Hi folks Enquiring if anyone has any Malpas/s links; I am particularly interested in Fred Malpas/s B abt 1909 Birmingham and his antecedents. He may have been the butcher in Shaftsmoor Lane near the Fox Hollies pub, Hall Green in the 1970s Thanks for reading................. Jilly

Does anyone know of a link between the Birmingham Onions family whose Company made and sold Bellows from the 17th century and the Onions family of Broseley (near Ironbridge)? Thanks Jan

G'day, A correspondent has found a census entry for a family living in Haskew Place, The Blockhouse, Worcester. She says it's in St Paul's Parish. Does anyone know whether this Place is still there and why it was so named please? Thanks, Jan

To Anne Peat, Nivard Ovington and Thelma Wigley Thank you for your helpful suggestions relating to my 1841 census search for Thomas and Ann Thompson and family. This morning I received Thomas's death certificate (he died aged 39 in 1849), on which his occupation is described as 'Bookkeeper' rather than locksmith (1838 and 1848) and warehouse clerk (1868 - daughter's marriage certificate). I'm now awaiting receipt of the birth certificate of Thomas's eldest son (also named Thomas) born 1838. I may then send for the birth certificate of the next eldest child, George, born 1840 to find the family's likely address in 1841. Thanks again for all your help. I'll keep you posted on any progress I make. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: [WAR] Thomas and Ann Thompson and family 1841 Dear Listers, Can anyone help find my Thompson family in the 1841 census? I'm researching my great great grandparents Thomas Thompson and Ann Pascall, who married in 1838 at St George's Church, Birmingham. They were then living in Mary Ann Street, near St Paul's Church; Ann's maiden name was Pascall and Thomas was a locksmith. Prior to the 1841 census, Thomas and Ann had two children: Thomas, b. 1838, and George, b. 1840 (the dates are from baptism records at St Thomas's Church). So there should be four members of the family in the 1841 census. The problem is, I cannot find the family in the 1841 census. I've searched all the entries for Mary Ann Street (civil parish of St Paul's, enumeration district 9), and also all the entries for William Street off Islington Row, close to St Thomas's Church (civil parish of St Thomas, enumeration districts 12 and 13). I strongly suspect that Thomas and Ann had moved to William Street by the time of the birth of their first child, five months after their marriage. I've checked the 1841 entry for Ann's parents (at Donnington Wood, Lilleshall, Shropshire), but Thomas and Ann and the children were not with them. The reason I checked William Street is that four more children were born in 1842, 1843, 1845, and 1848, all baptised at St Thomas's. The youngest child's birth certificate shows the family living at No 2 Court 6, William Street. By the 1851 census, Thomas had died (probably in 1849), but Ann was still living off a court behind William Street, and continued to do so for at least a further 20 years. I'm applying for the birth certificate of the eldest child, to obtain confirmation of the family's address in July 1838 I wonder if there may be entries missing from the census for William Street? In particular, the residents of the courts at the back of William Street do not seem to be included. I'd be grateful for any help in tracing my Thompson family's whereabouts in 1841. Many thanks, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ancestry has lists of missing areas for each of the censuses. I checked - none in Warwickshire or anywhere near the Birmingham area are down as missing. Anne On 18 Aug 2008, at 20:05, John Ball wrote: > Jane Dyer <[email protected]> wrote: > hi John, I've had a look & can't find any of them. I'm fairly sure I > have > read theat the 1841 census is incomplete, possibly due to dampness. > ============== > > Dear Jane, > > Thank you for looking, and for your thoughts about missing census > sections. > > If anyone can confirm that sections of the 1841 census for > Birmingham are > missing - and possibly identify which parts are missing - I would be > able to > abandon further searches for my Thompson family in the 1841 census. > > Kind regards, > > John

