Anne, I see that Linda, as usual, has come to your aid. I recently wrote to another List that a book "Concerning Todmorden Parish" (1911) by C.G. Ramshaw had come into my care. It was in the effects of a good friend and also an in-law who died about a year ago. He believed that his 2XGt.g.father James FIELDEN was related to the more famous John FIELDEN M.P. of Dobroyd Castle. I am still working on the possible link and the book has given me quite a lot of background information on the Parish Church,St.Mary's and events in the life of the village. There are photos of some of the people in the text including Messrs. Jno. CROSSLEY and Jas . TAYLOR (former Wardens) -the reference is dated 1840. I take the term Wardens to refer to the people appointed to uphold the law i.e. police functions. Needless to say there are other references to the SUTCLIFFE and TAYLOR families. For example in 1829 a Mr. John CROSSLEY was a chapel warden whose signature was added to a note about some goings on at Rochdale Parish Church. Unfortunately the book is not written as Family History with dates precisely defined and family linkages are referred to almost by accident. I am still trying to prepare an Index of the names but it's a frustrating exercise. BTW There is a photo of James FIELDEN, choirmaster, and his address is given in the text and to confirm the photo he has signed the book with his address 2 Sanworth St., Halifax Road, Todmorden. Inside the book was envelope addressed to Miss Ruth FIELDEN, Harley House Mill, Blind Lane, Todmorden. It has a 5 cent stamp and is postmarked New York, Sep.15, 85 (?1885). I think this Ruth was his daughter but who wrote to her? In 1881 the family was living at No. 4 Dobroyd. Was this part of Dobroyd Castle? Ruth was then 12 and James, an Iron Turner, aged 39. James was the son of William (a Sadler) sic. So many questions and too many possible answers. Regards, Ernest (Southport, Lancs.) researching Todmorden for FIELDEN, BARKER, ROBERTS,WHITEHEAD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Curnow" <annejennings@waitrose.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:15 AM

Thanks, Linda - it will be good to see the details you have of the Sutcliffes, Taylors and Newhalls. The only problem I have with attachments, is that I do not have Microsoft Office word processing, only Lotus Word Pro, so although most attachments are accessible to me, I sometimes cannot open or view some attachments that are specifically written using Microsoft Office. I had not realised that the spelling of Newill or Newall could be Newhall, but now that I see it, it makes sense, as not many people could read or write in those days, so all these spellings could be interchangeable. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] Sutcliffe and Taylor families of Todmorden and Walsden > Hi Anne and everyone, > I have a collection of entries in all the census returns for Walsden which I > am willing to share. I have some Sutcliffes, Taylors and Newhalls for Anne. > Is it OK if I send these by attachment in a word doc? I have just done a > virus scan and my computer is clean. > Linda > Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com > >

