You could look at the Historical Directories site. http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/findbykeyword.asp I haven't yet found a WILSON who is a baker - but you might if you search more thoroughly HTH Anne On 20 Jul 2008, at 06:58, Phil wrote: > Hello list, > My great grandfather, Charles Wilson (1868-1964) apparently ran a > bakery in the Aston or West Bromwich area at the turn of the > century, it was a big enough operation to include a few delivery > wagons etc. > > Would anybody know where abouts I might be able to find details > about this ? Web based or other ? > > > Regards > > Phil

If I remember correctly the jewelry quarter has a museum where some of these questions might be answered. I come from a long line of silver and tin smiths, my grandfather being one and he served an apprenticeship up to the age of 21 and then came directly to the USA. He owned a jewelry company in Providence RI for many years from 1920 to 1955. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] silversmiths > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected] >> I found a member of my distant family worked as a silversmith. Would >> this have been a good job? I'm wondering whether when he died, would >> there likely have been enough money to support his widow or would she >> have had to work or go to the workhouse?> > > I would think that very much depended on his employer as some of them were > good and others not so! > > Can you give us any more information such as names and dates, etc. If you > know who they worked for and what to find out more then Birmingham Central > Library archives holds a lot of information > > Lesley > > >

Hi .I am also a xbrum and I remember going in them and when I came to Melbourne in 1947 we used the furniture vans For our club fishing trips all over the state . Regards Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Days Out from B'ham 1814 > Now this rings a chord with me here in Melbourne Australia. > > In my long distant childhood, about 50-60 years ago, we used to go on > Sunday > School picnics. We hired furniture vans that had some seats loosely > bolted > in - four rows facing sideways - one down each side then a back to back > row > in the middle. Pretty basic! The only bit to let in daylight was the > back > of the truck - they put the bottom part up but left the top, so from about > ten year old waist height up, open. We sang and sang and had great fun. > Not a seat belt in sight - not that they had been thought of then. > > I am guessing our furniture vans were the (perhaps slightly later) > Australian equivalent of the English Charabanc. > > Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike > Fisher > Sent: Wednesday, 16 July 2008 10:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [B'ham] Days Out from B'ham 1814 > > Hi All > > I heard that some of the "charabangs" (as pronounced is my childhood) had > lorry bodies on during the week and the coach/seating body was put on > Friday > > night for weekend outings. > > Mike Fisher in Droitwich born Loveday St > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk > , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to > make > contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 3271 (20080716) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1556 - Release Date: 16/07/2008 > 4:56 PM > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected] > I found a member of my distant family worked as a silversmith. Would > this have been a good job? I'm wondering whether when he died, would > there likely have been enough money to support his widow or would she > have had to work or go to the workhouse?> I would think that very much depended on his employer as some of them were good and others not so! Can you give us any more information such as names and dates, etc. If you know who they worked for and what to find out more then Birmingham Central Library archives holds a lot of information Lesley

I cannot help you about your Seager family I'm sorry. I would think that Tile Hill is in Coventry not Birmingham so not sure if that helps you at all and "Logells" is meant to be, I would think Lozells in Birmingham which is near to the city centre and a very old part. Lesley

I am trying to trace the family of Seager. The daughter Ellen Jane, married Alfred Arnold in St John's Parish church Westwood, Stoneleigh on 23.9.1857. The address of both is given as Tile Hill By 1860 there address is given as 1 St George St. Brealey Street West, Parish of St George, Birmingham. The firm was known as Thomas Acott. - and employed 15 men and 2 boys at the 1851 census Catherine Seager, Ellen's mother, was a Hobson. She died in Birmingham. Her husband is said to have been a minister. Ellen Arnold the grand-daughter is supposed to have been born at Barker Street, Logells, Birmingham in 1858 or 9. Can anybody help me, please? Ros from Adelaide, South Australia.

