Todmorden Tourist Information, Burnley Rd Todmorden has a variety of booklets available on Tod. and surrounding areas. Available are: The Development of Todmorden 1700 to 1896 (updated 2000) Portrait of a Town (Mid-19th Century Todmorden) Walsden (A Century of Change 1780 - 1880) Walsden Words (How we used to live and speak) Todmorden Cameos Stoodley Pike The hardback book "The Fieldens of Todmorden" by Brian R. Laws is also available @ £20 Another usful booklet is Shore in Stansfield (A Pennine Weaving Community 1660 - 1750) Produced by the Workers Educational Assoc. but I am not sure if it is still in print. Based on only a small part of Todmorden ie Shore, it nevertheless contains a wealth of information, particularly about Fieldens and Stansfields with quite a few family trees. Jack (Todmorden)

For local history books, I can recommend www.Bookcase.co.uk, who are based in Hebden Bridge but do mail order. They stock the following very good books: The Fieldens of Todmorden: a 19th century business dynasty Brian Law, L20.00 hb. The contrasting personalities and lifestyles of the influential Fielden family through the generations. John Fielden's Todmorden Linda Croft, L8.95 pb The turbulent history of Todmorden in the 19th C, and John Fielden's part as an employer in encouraging agitation. Walsden Words: how we used to live and speak (L1.00) Todmorden Cameos - People of Note from a Small Town (L5.50) Walsden - A Century of Change 1780-1880 (1.50) Stoodley Pike (L1.50) Portrait of a Town - Mid-19th Century Todmorden (L2.50)

For those who asked (and anyone else), "The History of Todmorden" by Malcolm and Freda Heywood and Bernard Jennings Local bookshops do not seem to have it in paperback. However it is available in hardback. As it is out of print now it is priced at £20 + P and P. Available from: Border Bookshop 61a/63 Halifax Rd Todmorden Lancs OL14 5BB e-mail collinge@borderbookshop.fsnet.co.uk website www.borderbookshop.co.uk He has a few in stock I checked. Jack

Hello everyone, This is not exactly gen. but nonetheless interesting social history. My grandma, Walsden born and bred, had a wonderful Lancashire dialect which she retained all her life, even after 40 years away from Walsden. One of her favourite expressions, when asked where she was going, was: "up suff an' rown't back o' Jossies." Has anyone else heard of this? Yes, it is good to see this list becoming more active. Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com

Hi listers from all over, My problem with not being able to open PDF files from the internet has been solved by many of you listers. Apparently there were over 30 of you with the same problem! The majority of you told me to right click on the PDF link and save target to hard disk, then open it fro Acrobat. I tried this and it works, and also allows you to keep the file on disk to read off line at leisure. Many thanks to all of you, Linda Briggs

Ernest, Thanks for your reply. There were a lot of John SHACKLETONs! The one who died in 1820 age 67 is certainly my 4x gt grandfather, and I am descended from his son Henry. I have tied into my tree a John, baptised 10-12-1783, and another baptised 5-4-1820, and I know there were 'clerks' in the family. I would like to know more about these Johns, so thank you for your information. As is common at that time the SHACKLETONs had large families with the same first names used time and again so I'm inclined to err on the side of caution. Regards, Janet (Cambridge). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Wood" <drewood@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] Re: SHACKLETON > crome.cam wrote: > The Henry and Robert mentioned below were the sons of a John SHACKLETON > and Susan nee FIELDEN ( buried 5-4-1798, St. Mary's, Todmorden ). Their > brother John SHACKLETON's first wife was Sally FIELDEN (died c. 1824) > and mother of the Ann WOOD mentioned below. I don't think either Susan > or Sally came from the Big House ! > > Ramshaw's book "Concerning Todmorden Parish"despite its many failings > does have a photograph of John SHACKLETON (died 1861,the last of a > remarkable succession of Parish Clerks of that name) whose daughter Miss > SHACKLETON of Rise Lane and whose grandfather and great g.father, both > also named John SHACKLETON. The g.father died in 1841. There is a short > section under the heading "Backbone" devoted to another of his namesakes > who died 3rd Oct. 1820 at the age of 67. Another John S. - assistant > parish overseer - had "his salary augmented from £42 to £45 per annum" > and on the 3rd March 1825 this was further increased to £52. > There is also a reference to the same Miss SHACKLETON of Rise > Lane,Todmorden marrying "Mr. John WHITEHEAD,68,of Harbour Lane, > Milnrow.There is probably more but it has to be teased out of a rather > garbled text. > Regards, > Ernest (Southport,Lancs.) >

Message forwarded by List Owner - please do not reply to me. Regards, Carol, (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WE’LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: CAMUSD@aol.com <CAMUSD@aol.com> To: eng-todmorden-l-request@rootsweb.com <eng-todmorden-l-request@rootsweb.com> Date: 28 April, 2002 10:56 Subject: Subscribe Hi! My g g grandfather was born in Todmorden in 1837. I dont know much else about him or his family. Name Robert Thomas, married Alice and his son Alfred was born in Huddersfield. I would be grateful for any help. Maureen Maybank

Hello, I am researching the name of BREWER in Todmorden and Walsden, if anybody has any connections please get in touch with me. Regards, Alison. Mossley, Lancashire.

