to > leave > immediately for the front > > My question is; Does anyone know which seaside places were popular and in > reach for a day trip from Birmingham in 1914? I am trying to work out > where > my grandmother and her brother were that day. I seem to recall her > saying > that they went on a "charabanc" but can't be sure about that. > > Thanks in advance, > Chris > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your > postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Chris, Those children are all on FREE BMD except for Susan Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: [B'ham] Tuckley > Hi list > > I've noticed that I have a gap in one of my Tuckley families on the 1871 > census. I have them from 1841 to 1901, but not this particular bunch of > Tuckleys! I wonder if any of you can find them for me? Please note, when > you are looking, there is another bunch of Tuckleys with similar names in > the 1871 but they are born in Derby and living in Birmingham, and I'm not > after them. > > John b 1831 Birmingham > Emma b 1831 Birmingham > Mary Ann b 1857 Aston > Emma b 1861 Aston > Selina b 1863 Birmingham > Susan b 1864 Birmingham > John Thomas b 1869 Birmingham > George b 1870 Birmingham > > I spent a large part of Saturday night searching for them to no avail on > Ancestry, but perhaps someone out there may have some better search > techniques than I do! > > Cheers > > -- > Chris Pampling > > researching: > > > > BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, > MAHER > > all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day > > PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present > > VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1552 - Release Date: > 14/07/2008 6:28 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1552 - Release Date: 14/07/2008 6:28 PM

re Weston 'many Brummies migrated there' they still do! Or thereabouts. J Jilly <[email protected]> wrote: Hi there Day trips from Birmingham - without being flip - because Brum was in the centre one could get to many coastal resorts on the old "chara" and back in one day; Most popular places were Rhyl and West Super Mare ( Westons coat of arms including some of Birmingham facets because many Brummies migrated there and help build the town). So these two will give you a sense of distance. Jilly ( Brummie migrant to Wales having lived in Weston Super Mare!) _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

But the journey times would be very different, because of where the roads go.. Hunstanton, Skegness and Aberystwyth would be long days out from Birmingham even now. I agree that Weston, Blackpool and Rhyl were the front runners for seaside destinations; although days out by charabanc weren't by any means only to the seaside. Best wishes Paul Prescott > > Brum to Hunstanton 135 miles > Brum to Weston super Mare 114 miles > Brum to Blackpool 126 miles > Brum to Skegness 135 miles > Brum to Rhyl 124 miles > Brum to Aberystwyth 122 miles > > Not a great deal in it really

Forwarded from the Warwick list, with Alf's permission. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "alf" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: [WAR] Brum library > Hi folks, > > just a warning to anyone contemplating a visit to central library > tomorrow(Wednesday) or Thursday. As a consequense of industrial action > it will be closed > > regards > Alf FANTHAM > Kings Norton > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the 1920's my father re-covered the folding canvas roof of a Charabanc belonging to Charles Hull's Garage at Hockley Heath on the Birmingham / Stratford Road. Dad had purchased a Singer hand drive sewing machine to tackle the job, the remarkable thing was that Dad had lost his left hand badly injured his right hand so that he could only move two fingers and his thumb. This was before he had married Mum and the sewing machine was used by all the family until 1950. I found it difficult to use it with two thicknesses of ordinary material, how Dad managed the long length of the roof I will never know. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Chatfield" <[email protected]> <Wikipedia says this; A charabanc (pronounced sha-ra-bang) [also spelt "char-à-banc"] is a type of horse-drawn vehicle or motor coach, usually open-topped, common in Britain

