Kent, There do seem to be a very few people who were not included in one census or other, but only very few - I have looked for hundreds of people in the censuses, and so far, there is only one family which I have looked for, and found that they definitely were not anywhere in the census. This was the 1881 census, which has a complete index of names, places etc, so I can be certain that the family was not included, as I have searched just for their christian names, as well as their surnames, address, place of birth etc. I have birth certificates for two of their children in the city of London, one just before, and one just after the 1881 census time, so I can be fairly certain they were in England then, and they weren't wealthy enough to be on holiday abroad, so I think the only explanation is that their names were not included in the half a dozen families who lived at the same address as they did at that time. However, it is worth searching further, if you can. By using census indexes, I have found quite a few families living in different places from the ones I expected, and sometimes with differently spelt names. For example, one family in the 1881 census transcript on CD-Rom was transcribed as 'Luckling', when their name was actually 'Suckling', because the capital 'S' looked very much like an 'L' in the writing of the time. It took me a long time before I thought of searching for this spelling! If you could give us more exact details of the families you are searching for in the 1851 census, perhaps someone might come across the family while they are looking for their own ancestors in the census. Let us know the christian names as well as the surnames, and some idea of their age in 1851, and where any particular ones were born or lived in England, if you know. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Kirkham" <kkirkham2021@insightbb.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: [ENG-TOD] Re: ENG-TODMORDEN-D Digest V02 #28 > Thanks for all the brouhaha over copywriting. It alerted me to the existence > of Archive CD Books from which I just ordered 30BP of CD's. > > You would not believe how difficult it is to find original sources about > small parishes such as Witton, Darwen, Kirkham, etc. on this side of the > Atlantic. Hopefully the CDs I ordered will give me a little more information > about these small villages. > > I know my family was in the UK in 1851, but I cannot locate them in the 1851 > census. Were a lot of families overlooked? Were some just too poor to be > counted? > > As an Episcopalian, I understand and agree with the sacramental reasons for > not allowing baptismal and marriage records to be microfilmed and > published. I understand this is the position of the position of the Bishop > of Lancashire. My own parish bans it also. > > I am researching the names of Ormerod, Kirkham and Woodhead in the Witton, > Kirkham, Darwen, Blackpool area. > > Thanks > > Kent Kirkham > Springfield, Illinois, USA

Kent, I have found some Kirkhams in Darwen in 1851. These were taken from the 2% sample, so there are probably more of them. I hope these are of use to you Regards, Linda BURY FOLD, DARWEN THOMAS/KIRKHAM/HEAD/MARRD/50//LOOM STARTER/LAN/DARWEN/ MARY/KIRKHAM/W/MARRD//48/LOOM STARTERS WIFE/LAN/DARWEN/ JAMES/KIRKHAM/SON/UNMD/14//POWER LOOM WEAVER/LAN/DARWEN/ THOMAS/PRESTON/SON IN LAW/MARRD/23//COLLIER/LAN/DARWEN/ ALICE/PRESTON/SON IN LAWS WIFE/MARRD//25/POWER LOOM WEAVER/LAN/DARWEN/ HENRY/PRESTON/GRANDSON/UNMD/2//AT HOME/LAN/DARWEN/ MARY/PRESTON/GRANDAUR/UNMD//.833/AT HOME/LAN/DARWEN/ BURY FOLD, DARWEN JAMES/KIRKHAM/HEAD/MARRD/54//LABOURER/LAN/OVER DARWEN/ ELLEN/KIRKHAM/W/MARRD//54/LAB WIFE/LAN/PADIHAM/ JANE/KIRKHAM/D/UNMD//26/TWIST WINDER/LAN/PADIHAM/ THOMAS/KIRKHAM/SON/UNMD/25//LABOURER/LAN/PADIHAM/ RICHARD/KIRKHAM/SON/UNMD/23//POWER LOOM WEAVER/LAN/OVER DARWEN/ ELLEN/KIRKHAM/D/UNMD//15/POWER LOOM WEAVER/LAN/OVER DARWEN/ ALICE/KIRKHAM/D/UNMD//13/POWER LOOM WEAVER/LAN/OVER DARWEN/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Curnow" <annejennings@waitrose.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: [ENG-TOD] Ormerod, Kirkham and Woodhead surnames - searching the censuses Kent, There do seem to be a very few people who were not included in one census or other, but only very few - I have looked for hundreds of people in the censuses, and so far, there is only one family which I have looked for, and found that they definitely were not anywhere in the census. This was the 1881 census, which has a complete index of names, places etc, so I can be certain that the family was not included, as I have searched just for their christian names, as well as their surnames, address, place of birth etc. I have birth certificates for two of their children in the city of London, one just before, and one just after the 1881 census time, so I can be fairly certain they were in England then, and they weren't wealthy enough to be on holiday abroad, so I think the only explanation is that their names were not included in the half a dozen families who lived at the same address as they did at that time. However, it is worth searching further, if you can. By using census indexes, I have found quite a few families living in different places from the ones I expected, and sometimes with differently spelt names. For example, one family in the 1881 census transcript on CD-Rom was transcribed as 'Luckling', when their name was actually 'Suckling', because the capital 'S' looked very much like an 'L' in the writing of the time. It took me a long time before I thought of searching for this spelling! If you could give us more exact details of the families you are searching for in the 1851 census, perhaps someone might come across the family while they are looking for their own ancestors in the census. Let us know the christian names as well as the surnames, and some idea of their age in 1851, and where any particular ones were born or lived in England, if you know. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Kirkham" <kkirkham2021@insightbb.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: [ENG-TOD] Re: ENG-TODMORDEN-D Digest V02 #28 > Thanks for all the brouhaha over copywriting. It alerted me to the existence > of Archive CD Books from which I just ordered 30BP of CD's. > > You would not believe how difficult it is to find original sources about > small parishes such as Witton, Darwen, Kirkham, etc. on this side of the > Atlantic. Hopefully the CDs I ordered will give me a little more information > about these small villages. > > I know my family was in the UK in 1851, but I cannot locate them in the 1851 > census. Were a lot of families overlooked? Were some just too poor to be > counted? > > As an Episcopalian, I understand and agree with the sacramental reasons for > not allowing baptismal and marriage records to be microfilmed and > published. I understand this is the position of the position of the Bishop > of Lancashire. My own parish bans it also. > > I am researching the names of Ormerod, Kirkham and Woodhead in the Witton, > Kirkham, Darwen, Blackpool area. > > Thanks > > Kent Kirkham > Springfield, Illinois, USA ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Interested in Anglo-Italian Research? http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237