Hi John To see if any parts of a census are known to be missing go to the National Archives http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ Select "The Catalogue" from the search the archives menu Select "The Catalogue" to enter Enter Missing in the first search box and in the Department Code or Series search box enter the reference for that year HO107 = 1841 & 1851 RG9 1861 RG10 1871 RG11 1881 RG12 1891 RG13 1901 That will produce a list of known missing pieces of the census for that year Some are not immediately obvious as the 1841 for example is organised by Hundred Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) PS you can use the same format above to find the census ref for a given place by substituting Missing for the place you seek > Thank you for looking, and for your thoughts about missing census > sections. > > If anyone can confirm that sections of the 1841 census for Birmingham are > missing - and possibly identify which parts are missing - I would be able > to > abandon further searches for my Thompson family in the 1841 census. > > Kind regards, > > John

Jane Dyer <[email protected]> wrote: hi John, I've had a look & can't find any of them. I'm fairly sure I have read theat the 1841 census is incomplete, possibly due to dampness. ============== Dear Jane, Thank you for looking, and for your thoughts about missing census sections. If anyone can confirm that sections of the 1841 census for Birmingham are missing - and possibly identify which parts are missing - I would be able to abandon further searches for my Thompson family in the 1841 census. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/

hi John, I've had a look & can't find any of them. I'm fairly sure I have read theat the 1841 census is incomplete, possibly due to dampness. Jane John Ball <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Listers, Can anyone help find my Thompson family in the 1841 census? I'm researching my great great grandparents Thomas Thompson and Ann Pascall, who married in 1838 at St George's Church, B'ham. They were then living in Mary Ann Street, near St Paul's Church; Ann's maiden name was Pascall and Thomas was a locksmith. Prior to the 1841 census, Thomas and Ann had two children: Thomas, b. 1838, and George, b. 1840 (the dates are from baptism records at St Thomas's Church). So there should be four members of the family in the 1841 census. The problem is, I cannot find the family in the 1841 census. I've searched all the entries for Mary Ann Street (civil parish of St Paul's, enumeration district 9), and also all the entries for William Street off Islington Row, close to St Thomas's Church (civil parish of St Thomas, enumeration districts 12 and 13). I strongly suspect that Thomas and Ann had moved to William Street by the time of the birth of their first child, five months after their marriage. I've checked the 1841 entry for Ann's parents (at Donnington Wood, Lilleshall, Shropshire), but Thomas and Ann and the children were not with them. The reason I checked William Street is that four more children were born in 1842, 1843, 1845, and 1848, all baptised at St Thomas's. The youngest child's birth certificate shows the family living at No 2 Court 6, William Street. By the 1851 census, Thomas had died (probably in 1849), but Ann was still living off a court behind William Street, and continued to do so for at least a further 20 years. I'm applying for the birth certificate of the eldest child, to obtain confirmation of the family's address in July 1838 I wonder if there may be entries missing from the census for William Street? In particular, the residents of the courts at the back of William Street do not seem to be included. I'd be grateful for any help in tracing my Thompson family's whereabouts in 1841. Many thanks, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, Can anyone help find my Thompson family in the 1841 census? I'm researching my great great grandparents Thomas Thompson and Ann Pascall, who married in 1838 at St George's Church, B'ham. They were then living in Mary Ann Street, near St Paul's Church; Ann's maiden name was Pascall and Thomas was a locksmith. Prior to the 1841 census, Thomas and Ann had two children: Thomas, b. 1838, and George, b. 1840 (the dates are from baptism records at St Thomas's Church). So there should be four members of the family in the 1841 census. The problem is, I cannot find the family in the 1841 census. I've searched all the entries for Mary Ann Street (civil parish of St Paul's, enumeration district 9), and also all the entries for William Street off Islington Row, close to St Thomas's Church (civil parish of St Thomas, enumeration districts 12 and 13). I strongly suspect that Thomas and Ann had moved to William Street by the time of the birth of their first child, five months after their marriage. I've checked the 1841 entry for Ann's parents (at Donnington Wood, Lilleshall, Shropshire), but Thomas and Ann and the children were not with them. The reason I checked William Street is that four more children were born in 1842, 1843, 1845, and 1848, all baptised at St Thomas's. The youngest child's birth certificate shows the family living at No 2 Court 6, William Street. By the 1851 census, Thomas had died (probably in 1849), but Ann was still living off a court behind William Street, and continued to do so for at least a further 20 years. I'm applying for the birth certificate of the eldest child, to obtain confirmation of the family's address in July 1838 I wonder if there may be entries missing from the census for William Street? In particular, the residents of the courts at the back of William Street do not seem to be included. I'd be grateful for any help in tracing my Thompson family's whereabouts in 1841. Many thanks, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/