Stephen, What erta are we talking about? The Arnold family I am tracing had jewellers. Alfred worked for one called Arcott (maybe a father-in-law) before taking over the business. He then migrated to Australia in 1879 with a family, but there is some evidence that whoever took over the firm kept the business name for a number of years. His widow was OK, but whether as the result of the work in Birmingham, or later results from work in Australia, I am not sure. Ros, (South Australia.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: [B ham] silversmiths Hello, I found a member of my distant family worked as a silversmith. Would this have been a good job? I'm wondering whether when he died, would there likely have been enough money to support his widow or would she have had to work or go to the workhouse? Thanks, Stephen. _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 7/17/2008 10:56:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello, I found a member of my distant family worked as a silversmith. Would this have been a good job? I'm wondering whether when he died, would there likely have been enough money to support his widow or would she have had to work or go to the workhouse? Thanks, Stephen. Hi, My GOODBY ancestors were mostly Silversmiths and Goldsmiths and made a very decent living with that trade. I still have relatives in the Jewellery Quarter in Birmingham. Georgina Goodby Fisher [email protected] formerly from Sutton Coldfield now in Orange, California 6 miles east of Disneyland _www.goodbytree.org_ (http://www.goodbytree.org/) Goons member #418 One Name Study Goodby **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Hi, Listers! I too have been fascinated by the holiday thread. In the early 1900s my family used to frequently visit rellies in Penrith, Cumberland, which is quite a distance from Brum. Their side also visited us in Small Heath. I do not know how we got there, but we did have a motorcycle with a sidecar in the 1920s, but when we first got it I do not know; I have a picture of it in St. Benedict's Road. Generally, Weston Super Mare was our holiday/vacation destination, by train, motorcycle and sidecar, and after WW II, car. After WW II, Weymouth became popular. For day trips in the early 1900s, especially with the Plymouth Brethren Church, they went to the Lickey Hills, Evesham, Stonebridge, Hampton in Arden, and Kenilworth. Many could be safely bicycled to, especially before the days of heavy car traffic, caravans and coaches. My Dad in the late 1920s often cycled 100 miles in a day, so all would have been in reach for him, including WSM, though he would have to stay overnight. All the best, David (Beecham) PA-USA, where temperatures of 95 F and high humidity is going to make playing tennis a hot prospect this weekend. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

You don't give his address - was it in the Jewellery Quarter of Birmingham? The odds are that he was an employee in one of the many small workshops there or what is now known as an outworker and working in his own home. The occupations of his immediate family (if any) would be a good pointer. Mike Birmingham, England ----- Original Message ----- > I found a member of my distant family worked as a silversmith. Would > this have been a good job? I'm wondering whether when he died, would > there likely have been enough money to support his widow or would she > have had to work or go to the workhouse? > Stephen.

Hello, I found a member of my distant family worked as a silversmith. Would this have been a good job? I'm wondering whether when he died, would there likely have been enough money to support his widow or would she have had to work or go to the workhouse? Thanks, Stephen.

Chris, I must add my tuppenny worth into this subject, from Brum, Midland Red Coaches ran many a day trip even week-end to Blackpool illuminations. More so on the west coast than the east. Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Cole" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Days Out from B'ham 1914 > > Thanks to all who replied. > > It looks as though Weston Super Mare is the favoured place, I'll start > some > investigations there. > > Those Charabancs seem a pretty uncomfortable way to travel 100 plus miles. > Would they really have gone that far in such transport? > > My grandmother remembered a very happy day at the seaside, the first time > she had ever been there. I'm wondering if she really did travel by > charabanc. I suppose too that I have to remember her memories may be > coloured as they are tied in with the last time she saw her favourite big > brother > > Thanks again, > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > > > Weston Super Mare has always been a popular resort for Brummies to visit > too! even today (although I can't imagine why!) > > the Charabang would have been a large vehicle open with no roof- probably > a > 6 cylinder engine- like a small bus ... uncomfortable to ride in but they > were common around this time, probably had solid rubber tyres and little > suspension to think of unless they had pneumatic tyres by this time- ... > Don't forget in the days when these vehicles were around, we didn't have > any > motorways so the day trip would have been labourious & they wouldn't have > driven too far.... > > Mike > > > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1556 - Release Date: 16/07/2008 > 4:56 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1556 - Release Date: 16/07/2008 4:56 PM

