Hello everyone, Could someone please help me to open PDF files from internet sites. All I get in the top left of screen is a small icon which is square with red, green and blue shapes inside it. This happens everytime I come across PDF file links. I have the Acrobat Reader 5 installed, which opens all my CD's without problem. No matter what I try, it will not open this icon. I just get an error message that the file must be corrupted in some way. I get very frustrated because I miss out on such a lot of information, usually catalogues etc. Linda Briggs Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com

Hello everyone, My name is Chris(topher) Mitchell, and I live in Adelaide, South Australia. I joined this list because my g-g-grandfather Joseph Edward MITCHELL was supposed to have been born in Hebden Bridge in abt 1840 (according to later census records in Staffs) but I can't find his family in any census or parish records in the HB area. His father is supposed to have been Thomas MITCHELL, a Stone Mason. I was watching a programme on England (by Darcus ???) onTV last night which included a segment on Todmorden, so now I know a little bit about it! Regards, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <ENG-TODMORDEN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2002 9:30 Subject: ENG-TODMORDEN-D Digest V02 #18

Jack - I would be interested aswell, although I'm not so sure I agree with your comments to Eric. All the Fieldens, rich and poor, originated from the same place. We are all connected! Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <GBHlnMT1@aol.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: [ENG-TOD] Re: Unidentified subject! In a message dated 4/27/02 2:10:37 PM, jack.davies@idnet.co.uk writes: << Have you a copy of the more modern book (available in paperback "A History of Todmorden" by M. & F. Heywood and B. Jennings? >> Jack, Could you please send the name of the bookstore where the above book could be purchased. Also, please would you please include the address and cost? Sandy in Montana USA ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Tree Tops Indexes http://freespace.virgin.net/tt.indexes ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Ernest (Southport) Apologies if I have missed some messages re your attempts to link up James Fielden to the famous John Fielden MP but shouldn't you be concentrating on the family tree and if it does link all well and good. There have been and still are a lot of Fieldens in Todmorden and not all rich and famous. For example Parish records (1781-1812) ie 1/2 the records. This half of the records contains 96 James Fieldens and about 63 William Fieldens. Marriages @ Heptonstall and Cross Stone churches 1594-1873 some 227. These records are available in book and fiche form from various places. Have you a copy of the more modern book (available in paperback "A History of Todmorden" by M. & F. Heywood and B. Jennings? Jack (Todmorden)

In a message dated 4/27/02 2:10:37 PM, jack.davies@idnet.co.uk writes: << Have you a copy of the more modern book (available in paperback "A History of Todmorden" by M. & F. Heywood and B. Jennings? >> Jack, Could you please send the name of the bookstore where the above book could be purchased. Also, please would you please include the address and cost? Sandy in Montana USA

Linda, Always glad to hear from you. I am still struggling to connect James FIELDEN to John the M.P. I did manage to determine James's father as William (a saddler) and I did manage to find an article in the April issue of Lancashire Life a neat history of John's life which confirmed his vital dates as 1784-1849 and that he was buried in Todmorden (but not exactly where). This frustrating book I have "Concerning Todmorden Parish" is scattered with references to Todmorden personages but as it states John Fielden died in 1894 I do wonder about its accuracy in these matters.The fact that Mrs. John FIELDEN of Dobroyd Castle is mentioned in connection with St.Mary's might suggest that either there was another John FIELDEN (possibly of Dawson Weir) who was C of E. or that the wife/widow of John the M.P. was not persuaded to follow the Unitarians or the Quakers. I suspect it is the former as there is a reference to many FIELDENs in respect of the replacement of the Church Bell in 1855 when John F M.P. was no longer alive. There a quite a few refs. to CROSSLEY including at least one to Samuel CROSSLEY of Patmos (where my James FIELDEN married).I will have to write out a set of structured notes on the relevant names to try to make sense of the jumble. I have put out a Inter-Library request for "The Fieldens of Todmorden"(1995) by Brian Law and "John Fielden's Todmorden" (1994) by Linda Croft.I am not very hopeful although there are at least 16 copies out there they are all in University Libraries and I am not sure whether they are will be available on the Inter Library system. I'll have to wait and see. Kind regards, Ernest (Southport) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:40 PM

