Jack, please could you look up a James Firth in the 1841 census. He was born he was born on september 20th 1826, as this is the only on his birth that i have it may not be the exact date on wich he was born. In the other information that i have on him, he lived at 10 Ridge Street, Todmorden. In my notes his occupation is a wood sawer. He married a Mary Ann, her second name i have not yet found out. She was born in 1827. They had a number of childrenn, none of which were born before the 1841 census. I will give you some names incase it helps you. Feby, Mayjor Edward, Alice, Jacob Edgar. I hope that this information will help. I will be very greatfull for any information that you can give, conferm with the census or any other information that you have. if you could confirm the dater that i have already it will be very usesfull. Esther. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com