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    1. [ENG-TOD] Dobroyd
    2. Andrea Calman
    3. Dear Ernest, You are right about Dobroyd Cottages - I believe they are the 'unspecified' cottages on page 137. If you look at page 51 of the same book, you will see the start of Dobroyd Rd to the side of Dawson Weir. And on page 102, there is a picture of Dobroyd House. Although the castle is at the top of the hill, Dobroyd the area was indeed at the bottom of the valley. Dobroyd Road still exists. It run's between Salford and Shade, but on the other side of the railway line and canal, and so is not at all obvious from the main Rochdale Road. Dobroyd Road leads from Rochdale road, across a bridge, and joins Stones Road and Pexwood Road. Pexwood Rd joins Bacup Rd, whereas Stones Road travels up the hill towards the castle. Dawson Weir, the house on Rochdale Rd, still exists although I'm not sure how many of Dobroyd cottages are still there. It is possible that the Cottages were for the use of the workers of Dobroyd Mill. Have you looked at the 'neighbours' in the 1881 census to see if there are any clues there? It wasn't unusual for workers to walk some miles to their place of work, the normal route was down from the hill top farms to the mills in the valley via the packhorse trails, but the Roberts could have just as likely walked up the hill to work on the castle. Hope this help, Andrea. Andrea, Many thanks for your 2 messages and for taking the trouble to give me some of the picture. This is the first time that my particular twig on the FIELDEN tree that I have found connected in any way to the SUTCLIFFEs. I am left with more questions than answers. I think the 1901 Census may throw some light on this Ruth. It was a common enough name with the FIELDENs. I am still trying to sort out the USA part of the puzzle. Since you know much about the geography of Todmorden - I have Brian Law's book on inter library loan and there is a double page (136/137) plan of Waterside Mill in 1878. It shows Dobroyd Road with some unspecified cottages, Dobroyd Mill, and Dobroyd House. James FIELDEN was living at "No.4 Dobroyd" in 1881. Would this group of cottages be the likely location of No.4. If this is so it is possible that James worked in the Machine Shop in Fielden's Mills. >From the picture on the cover of Brian Law's book the Castle was some distance away so the impression that the Whitehead family gave me of their ancestors (ROBERTS, BARKER, etc) working on the Castle needs to be qualified. Although I note from Ramshaw's book that Timothy, Richard & John ROBERTS of Shropshire held a lease, from St. Mary's in Rev. Cowell's time, for 3 lives of some workshops at a rent of L22 pa. and it may be that these ROBERTS worked as joiners etc.on the Castle and elsewhere for the FIELDENs. Doesn't it get complicated! But any observations on any of these speculations would be appreciated. With best wishes, Ernest

    06/06/2002 04:34:01