Hi folks, Please find below a list of the updates and additions to the Genuki Yorkshire website for the past 3 weeks or so. All the transcriptions mentioned below have been indexed by the Genuki search engine. If you have any transcriptions, lists etc etc. that you would be prepared to let us have on the Genuki web site, please drop me a line. Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Rare Books on CD: http://www.blunham.demon.co.uk/CDroms/ Baine's & Bulmers directories, History of Craven, Heywood/Northowram, National gazetteer of Great Britain & Ireland, Whelan's York & NRY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Places in brackets are the relevant (ancient) parishes. Unless otherwise specified, the churches are C of E. If you have an interest in church architecture you should visit: http://www.churchcrawler.co.uk ------------------------------- David Simpson/Steve Gaunt WRY: Calverley PRs Burials, 1596 to 1720 -------------------------------- Sue Johnson : transcription WRY: Sowerby Constables - extracts from their accounts. -------------------------------- Steve Garton Transcriptions of Pigot's 1834 directory and gazetteer WRY: Sheffield -parts 2 and 3 ------------------------------------- Colin Hinson: YKS: Link to Cleveland Register Office online indexes added. Link to Todmorden mailing list added Link to Doncaster area mailing list added. Church Photographs: NRY: Swinton Ex Methodist (Appleton le Street) Kirby Misperton Methodist Stockton on the Forest - additional Stockton on the Forest Methodist Huntington Huntington Methodist Warthill - additional Warthill Methodist ERY: Bishop Wilton (old) Methodist Dunnington - additional Dunnington Methodist Elvington - additional Sutton upon Derwent - additional Thorganby - additional Links and html generated for all the above except Wakefield area. Replacement Church Photos: NRY Barton Le Street Butterwick (Barton Le Street) Great Habton (Kirby Misperton) Slingsby Appleton Le Street Amotherby (Appleton Le Street) Buttercrambe (Bossall) Sand Hutton (Bossall) Gate Helmsley Upper Helmsley Holtby Stockton On The Forest ERY: Skirpenbeck Stamford Bridge (Low Catton) Heslington Bishop Wilton Full Sutton Fangfoss Yapham (Pocklington) Wilberfoss Kexby (Low Catton) Wheldrake

Hello, I have an old legacy document about the personal estate of John EASTWOOD who died 21st September 1814. His executor was Abraham BARKER of Stansfield, a farmer. The legatee is Betty the wife of James EASTWOOD the brother of the testator. It is witnesses by John HILEY. If anybody would like more details let me know. Regards, Alison. Mossley, Lancashire.

Hello Anne, (and everyone on the list) Thank you for the 1851 details on the three Law families. I have their 1841 details but not these. It has helped fill in a few details - the ones from Smales that is. The one from Lanebottom I'm still working on but I don't think he belongs to me. Funny it says he is a rag and bone dealer in 1851. In 1841 he was "independent means". Definitely the same family!! Probably a bit of a Steptoe and Son!! Best wishes, Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com