To everyone who has sent me emails thank you for all your help. I am trying to locate a name. New this wasn't going to be easy. Somehow thought this would be with my mother's side of the family :) I have emailed a cousin who I am praying may have a name of her for me. Have been sitting here all night trying to go through cemetery registers in the South Island to find her to no avail. As soon as I am able to shed some more information I will put this on the list for you all. Once again I can't thank you enough and I will be back in touch with you all as soon as I hear something. Kindest Regards Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Carpenter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Family name "Gee" > Hi Karen, what was your G Grandmothers name? you will really need to work > backwards to get the right family. > I found an Edwin Gee on the 1881 census who was a brassfounder but > looking > at the information you gave below you need to back another generation for > your Gee's, so first you would have to find the Mathews family hence > needing > you g Grandmothers name. > This would then give your G G Grandparents name if they were on the census > in England as a family before emigrating to NZ > > If you have that information I will try and help you further > > Regards > Sue > Nr Birmingham UK >

Hi David, Thankyou for that will go have a look. The family surname was "Gee"hence my GGG Grandmother was a Miss Gee. The family came from Birmingham. She married a Mr Mathews not sure if in UK or NZ. But think it was possibly UK. Do not know where my GG GM was born she was the eldest of 3. He was a miner and died here in NZ in a disaster. GG GM remarried here in NZ. Many thanks Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Carr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Family name "Gee" > Hi Karen > possibly not much help but there is a William Gee Gunmaker listed in > this 1849 trade dirctory > > http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/wiki/William_Gee > > Can you clarify exactly who might have been in Birmingham in 1891 and > what the surnames might have been, its not clear whether Gee was a > maiden or married name? > > Dave > >

Hello all, I was wondering if anyone could help me in what seems to be an impossible task for me. My Great Great Grandmother was a Miss Gee from Birmingham. I am sorry do not know her Christian name. (am trying to find her grave at the other end of NZ of which it should have it) All I know from my mum is that Great GM said her mother was a Gee and her family owned a Iron & Brass Foundry in Birmingham. Is there any one out there that would know of this? My Great Grandmother died in 1970 aged 85yrs but my mother said she lied about her age and was more like 95. Trying to work out the age of her mother I would place her around 1870-80's. I do not know where my G GM was born. Her mother married a Mathews of which I believe the family were not too happy about. I am hoping they got married in England which would make things alot easier when I find out names to do searching. Her husband died in about 1896 in a tragic mine disaster in NZ. Not much to go on but my only hope is the Iron and Brass Foundry. Finding the "Gee's"who owned this can give me some names and hopefully a census may give the family of which I can locate my GG GM. Thanking you all Karen New Zealand