Hi Linda My address is sally.hinchliffe@btinternet.com. I look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes Sally --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Dear Sally, You haven't left your private email address for me to contact you off list. Thank you for doing this for me. I will send you my address and reimburse whatever it costs. Will write again off list Best wishes, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Hinchliffe" <sally.hinchliffe@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 7:31 PM Subject: [ENG-TOD] Travis book on Walsden Hi Linda, I've spent the last quarter of an hour trying to scan a couple of pages of the book on Walsden, - sorry but it hasn't worked. I'll take the book into work tomorrow and photocopy it. (The book is A5 size and has 66 pages so I'll try and get it all photocopied for you.) If you contact me off list with your address I'll send it on to you. A second hand book dealer looks out for any books on Todmorden for me and he found that one a couple of years ago. Which others do you have? Thanks for your offer of help. I shall probably take you up on it! Best wishes Sally --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Anglers Rest Indexes http://freespace.virgin.net/ar.indexes ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Linda, I've spent the last quarter of an hour trying to scan a couple of pages of the book on Walsden, - sorry but it hasn't worked. I'll take the book into work tomorrow and photocopy it. (The book is A5 size and has 66 pages so I'll try and get it all photocopied for you.) If you contact me off list with your address I'll send it on to you. A second hand book dealer looks out for any books on Todmorden for me and he found that one a couple of years ago. Which others do you have? Thanks for your offer of help. I shall probably take you up on it! Best wishes Sally --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

crome.cam wrote: The Henry and Robert mentioned below were the sons of a John SHACKLETON and Susan nee FIELDEN ( buried 5-4-1798, St. Mary's, Todmorden ). Their brother John SHACKLETON's first wife was Sally FIELDEN (died c. 1824) and mother of the Ann WOOD mentioned below. I don't think either Susan or Sally came from the Big House ! Ramshaw's book "Concerning Todmorden Parish"despite its many failings does have a photograph of John SHACKLETON (died 1861,the last of a remarkable succession of Parish Clerks of that name) whose daughter Miss SHACKLETON of Rise Lane and whose grandfather and great g.father, both also named John SHACKLETON. The g.father died in 1841. There is a short section under the heading "Backbone" devoted to another of his namesakes who died 3rd Oct. 1820 at the age of 67. Another John S. - assistant parish overseer - had "his salary augmented from £42 to £45 per annum" and on the 3rd March 1825 this was further increased to £52. There is also a reference to the same Miss SHACKLETON of Rise Lane,Todmorden marrying "Mr. John WHITEHEAD,68,of Harbour Lane, Milnrow.There is probably more but it has to be teased out of a rather garbled text. Regards, Ernest (Southport,Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "crome.cam" <crome.cam@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 6:41 PM

Hi Sally, I have made this message high priority because I have been trying to get hold of that Travis book for years. The library in Tod. won't send it out on loan via the inter-library scheme. Is it a large book, or would some of it photocopy or scan? I have 3 of his other books which are great, but it's that one I want!!! Where did you get it from? That William Law you mention is my 2 x great grandfather. My Crossleys were inter-married with that branch of the Laws. Please reply, I'm so envious!! I have a lot of Tod. and Walden registers, census' and MI's etc. if I can help you. Best wishes, Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Hinchliffe" <sally.hinchliffe@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: [ENG-TOD] New subscriber. Interests Holt, Cockcroft, Sutcliffe, Fielden Hello, I am a new subscriber and would like to share what information I have (and hopefully receive information too) on Todmorden families. My main interest is the Holt family, who were Picker makers and had mills at Shade and Eastwood, Their business started at Sourhall in the building that later became an isolation hospital. Prior to picker making they seem to have been farmers. Other names which feature a lot in my family tree include Cockcroft, Sutcliffe and Fielden. I've looked on Rootsweb at the messages that have already been sent and think it is possible that I may be able to help out with some of the queries that people have. I have quite a few books on Todmorden, some fairly new, others very old, which I am quite happy to go through to find information to help other people in their research. I work full time though, and also assist with a local Cub pack so if I'm sometimes a bit slow to respond please forgive me. One of the books, 'Walsden Families in Olden Times', by John Travis, which was published in 1903 contains a lot of information on family histories.Where the family originated, what they did for a living, who they married etc. The families mentioned are Fielden, Bottomley, Hollinrake, Howarth, Dawson, Hill, Greenwood, Taylor, Jackson, Schofield, Crossley, Law, Newell, Jackson, Haigh, Barker. I think the Law family is almost certainly the same family Linda has been asking questions about as I have found a reference to a William Law marrying firstly Sarah Law, his cousin and then secondly Hannah Woodhead of Top-o'th'-hill. If you don't have the book and would like more information please let me know. Best wishes Sally --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Anglers Rest Indexes http://freespace.virgin.net/ar.indexes ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Good to see this list becoming more active. Following the recent 'chat' about FIELDENs I thought I would re-post my original query. The Henry and Robert mentioned below were the sons of a John SHACKLETON and Susan nee FIELDEN ( buried 5-4-1798, St. Mary's, Todmorden ). Their brother John SHACKLETON's first wife was Sally FIELDEN (died c. 1824) and mother of the Ann WOOD mentioned below. I don't think either Susan or Sally came from the Big House ! ----- Original Message ----- From: crome.cam To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:47 AM Subject: SHACKLETON My 3 x gt.grandfather, Henry SHACKLETON, b.circa 1788 in Todmorden, m. Barbara HARGRAVE in Quebec while in the army, 15-3-1815, d. 15-2-1874 and is buried in Walsden Churchyard in " his brother Robert's grave with his wife." Can someone tell me whose wife, Henry's or Robert's? Any facts about Barara HARGRAVE or Robert SHACKLETON would be helpful. Henry SHACKLETON spent much of his life in the RA, abroad or in Woolwich. Can someone tell me when he returned to the Walsden / Todmorden area? When he died he was living with his niece, Ann WOOD, nee SHACKLETON ,at 36 Hollins Mount, Walsden.