Linda, of all the names I have been researching, I'm afraid I havn't come across any Woodheads. Crossley of Scaitcliffe was quite a big-wig in town, as you probably know, but he was a bit of a rival to the Fieldens. When John Fielden was pushing for the 10-hour act, his biggest opponent was Crossley. I do have a little bit on some Laws, I will have a look and see who I have come across and let you know later. Regards Andrea p.s. Have you asked your local library to get hold of Roger Birch's albums? I can give you the relevant details if it helps. ---------- From: Linda[SMTP:Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com] Sent: 26 April 2002 18:46 To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] BARKER families of Todmorden and Walsden For Andrea, I am interested in Law, Crossley and Woodhead of Todmorden and Walsden. I have a lot of registers of Todmorden and Walsden and MI's if I can help with the Wrigleys at all. What period are you looking at? Are there any photos of my lot in the Album? Is it Roger Birch's? I would love to buy his albums but they are a bit expensive new. Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== C J Genealogy http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Lists.htm http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have a quite bit of information on how the Walsden Fieldens and the 'dynastic' Fieldens are related. I will see if I have any information on your James Fielden (do you have any information that might help identify him?). A lot of the early Fieldens were Qaukers, but later became Methodists or Unitarian's, hence the big Unitarian Church in town. Andrea ---------- From: Linda[SMTP:Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com] Sent: 26 April 2002 18:40 To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-TOD] Fieldens of Todmorden - Ernest For Ernest - How are you going on trying to connect your James Fielden with the illustrious Fielden Dynasty emanating from Old Joshua and culminating in John Fielden MP ? (The Fielden Brothers, Spinners and Manufacturers.) I have a wonderful book on Todmorden by John Travis, who wrote several on that area. This one is "Notes Mainly on Todmorden (historical and biographical)", printed in 1896. There is much about the Fieldens and as I re-read it I will see if I can help you in any way. However, did you realise the Fieldens were Quakers? They worshipped at Shewbroad Meeting House mostly, and also at Mankinholes. The Fielden brothers built the Unitarian Church in Todmorden - now disused I think, but still a magnificent landmark. I have no idea how you get hold of Quaker records, although I do know that they were exempt from the requirement to marry in a C of E Church many years before other denominations were. The book that you have - any info. on the Crossleys would be a great addition to my family story. The Crossleys mentioned in the book will no doubt be the Crossleys of Scaitcliffe, an extremely wealthy aristocratic family, gentlemen and army officers etc. They did a lot for St. Mary's Church, including paying for a lot of re-building. John Crossley was Magistrate and Chief Constable (not in the police). I am possibly related, but only in a very minor and insignificant way, but I am still interested in the goings on of the family. Enough for now, Happy Hunting Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Interested in Modern Newspaper Indexes? http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Newspapers.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Sandy, I will try to send the images to you directly - I'm not sure if I can post them on the bulletin board (any advise on this welcome). John Barker Street is near our house (Thornhill), where John Barker lived for a while, and I've always felt there must be some connection but I haven't been able to prove it. The street itself is a small victorian terrace, most likely housing workers of the local Mills, of which there were many (some quite possibly owned by the Barker family). Todmorden is full of streets named after the local "hero's" of the town, and as John sang at two coronations and came from a fairly well-to-do family, it is very possible that it was named for him. Kind regards Andrea ---------- From: GBHlnMT1@aol.com[SMTP:GBHlnMT1@aol.com] Sent: 26 April 2002 17:18 To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FW: [ENG-TOD] BARKER families of Todmorden and Walsden Andrea, Thank you for sharing the information regarding John Barker. I have read about a street in Todmorden named John Barker Street. Do you know the history of the naming of this street? Is it possible to post the picture of John Barker from the Todmorden Album? Sandy in Montana (USA) ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Interested in Anglo-Italian Research? http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

For Andrea, I am interested in Law, Crossley and Woodhead of Todmorden and Walsden. I have a lot of registers of Todmorden and Walsden and MI's if I can help with the Wrigleys at all. What period are you looking at? Are there any photos of my lot in the Album? Is it Roger Birch's? I would love to buy his albums but they are a bit expensive new. Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com

For Ernest - How are you going on trying to connect your James Fielden with the illustrious Fielden Dynasty emanating from Old Joshua and culminating in John Fielden MP ? (The Fielden Brothers, Spinners and Manufacturers.) I have a wonderful book on Todmorden by John Travis, who wrote several on that area. This one is "Notes Mainly on Todmorden (historical and biographical)", printed in 1896. There is much about the Fieldens and as I re-read it I will see if I can help you in any way. However, did you realise the Fieldens were Quakers? They worshipped at Shewbroad Meeting House mostly, and also at Mankinholes. The Fielden brothers built the Unitarian Church in Todmorden - now disused I think, but still a magnificent landmark. I have no idea how you get hold of Quaker records, although I do know that they were exempt from the requirement to marry in a C of E Church many years before other denominations were. The book that you have - any info. on the Crossleys would be a great addition to my family story. The Crossleys mentioned in the book will no doubt be the Crossleys of Scaitcliffe, an extremely wealthy aristocratic family, gentlemen and army officers etc. They did a lot for St. Mary's Church, including paying for a lot of re-building. John Crossley was Magistrate and Chief Constable (not in the police). I am possibly related, but only in a very minor and insignificant way, but I am still interested in the goings on of the family. Enough for now, Happy Hunting Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com