Hi Karen, what was your G Grandmothers name? you will really need to work backwards to get the right family. I found an Edwin Gee on the 1881 census who was a brassfounder but looking at the information you gave below you need to back another generation for your Gee's, so first you would have to find the Mathews family hence needing you g Grandmothers name. This would then give your G G Grandparents name if they were on the census in England as a family before emigrating to NZ If you have that information I will try and help you further Regards Sue Nr Birmingham UK -----Original Message----- From: Karen & Peter [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 17 August 2008 07:27 To: [email protected] Subject: [B'ham] Family name "Gee" Hello all, I was wondering if anyone could help me in what seems to be an impossible task for me. My Great Great Grandmother was a Miss Gee from Birmingham. I am sorry do not know her Christian name. (am trying to find her grave at the other end of NZ of which it should have it) All I know from my mum is that Great GM said her mother was a Gee and her family owned a Iron & Brass Foundry in Birmingham. Is there any one out there that would know of this? My Great Grandmother died in 1970 aged 85yrs but my mother said she lied about her age and was more like 95. Trying to work out the age of her mother I would place her around 1870-80's. I do not know where my G GM was born. Her mother married a Mathews of which I believe the family were not too happy about. I am hoping they got married in England which would make things alot easier when I find out names to do searching. Her husband died in about 1896 in a tragic mine disaster in NZ. Not much to go on but my only hope is the Iron and Brass Foundry. Finding the "Gee's"who owned this can give me some names and hopefully a census may give the family of which I can locate my GG GM. Thanking you all Karen New Zealand

take a look at the link below to s Free BMD Search http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl? start=1889&end=1889&sq=1&eq=1&type=Marriages&vol=6c&pgno=561&jsexec=1&mo no=0&v=MTIxODk2NDMwOTpiMDU0MDdlMTk1ODNmNjA4YjM2NDM0OTNhZTc0MjExNjFmNDAyN DIz&searchdef=countyid%3DWAR%252C7%252C27%252C29%252C35%252C65% 252C108%252C163%252C164%252C180%252C220%252C221%252C222%252C233% 252C241%26db%3Dbmd_1218534691%26sq%3D1%26v% 3DMTIxODk2NDI5NTo3NWRjZTQ2YmY0Mzk3Y2FlNzk0ZWVhMWMwYjM2ZWRkMDc0Yjk5YjBm %26surname%3DGee%26end%3D1891%26type%3DMarriages%26eq%3D4%26start% 3D1887&action=Find it shows a Mary Selina Gee on the same page as a Henry Mathews, married in Kings Norton in March 1889. you can't be sure they married each other without the certificate but there are only 4 names on the page. Dave On 17 Aug 2008, at 08:20, Karen & Peter wrote: Hi David, Thankyou for that will go have a look. The family surname was "Gee"hence my GGG Grandmother was a Miss Gee. The family came from Birmingham. She married a Mr Mathews not sure if in UK or NZ. But think it was possibly UK. Do not know where my GG GM was born she was the eldest of 3. He was a miner and died here in NZ in a disaster. GG GM remarried here in NZ. Many thanks Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Carr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [B'ham] Family name "Gee" > Hi Karen > possibly not much help but there is a William Gee Gunmaker listed in > this 1849 trade dirctory > > http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/wiki/William_Gee > > Can you clarify exactly who might have been in Birmingham in 1891 and > what the surnames might have been, its not clear whether Gee was a > maiden or married name? > > Dave > > _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Karen, There's this family in the 1881 Census in Birmingham- Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Edwin GEE Head M Male 45 Birm, Warwick, England Brass Founder Harriet GEE Wife M Female 41 Birm, Warwick, England Burnisher Edwin R. GEE Son U Male 16 Birm, Warwick, England Brass Castor Alice GEE Dau Female 13 Birm, Warwick, England Scholar Emma GEE Dau Female 11 Birm, Warwick, England Scholar Harriet GEE Dau Female 7 Birm, Warwick, England Scholar Source Information: Dwelling Court 12 4 Nelson St South Census Place Birmingham, Warwick, England Family History Library Film 1341713 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2981 / 47 Page Number 30 Barb Stacey Solihull UK > Hello all, > > I was wondering if anyone could help me in what seems to be an impossible > task for me. > > My Great Great Grandmother was a Miss Gee from Birmingham. I am sorry do > not know her Christian name. (am trying to find her grave at the other end > of NZ of which it should have it) All I know from my mum is that Great GM > said her mother was a Gee and her family owned a Iron & Brass Foundry in > Birmingham.