Hi Anne and everyone, I have a collection of entries in all the census returns for Walsden which I am willing to share. I have some Sutcliffes, Taylors and Newhalls for Anne. Is it OK if I send these by attachment in a word doc? I have just done a virus scan and my computer is clean. Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com ANNE WROTE: Hello to everybody on the Todmorden mailing list! According to the 1881 census, my great, great grandfather, Richard Sutcliffe, and his wife, Betty Taylor, were both born in Todmorden, and I am trying to find out more about them and their families and ancestors at the time when they were in Todmorden. I wonder whether anyone else on the mailing list might be related too, or at least might have some more information as a result of their own research. Richard Sutcliffe was 10 years old in the 1851 census, and lived in 'Lanebottom', Walsden, and was born in Walsden, as were the rest of his family. He had brothers Abraham, 8, and Thomas, 7, and a sister Hannah, aged 1. Their parents were Samuel and Betty Sutcliffe, 33 and 32 years. Samuel was a stone mason, and Betty was a hand loom weaver (cotton). Richard was also a hand loom weaver. In the 1881 census, I also found another sister and brother of Richard, who were not born by the time of the 1851 census: John Sutcliffe, 29 in 1881, and Alice Sutcliffe, 15 in 1881, both born in Walsden, but living in York by 1881. I have the marriage certificate of Richard Sutcliffe and Betty Taylor. They married at the York Street Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Todmorden, by which time Richard Sutcliffe had moved to 4 Stephens Street, Rochdale, and was a teacher of music, but Betty Taylor, 25 years old and a card room hand, was living in Knowlwood Bottom, Walsden. Her father was James Taylor, a twister, and the two witnesses were Thomas Butterworth and Hannah Dawson. I haven't found Betty and her father James Taylor on the 1851 census yet, and I haven't looked at any other Todmorden censuses apart from part of the Todmorden/Walsden 1851 census and the 1881 census. I think Richard was born in April or May 1841, and his wife Betty Taylor should have been born between about April 1836 and April 1837. By the time of the 1881 census, Richard Sutcliffe and his wife Betty (and his widowed mother Betsy or Betty) had moved to York, where he was a hotel keeper, and he also had a music shop at another address in York, where his wife Betty or Betsey was listed as a piano dealer's wife. I think that Richard's sister Hannah Sutcliffe married Robert Newell in the Todmorden registration district during the quarter of the year ending in December 1873, but I do not have any other details of this marriage, apart from finding them together in the 1881 census in Stansfield, Yorkshire. Richard's brother Abraham Sutcliffe, a publican in 1881, married Sarah Ellen Broadbent in the Halifax registration district during the quarter of the year ending March 1871. Again, I do not have further details of this marriage, although I have found them in York in the 1881 census, and in this, it says their two children were born in Halifax. If you can help by providing any more information, or if you think you are related to any of these families, or if any of these details were useful to you, please let me know. I live more than 200 miles away from Todmorden, so it is difficult for me to access some of the sources of information. Best wishes, Anne ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Interested in Anglo-Italian Research? http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello to everybody on the Todmorden mailing list! According to the 1881 census, my great, great grandfather, Richard Sutcliffe, and his wife, Betty Taylor, were both born in Todmorden, and I am trying to find out more about them and their families and ancestors at the time when they were in Todmorden. I wonder whether anyone else on the mailing list might be related too, or at least might have some more information as a result of their own research. Richard Sutcliffe was 10 years old in the 1851 census, and lived in 'Lanebottom', Walsden, and was born in Walsden, as were the rest of his family. He had brothers Abraham, 8, and Thomas, 7, and a sister Hannah, aged 1. Their parents were Samuel and Betty Sutcliffe, 33 and 32 years. Samuel was a stone mason, and Betty was a hand loom weaver (cotton). Richard was also a hand loom weaver. In the 1881 census, I also found another sister and brother of Richard, who were not born by the time of the 1851 census: John Sutcliffe, 29 in 1881, and Alice Sutcliffe, 15 in 1881, both born in Walsden, but living in York by 1881. I have the marriage certificate of Richard Sutcliffe and Betty Taylor. They married at the York Street Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Todmorden, by which time Richard Sutcliffe had moved to 4 Stephens Street, Rochdale, and was a teacher of music, but Betty Taylor, 25 years old and a card room hand, was living in Knowlwood Bottom, Walsden. Her father was James Taylor, a twister, and the two witnesses were Thomas Butterworth and Hannah Dawson. I haven't found Betty and her father James Taylor on the 1851 census yet, and I haven't looked at any other Todmorden censuses apart from part of the Todmorden/Walsden 1851 census and the 1881 census. I think Richard was born in April or May 1841, and his wife Betty Taylor should have been born between about April 1836 and April 1837. By the time of the 1881 census, Richard Sutcliffe and his wife Betty (and his widowed mother Betsy or Betty) had moved to York, where he was a hotel keeper, and he also had a music shop at another address in York, where his wife Betty or Betsey was listed as a piano dealer's wife. I think that Richard's sister Hannah Sutcliffe married Robert Newell in the Todmorden registration district during the quarter of the year ending in December 1873, but I do not have any other details of this marriage, apart from finding them together in the 1881 census in Stansfield, Yorkshire. Richard's brother Abraham Sutcliffe, a publican in 1881, married Sarah Ellen Broadbent in the Halifax registration district during the quarter of the year ending March 1871. Again, I do not have further details of this marriage, although I have found them in York in the 1881 census, and in this, it says their two children were born in Halifax. If you can help by providing any more information, or if you think you are related to any of these families, or if any of these details were useful to you, please let me know. I live more than 200 miles away from Todmorden, so it is difficult for me to access some of the sources of information. Best wishes, Anne