I have the following information on John Barker (of Stansfield Hall) if it's of any use. I have an interest in him because he used to live in our house, but I'm particularly interest in the Wrigleys of Walsden if any one has any info. There is a picture of John Barker in the Todmorden Album. Regards Andrea Individual Detail Subject* __ ___ ____ John Barker (195) Name-Var: __ ___ 1896 Councillor Name-Var: __ ___ 1896 C.C. Name-Var: aft __ ___ 1899? JP __________________________________________________________________________ Father* Luke Barker (194) (b. 26 Sep 1843, d. 15 Jul 1896) Mother* Sarah A Barker (278) (b. 1835, ) __________________________________________________________________________ Note* __ ___ ____ A cotton manufacturer and a church official, John had a distinguished background and had had the privilege of singing in the choirs at two Coronations - those of Edward V11 i n 1902 and George V in 1911. Birth* __ ___ 1864 Walsden, Lancashire. Note: __ ___ 1872 joined the Todmorden Parish Church Choir. Cen_Occ* 03 Apr 1881 Mechanic. Cen-Enum* 03 Apr 1881 Victoria Road (House) (419) ; Claremont Villas, Victoria Road, Stansfield, Todmorden, Yorkshire; Son. Occupation* __ Jun 1890 Luke Barker & Sons (Business) (420) (b. Jun 1890); Partner and Mechanic. Note: 30 Oct 1896 Town Hall, Todmorden, Lancashire; A mass meeting of the Liberals of the Central Ward was held at the Town Hall, with but a moderate attendance. Mr Omerod, J.P. presided, supported by Alderman Caleb Hoyle, Councillor John Barker, J.P., Messrs. Sugden Sutcliffe, F.R.G.S., W. Jackson, T. West, John Dawson, Barker Clegg, J.S. Widdup, E. Wood, R. Gibson, Josh. Helliwell, A. Newell, Rev. E. Parry, B.A., and Rev. G. Rice. Several lengthy speeches were made, that of Mr J. Barker, C.C., J.P. being most noticeable. Anecdote* 28 Nov 1899 A grand concert, promoted by the Parish Church Choir, took place in the Town Hall, which was well filled. The chief attraction was a "Mustel" organ, the property of Mr. John Barker, of Stansfield Hall, Mr. James Munroe Coward, of London, being engaged to play the organ. Note: Mustel organ :- keyboard instrument of the American organ type, invented by V. Mustel (1815-90). Anecdote: __ ___ 1902 Sang in the choir at the Coronation of Edward VII. Residence* 1906 to 1914 Home; Stansfield Hall (House) (369) ; "Stansfield Hall", Todmorden, Yorkshire; John Barker continued to live at Stansfield Hall after his fathers death in 1896, until 1914 when it was divided into four separate residences. Anecdote: __ ___ 1911 Sang in the choir at the Coronation of George V. Residence* __ ___ 1922 Home; Thornhill (House) (304) (b. circa 1886); "Thornhill", Todmorden, Lancashire; John lived at Thornhill during 1922, although it is not known for how long (possibly since 1914?). __________________________________________________________________________ Reference= (Deceased) Children=0 SEX=M LIVING=N BIRTHORDER=1 CENSUS1881=Y ---------- From: Ernest Wood[SMTP:drewood@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 25 April 2002 15:59 To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] BARKER families of Todmorden and Walsden Sandy, My James FIELDEN (1842-after 1911) marr. Elizabeth BARKER (18 May 1863) at Cross Stone Church when she was living in Back Brook Street, Todmorden. She was born in 1841 (I am still considering whether to get the Cert.). Her father was William BARKER (a Carter). Their child Emily marr. Arthur Charles ROBERTS and their daughter Martha Ellen married my grandchildren's other g.father.So that is as far as I have been able to go with the BARKER line. The Book I referred to mentions the BARKER name. I think the first mention is to Mr. John BARKER, a Church warden, of Stansfield Hall who contributed to the writing of the book in 1911 and served the church of St.Mary's for many years in many capacities.There was also a John BARKER of Wellington Road (an active church worker for 50 years!). This same John B. may have also acted as caretaker. Another possible link to your family was the reference to the death of Joseph BARKER of Saundersclough Farm, who was a member of the Order of Oddfellows. I am still working my way through the text -more of a grind than a pleasant read. I also extracted a few BARKER families from the 1881 Census. There may be some in the Lancs. 1891 Census which I received last week. Unfortunately in 1891Todmorden was then in Yorkshire but I have found a few Todmorden names in Littleborough, another town in Lancs. but near to Todmorden. The 1881 Census BARKERs for Todmorden included a BARKER family, as a possible connection to my line,was living at 5 Little Holme Street, and comprised William (58) his wife Susan (57) and three adult children Martha A.(35) James (28) and Howorth? (21). All the children were Cotton Weavers and the father was a Draper's Shopman. If you do not have the 1881 Census I will do a look-up for you and if I find more ref. to BARKERs in the "Book" I'll let you know. Cheers, Ernest ----- Original Message ----- From: <GBHlnMT1@aol.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:58 PM ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Have you used Tree Tops? The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Andrea, Thank you for sharing the information regarding John Barker. I have read about a street in Todmorden named John Barker Street. Do you know the history of the naming of this street? Is it possible to post the picture of John Barker from the Todmorden Album? Sandy in Montana (USA)