Hi Karen possibly not much help but there is a William Gee Gunmaker listed in this 1849 trade dirctory http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/wiki/William_Gee Can you clarify exactly who might have been in Birmingham in 1891 and what the surnames might have been, its not clear whether Gee was a maiden or married name? Dave On 17 Aug 2008, at 07:26, Karen & Peter wrote: Hello all, I was wondering if anyone could help me in what seems to be an impossible task for me. My Great Great Grandmother was a Miss Gee from Birmingham. I am sorry do not know her Christian name. (am trying to find her grave at the other end of NZ of which it should have it) All I know from my mum is that Great GM said her mother was a Gee and her family owned a Iron & Brass Foundry in Birmingham. Is there any one out there that would know of this? My Great Grandmother died in 1970 aged 85yrs but my mother said she lied about her age and was more like 95. Trying to work out the age of her mother I would place her around 1870-80's. I do not know where my G GM was born. Her mother married a Mathews of which I believe the family were not too happy about. I am hoping they got married in England which would make things alot easier when I find out names to do searching. Her husband died in about 1896 in a tragic mine disaster in NZ. Not much to go on but my only hope is the Iron and Brass Foundry. Finding the "Gee's"who owned this can give me some names and hopefully a census may give the family of which I can locate my GG GM. Thanking you all Karen New Zealand _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM- [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WARKS- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, the Black Country list does still exist. Things are a bit quiet at the moment, though - lots of people are away on holiday at this time of the year! Ken. (in rural West Sussex, UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: Diane Lowery To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: [B'ham] Black Country List Hi Listers, I haven't received a reply to my e-mail to subscribe to the Black Country mailing list and am wondering if it still exists? Would someone please be able to tell me? Diane (Melbourne - ex Brummie with Oldbury connections.)

Hi Listers, I haven't received a reply to my e-mail to subscribe to the Black Country mailing list and am wondering if it still exists? Would someone please be able to tell me? Diane (Melbourne - ex Brummie with Oldbury connections.)

I wonder what it was about the eleventh child that caused them to marry? The death of a previous partner for one of them perhaps? Dawn (Melbourne) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Wendy Croome Sent: Saturday, 16 August 2008 1:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B'ham] STEVENS/LOMAS Marriage Hi, Have you considered that the couple might not have been married when the child was born? I have Australian ancestors who, on each of their childrens' birth registrations, gave a different date & place of marriage, sometimes in England and sometimes in Melbourne. I eventually found that they married in a registrars office when she was pregnant with her 11th child (even on that child's birth registration they lied about their marriage date & place!). Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "rickaby" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: [B'ham] STEVENS/LOMAS Marriage > I contacted the Queensland BDM and they have informed me that the marriage > of my relative's parents, Henry STEVENS & Annie LOMAS took place on 15 Aug > 1899 in Birmingham Warwickshire England. _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 3360 (20080815) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Hi Diane, Yes the Black Country list still exists. I had to resubscribe a couple of weeks ago after my summer holiday and they now send you an email when you subscibe and you have to reply to the email to activate the "subscription". If you go to Rootsweb home page, click the link for browse mailing lists, click on England and the you should see eng-blackcountry, click on the subscribe shortcut. Some of the lists seem to respond differently when you subscribe, the B'ham list admin send the response email and then you are subscribed straight away (well that's what happened to me) and others you have to activate the response email before you receive any mails (like Black Country and Staffordshire). Hope this helps, Judy Diane Lowery <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Listers, I haven't received a reply to my e-mail to subscribe to the Black Country mailing list and am wondering if it still exists? Would someone please be able to tell me? Diane (Melbourne - ex Brummie with Oldbury connections.) _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message