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I would like to talk to anyone who is researching the THOMPSON family in Tod and Burnley. I have a William THOMPSON born about 1833 he was first married to a Betty Unknown and then to an Ellen unknown from Scotland, William and Betty had a son called John Shackleton THOMPSON so there is a possible tie in with the Shackleton family. Ralph.

Hi Colin, I think you must be right. I was just hoping there may have been a hamlet or area known as Royton within Tod. Clutching at straws is the phrase I am looking at! One of my people was married at Heptonstall by licence and there was a note at the side saying Royton. Fine, except that this person was born and bred in Todmorden area - he was one of the minor Crossleys from Scaitcliffe and lived at Lower Ashes near Cross Stones. I notice you have the History of Craven in you list and I was wondering if it covers Austwick? Thank you for replying to me, Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Hinson" <Colin@blunham.demon.co.uk> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:28 AM Subject: [ENG-TOD] ROYTON NEAR TODMORDEN Hi Linda, Are you sure that the Royton you are looking for isn't the one near Oldham? The reason I ask is that in the 1700s, the Royton near Oldham would have been in Oldham parish (later in Prestwich parish), and Oldham parish was adjacent to Rochdale parish. In the same period (i.e. before 1834), Todmorden was part in Rochdale parish and part in Huddersfield parish despite being totally in Yorskshire - see my Genuki Yorkshire pages). This of course would make the Royton near Oldham in the parish adjacent to the parish that Todmorden was in. Hope this helps, Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Rare Books on CD: http://www.blunham.demon.co.uk/CDroms/ Baine's & Bulmers directories, History of Craven, Heywood/Northowram, National gazetteer of Great Britain & Ireland, Whelan's York & NRY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, I am looking for a small district near Todmorden called Royton. (Not the one near Oldham) Does anyone know of it. It was there in the 1700's. Thanks Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Have you used Tree Tops? The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Linda, Are you sure that the Royton you are looking for isn't the one near Oldham? The reason I ask is that in the 1700s, the Royton near Oldham would have been in Oldham parish (later in Prestwich parish), and Oldham parish was adjacent to Rochdale parish. In the same period (i.e. before 1834), Todmorden was part in Rochdale parish and part in Huddersfield parish despite being totally in Yorskshire - see my Genuki Yorkshire pages). This of course would make the Royton near Oldham in the parish adjacent to the parish that Todmorden was in. Hope this helps, Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Rare Books on CD: http://www.blunham.demon.co.uk/CDroms/ Baine's & Bulmers directories, History of Craven, Heywood/Northowram, National gazetteer of Great Britain & Ireland, Whelan's York & NRY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, I am looking for a small district near Todmorden called Royton. (Not the one near Oldham) Does anyone know of it. It was there in the 1700's. Thanks Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com

Hi everyone, I am looking for a small district near Todmorden called Royton. (Not the one near Oldham) Does anyone know of it. It was there in the 1700's. Thanks Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com

BELL, NICHOLS (PRESTON) BRIGGS, RILEY, WHEWELL (DARWEN) BELL, SPEDDY, PARKINSON (LANCASTER) BENNETT, (MANCHESTER) CROSSLEY, LAW, WOODHEAD (WALSDEN, TODMORDEN) SPEDDY, HAMERTON, (CRAVEN) WEIGHTMAN, KEY, GIBSON, ROBERTS (DERBYSHIRE) GIBSON, LEIVERS (SELSTON, NOTTS.) BAILEY, ISON (STAFFS) Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com