Hi, everyone - this is particularly for Linda, (who I understand is interested in the surname Law amongst others,) but also for anyone else for whom this may be useful:- From the 1851 census, Township of Todmorden and Walsden, Ecclesiastical District of Walsden. Folio 526, page 4, Householder's schedule number 12. The address is 'Lanebottom'. John Law, head, married, 55 years, rag and bone dealer, born Walsden, Lancs. Betty Law, wife, married 51 years, born Walsden, Lancs. John Law, son, unmarried, 27 years, railway labourer, born Walsden, Lancs. Robert Law, son, unmarried, 23 years, railway plate layer, born Walsden, Lancs. Susannah Law, daughter, unmarried, 14 years, scholar, born Walsden, Lancs. William Dawson, brother in law, unmarried, 42 years, engine worker, born Walsden, Lancs. (So William Dawson must have been Betty Law's brother, which would make her Betty Dawson before she married.) This family lived only five houses away from my ancestor Richard Sutcliffe, who also lived in Lanebottom, with his parents Samuel and Betty, and brothers Abraham and Thomas, and sister Hannah. The other Law families which I have details of, are as follows:- 1851 census, Township of Todmorden and Walsden, Ecclesiastical District of Walsden. Folio 524, page 1, Householder's schedule numbers 3 and 4 (i.e. two households). The address is 'Smales', which came after two houses in Deanroydgate End, and before lots of houses in Lanebottom. Householder's schedule 3: 'Smales'. William Law, head, widower, 50 years, quarryman, born Walsden, Lancs. Samuel Law, son, unmarried, 23 years, picker maker (- what does this mean?), born Walsden, Lancs. Betty Law, daughter, unmarried, 20 years, housekeeper, born Walsden, Lancs. Thomas Law, son, unmarried, 17 years, picker maker, born Walsden, Lancs. Householder's schedule 4: 'Smales'. John Law, head, married, 47 years, quarryman, born Walsden, Lancs. Susan Law, wife, married, 48 years, born Walsden, Lancs. William Law, son, unmarried, 26 years, iron roller maker, born Walsden, Lancs. Robert Law, son, unmarried, 21 years, factory scutcher (cotton), born Walsden, Lancs. Samuel Law, son, unmarried, 19 years, picker maker, born Walsden, Lancs. Martha Law, daughter, unmarried, 8 years, at home, born Walsden, Lancs. Abraham Law, son, unmarried, 11 years, iron roller maker, born Walsden, Lancs. Anne