Now this rings a chord with me here in Melbourne Australia. In my long distant childhood, about 50-60 years ago, we used to go on Sunday School picnics. We hired furniture vans that had some seats loosely bolted in - four rows facing sideways - one down each side then a back to back row in the middle. Pretty basic! The only bit to let in daylight was the back of the truck - they put the bottom part up but left the top, so from about ten year old waist height up, open. We sang and sang and had great fun. Not a seat belt in sight - not that they had been thought of then. I am guessing our furniture vans were the (perhaps slightly later) Australian equivalent of the English Charabanc. Dawn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Fisher Sent: Wednesday, 16 July 2008 10:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] Days Out from B'ham 1814 Hi All I heard that some of the "charabangs" (as pronounced is my childhood) had lorry bodies on during the week and the coach/seating body was put on Friday night for weekend outings. Mike Fisher in Droitwich born Loveday St _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 3271 (20080716) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Thanks for the comments on Edith Cabury nursery. It is know on my list of things to see in Birmingham when I get there in August. Meanwhile I am fascinating with the thread about holidays from Birmingham. Has anybody any insights in what an earlier generation would have done? My interest is the 1860-70s before the Arnold family migrated to Adelaide. Ros from Adelaie, South Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth William Bibb To: ENG-WARKS Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: [B ham] cadbury Ros, Yes. Edith Cadburt Nursery school is on Google. Ken B No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.11/1554 - Release Date: 15/07/2008 6:03 PM _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 17 Jul, Ros Gooden <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the comments on Edith Cabury nursery. It is know on my list > of things to see in Birmingham when I get there in August. > Meanwhile I am fascinating with the thread about holidays from > Birmingham. Has anybody any insights in what an earlier generation > would have done? My interest is the 1860-70s before the Arnold family > migrated to Adelaide. I don't think there were such things as holidays then, although Thomas Cook started out organising day trips from Leicester on trains. The nearest thing to holidays Brummies used to get was going hop picking in the fields of Worcestershire. > Ros from Adelaie, South Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kenneth William Bibb > To: ENG-WARKS > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:18 PM > Subject: [B ham] cadbury > Ros, > Yes. Edith Cadburt Nursery school is on Google. > Ken B > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.11/1554 - Release Date: 15/07/2008 6:03 PM > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

When I was a lad in the 1950s and 60s the term "charabanc" was still widely in use, but it meant what we would now simply call a coach. It was indeed pronounced "sharra-bang"", and often abbreviated to "sharra". best wishes Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fisher" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Days Out from B'ham 1814 > Hi All > > I heard that some of the "charabangs" (as pronounced is my childhood) had > lorry bodies on during the week and the coach/seating body was put on > Friday > night for weekend outings. > > Mike Fisher in Droitwich born Loveday St > > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all I remember being taken to all the places so far mentioned and also Porthcawl when I was a nipper. Wherever we went on a day trip had to have a pub on the seafront. Grandad and Dad retired to the pub, kids to the beach, mom gravitated between both! Grandad and Dad used to grace the beach when the pub closed after lunch. Best wishes to you all Jan Ward - South Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Days Out from B'ham 1814 > Hi Paul > > While I would agree with you that Weston, Rhyl and Blackpool were more > likely destinations, the roads were not that bad actually > > I can only speak for my experiences from Leicester but the roads were not > as > congested as today (and I suspect a lot of them were in better condition > as > well) > > Skeg and Hunstanton were the more likely destinations for us but trips > were > also made to North Wales, Blackpool and Weston etc , I suspect that > Brummies > did the same in reverse > > The A47 picks up not far from Brum and runs all the way to Kings Lynn > > And I would agree that trips were made to all sorts of places, Parks, > Houses, Gardens etc, in fact anywhere to get away for the day, what bliss > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > >> But the journey times would be very different, because of where the roads >> go.. Hunstanton, Skegness and Aberystwyth would be long days out from >> Birmingham even now. >> >> I agree that Weston, Blackpool and Rhyl were the front runners for >> seaside >> destinations; although days out by charabanc weren't by any means only to >> the seaside. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Paul Prescott > > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ros, Yes. Edith Cadburt Nursery school is on Google. Ken B No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.11/1554 - Release Date: 15/07/2008 6:03 PM

Ros, I would say possibly Bourneville Selly Oak Birmingham. You could check on Google? Ken B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ros Gooden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Edith Cadbury Nursery School > Can anyone help me with information on the Cadbury or Woodall families? > > I understand that one of the Cadbury's (George) - grandson of John > Cadbury (1801-1889) opened a nursery school in honour of his wife , who > was Edith Woodall. She died in 1935. > I have no birth date for George, but he died 27 Sept 1954. > > Where would the school be located? > > Many thanks, > Ros (South Australia) > _____________________________________________ > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.11/1554 - Release Date: > 15/07/2008 6:03 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.11/1554 - Release Date: 15/07/2008 6:03 PM

Hi All I heard that some of the "charabangs" (as pronounced is my childhood) had lorry bodies on during the week and the coach/seating body was put on Friday night for weekend outings. Mike Fisher in Droitwich born Loveday St