Thank you for this advice - it now means I need to buy both the Lancs. and WRY 1891's. All for the sake of "where should we put Todmorden today?" !!!! Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com Hi Linda and Listers We checked for Todmorden & Walsden and for the purpose of the 1891 census they are shown in WRY. To check where any district is in the 1891 census you can look at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/census_place.html Hope this helps - if you need any addresses checked let us know and we can check them at our local LDS for you no matter which county it is in. Regards Alex & Jan Sydney OZ 11722 > Hello all, > > Before I invest in the 1891, can anyone tell me if Todmorden and Walsden are > included? As these towns are on the borders with WRY / Calderdale, they are > sometimes Lancs and sometimes Yorks. > > Linda > Linda > Clitheroe > Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com > >

Hello everyone, I am new to this list and am researching the above surnames in Todmorden and Walsden, Stansfield and Langfield aswell. I am especially anxious to trace a William WOODHEAD. He was a carter and produced a daughter, Hannah in 1815 in Walsden. I cannot find her birth despite valiant efforts and therefore don't know anything about her mother.William does not appear on any of the Walsden/Todmorden census returns, and Hannah only turns up after her marriage to William LAW in 1850 when she was a 35 year old spinster with a 10 year old son, Amos WOODHEAD. If anyone can help I would be most grateful Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com

-----Original Message----- From: Rosemary Stevenson <rosemary@face4.freeserve.co.uk> To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 06 April, 2002 15:03 Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [ENG-TOD] " INTRESTS" I am also researching Greenwood in Todmorden-a lot of them I know!The first one in my main line is Barker Greenwood born c.1808, father of another Barker Greenwood born 7-12-1843. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dot Heseltine" <d.heseletine@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 11:26 PM Subject: [ENG-TOD] " INTRESTS" > > Hi List > > Researching the following families; > > HESELTINE > GREENWOOD > ACKROYD > > Dot Heseltine > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi everyone, I have just subscribed. I am mainly interested in the Crossleys, Laws and Woodheads of the area. I have the Parish Registers of St. Marys, and the MI's, also St. Peters Walsden and the 1811/1841/1851 heads of household census indexes. I am always willing to help. Best wishes and Happy Easter, Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com

Hi list In the 1881 census my 2xgt.Grandfather, Samuel FARRAR and his wife Ann, were living at 3 Hope Street with their married son Sam and his wife Mary and their 2 children Willie and Lucy (Lucy being my Grandmother). In the 1891 census they were all still at Hope Street with the addition of Elizabeth, Margaret Ann, James and Clara. Sam, Mary + children eventually moved to Oldham, Lancashire. I presume Samuel and Ann died in Todmorden. If anyone has access to any earlier censuses I would be greatful if they could look up Samuel and Ann. Also would love to hear from anyone related to these people. Thanks Nora Thompson N.Yorkshire

Hi List Researching the following families; HESELTINE GREENWOOD ACKROYD Dot Heseltine

Forwarded Message -----Original Message----- From: s.george1 <s.george1@ntlworld.com> To: eng-todmorden-l-request@rootsweb.com <eng-todmorden-l-request@rootsweb.com> Date: 29 March, 2002 18:37 Subject: Rudman Family-halifax, I am trying to trace relatives of Brian Rudman..(born...Todmorden?)died( Hebden bridge, 1990.).any relatives of the deceased..known parents:- Clarrice Rudman?(father)..& Josephine Rudman?(mother).. i basically need church records for.St Thomas the Apostle, in Heptonstall, halifax...any information would be very gratefully recieved.. Hazel George(nee Rudman)

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Hello, I've traced my people back to a Robert Crossley, a silk spinner (this may be the wrong fabric!) from Southowram near Halifax, who married a Mary Marsland. I think the date of birth must have been between 1825 and 1830. They had a son called John Crossley (1853 - 1915), my great-grandfather. His son, James (1875 - 1946) moved to Rastrick, Brighouse. Talking to Crossley "cousins" in Canada and Australia, I am told that there were Crossleys and, before the 16th century, Crossleighs, in Todmorden in the 1300s. This would appear to be the beginning of a long line . . . Does anyone know of a Crossley or Crossleigh connection in Todmorden? All thoughts would be most welcome. My direct e-mail address is as follows: peter-crossley@wanadoo.fr Looking forward to hearing from you. Most sincerely