Thanks for your message, Ernest, about the people mentioned in the book which you own. It is interesting to hear of James Taylor being a warden - I have only heard of that term in reference to church wardens, rather than constables or others who helped to 'keep the peace'. If you do find any mention of Richard or Samuel Sutcliffe in this book, I would be interested to know. Although Richard Sutcliffe and his children seem to have been Methodists, as they married in the Methodist Church, Richard also had some connection with the Anglican Church. When his daughter Clara's birth was registered in March 1869, Richard's occupation was given as 'Lay clerk, York Minster'. Richard and his wife Betty do not seem to have lived in Todmorden or Walsden after their marriage in 1862 - they moved first to Rochdale, and then to York. By 1906, Betty died, I think in the London area, and my family tell me that Richard at some time went to America to try to make some money, but became ill, and had to come back to England, his family having scraped together his fare for his journey home. Anne

Sandy, My James FIELDEN (1842-after 1911) marr. Elizabeth BARKER (18 May 1863) at Cross Stone Church when she was living in Back Brook Street, Todmorden. She was born in 1841 (I am still considering whether to get the Cert.). Her father was William BARKER (a Carter). Their child Emily marr. Arthur Charles ROBERTS and their daughter Martha Ellen married my grandchildren's other g.father.So that is as far as I have been able to go with the BARKER line. The Book I referred to mentions the BARKER name. I think the first mention is to Mr. John BARKER, a Church warden, of Stansfield Hall who contributed to the writing of the book in 1911 and served the church of St.Mary's for many years in many capacities.There was also a John BARKER of Wellington Road (an active church worker for 50 years!). This same John B. may have also acted as caretaker. Another possible link to your family was the reference to the death of Joseph BARKER of Saundersclough Farm, who was a member of the Order of Oddfellows. I am still working my way through the text -more of a grind than a pleasant read. I also extracted a few BARKER families from the 1881 Census. There may be some in the Lancs. 1891 Census which I received last week. Unfortunately in 1891Todmorden was then in Yorkshire but I have found a few Todmorden names in Littleborough, another town in Lancs. but near to Todmorden. The 1881 Census BARKERs for Todmorden included a BARKER family, as a possible connection to my line,was living at 5 Little Holme Street, and comprised William (58) his wife Susan (57) and three adult children Martha A.(35) James (28) and Howorth? (21). All the children were Cotton Weavers and the father was a Draper's Shopman. If you do not have the 1881 Census I will do a look-up for you and if I find more ref. to BARKERs in the "Book" I'll let you know. Cheers, Ernest ----- Original Message ----- From: <GBHlnMT1@aol.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:58 PM

Hello Ernest, My name is Sandy Barker and I live in Helena, Montana, USA. I am researching the Barker family from Todmorden. Some time ago I took a tour via computer tour to Todmorden and found it to be a very beautiful place. I have read historical information about John Fielden. This reading gave me a glimpse of the social history of Todmorden. The Todmorden family that I am searching for are as follows: John Barker born about 1772; died February 16, 1849, in Orleans County, New York. This birthdate may be inaccurate. He is said to have married Nanny Hall who died March 5, 1851, in Orleans County, New York. Family stories indicate John was a velvet maker. His son, Joseph, in his memoirs, write that he immigrated with his father, John, in 1816 with these family members: John 2 Barker, born about 1801 in England, died 1874 in Phelps, New York. Col. Joseph Barker, born September 21, 1802, on Todmorden, Lancashire, England, died December 21, 1879. ( our line) William b. about 1811 in Todmorden, died February 1865 in Orleans County, New York. James Madison Barker, b. March 18, 1809, in England, died November 8, 1877, in Orleans County, New York. I note that you have listed your research families the Barker name is one of your research interest. Is there any possibility that our Barker family might be connected you the family you are researching? Sincerely yours, Sandy Barker Helena, Montana USA GBHlnMT1@aol.com