Hi Chris Wikipedia says this; A charabanc (pronounced sha-ra-bang) [also spelt "char-à-banc"] is a type of horse-drawn vehicle or motor coach, usually open-topped, common in Britain during the early part of the 20th century. It was especially popular for sight-seeing or " works outings" to the country or the seaside, organised by businesses once a year. The name derives from the French char à bancs ("carriage with wooden benches"), [1] the vehicle having originated in France in the early 19th century.[2] Although the vehicle has not been common on the roads for several decades, a few signs survive from the charabancs' era. A notable example at Wookey Hole in Somerset warns that the road to the neighbouring village of Easton is unsuitable for charabancs. The original charabanc, in France, was a long, light, four-wheeled, wagonette-like carriage, usually open or curtained only at the sides, and often with no roof. It had several rows of benched seats extending across its width and facing forward. Pulled by up to six horses, it was used by private owners to convey guests on excursions. It was soon adopted in Britain, where two horses were used. It was employed to carry large groups of people as a public conveyance or for outings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Cole" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:55 AM Subject: [B'ham] Days Out from B'ham 1814 > > > > Hi All, > > I wonder if anyone can narrow my search. > > I have a small pottery house bought by my grandmother for her mother. The > house itself I don't think has a monetary value but it was purchased while > on a day trip to the seaside on the day WW1 broke out. The house has been > kept in memory of her elder brother because he helped to choose the gift > and > this was the last day the family saw him. Being a soldier he had to leave > immediately for the front > > My question is; Does anyone know which seaside places were popular and in > reach for a day trip from Birmingham in 1914? I am trying to work out > where > my grandmother and her brother were that day. I seem to recall her saying > that they went on a "charabanc" but can't be sure about that. > > Thanks in advance, > Chris > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1552 - Release Date: 7/14/2008 > 6:28 PM > > >

Hi all Brum to Hunstanton 135 miles Brum to Weston super Mare 114 miles Brum to Blackpool 126 miles Brum to Skegness 135 miles Brum to Rhyl 124 miles Brum to Aberystwyth 122 miles Not a great deal in it really Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi there > > Day trips from Birmingham - without being flip - because Brum was in the > centre one could get to many coastal resorts on the old "chara" and back > in one day; > > Most popular places were Rhyl and West Super Mare ( Westons coat of arms > including some of Birmingham facets because many Brummies migrated there > and help build the town). > > So these two will give you a sense of distance. > > Jilly ( Brummie migrant to Wales having lived in Weston Super Mare!)

I will opt for Rhyl, my father and all his extended family for 2 generations when there every summer for 2 weeks camping, sometimes up to 30 family members at a time. Their other place for occasional holidays and day trips was Evesham Julie

Hi there Day trips from Birmingham - without being flip - because Brum was in the centre one could get to many coastal resorts on the old "chara" and back in one day; Most popular places were Rhyl and West Super Mare ( Westons coat of arms including some of Birmingham facets because many Brummies migrated there and help build the town). So these two will give you a sense of distance. Jilly ( Brummie migrant to Wales having lived in Weston Super Mare!)

On 15 Jul, Shirley Swinnerton <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Regarding your Tuckleys > > My cousin has a whole range of them and i wonder if any of them belong to you > If you could let me have your email address I will forward an email he > has sent to meshirley swinnerton> Replied off list. -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

On 15 Jul, Kenneth William Bibb <[email protected]> wrote: > Chris, > Those children are all on FREE BMD except for Susan > Ken B Hi Ken Thanks for the information. I've actually got fuller details for these (and a whole lot more) because I spent a rainy afternoon in Birmingham archives with the parish registers! There were quite a few who were born and unfortunately died between censuses and so would not be recorded anywhere else. Cheers > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:52 PM > Subject: [B'ham] Tuckley > > Hi list > > > > I've noticed that I have a gap in one of my Tuckley families on the 1871 > > census. I have them from 1841 to 1901, but not this particular bunch of > > Tuckleys! I wonder if any of you can find them for me? Please note, when > > you are looking, there is another bunch of Tuckleys with similar names in > > the 1871 but they are born in Derby and living in Birmingham, and I'm not > > after them. > > > > John b 1831 Birmingham > > Emma b 1831 Birmingham > > Mary Ann b 1857 Aston > > Emma b 1861 Aston > > Selina b 1863 Birmingham > > Susan b 1864 Birmingham > > John Thomas b 1869 Birmingham > > George b 1870 Birmingham > > > > I spent a large part of Saturday night searching for them to no avail on > > Ancestry, but perhaps someone out there may have some better search > > techniques than I do! > > > > Cheers > > > > -- > > Chris Pampling > > > > researching: > > > > > > > > BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, > > MAHER > > > > all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day > > > > PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present > > > > VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present > > _____________________________________________ > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1552 - Release Date: > > 14/07/2008 6:28 PM > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1552 - Release Date: 14/07/2008 6:28 PM > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present