Hello, I am a new subscriber and would like to share what information I have (and hopefully receive information too) on Todmorden families. My main interest is the Holt family, who were Picker makers and had mills at Shade and Eastwood, Their business started at Sourhall in the building that later became an isolation hospital. Prior to picker making they seem to have been farmers. Other names which feature a lot in my family tree include Cockcroft, Sutcliffe and Fielden. I've looked on Rootsweb at the messages that have already been sent and think it is possible that I may be able to help out with some of the queries that people have. I have quite a few books on Todmorden, some fairly new, others very old, which I am quite happy to go through to find information to help other people in their research. I work full time though, and also assist with a local Cub pack so if I'm sometimes a bit slow to respond please forgive me. One of the books, 'Walsden Families in Olden Times', by John Travis, which was published in 1903 contains a lot of information on family histories.Where the family originated, what they did for a living, who they married etc. The families mentioned are Fielden, Bottomley, Hollinrake, Howarth, Dawson, Hill, Greenwood, Taylor, Jackson, Schofield, Crossley, Law, Newell, Jackson, Haigh, Barker. I think the Law family is almost certainly the same family Linda has been asking questions about as I have found a reference to a William Law marrying firstly Sarah Law, his cousin and then secondly Hannah Woodhead of Top-o'th'-hill. If you don't have the book and would like more information please let me know. Best wishes Sally --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Hello, I am new to this list and am hoping for a minor miracle to break down a brick wall concerning my grandparents. I am seeking infomation on Stanhope HORSFIELD born 22 May 1908 at 2 Churn Lane, Warley, Halifax to Ellen HORSFIELD. His wife Mary Hannah Elizabeth FREEBAIRN was borm in Carlise in 1910. I know they lived in Todmorden in 1936 when their son Colin was born; their daurghter Barbara had been born 2 years previously in Rochdale. There is a further child Keith. Due to family circumstances I am unable to visit the area to search locally held records and would appreciate any input. Fiona Sendall Garston, UK fifimerri@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Jack, Thank you for this information on the books, which I shall follow up. Do you know of any books which might help me with my research on the Law family (previously farmers from Langfield - Broad Carr and Spencer House, and then Mellings and Hazelgreave, and more latterly Ramsden Wood Manufacturers, also Smithyholme Mill and Deanroyd Farm). I am also researching Crossleys in the area aswell as Woodheads. Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com

Hello all "A History of Todmorden" ISBN 1-85825-057-9 will check availability in local book stores and post results here. Perhaps copies of earlier book "The Fielden Trail" Jim Jarratt may be still available. ISBN 1-870071-15-8 Book is really a walking book detailing points of interest in the area connected to the Fieldens, and contains a wealth of history on the family and the town. There is a Quaker Burial ground on the hill just above the Unitarian Church (SHOEBROAD QUAKER BURIAL GROUND)but until recently Quakers were buried in unmarked graves so there is not a lot to see. There are though apparently 24 Quaker Fieldens buried here. Joshua Fielden (I) of Bottomley buried here 21/4/1693 followed by successive Joshuas. The last being 'Honest John's' father. Joshua Fielden (IV) of Edge End and later Waterside buried April 1811. Last Fielden buried here was Joshua's youngest surviving daughter, Salley Fielden. Died Waterside 18/9/1859 (79). Mary Fielden's aunt. Also buried here are John and Tamar Fielden of Todmorden Hall. Samuel and Joshua Fielden (2 of brothers to build Units. church) are buried just outside the church. John Fielden J.P. (3rd brother) is buried in Grinston Park near Leeds. Jack (Todmorden)

Hi All, Another list of church photographs that I've added/replaced on the Genuki Yorkshire site over the last couple of days. There's roughly the same amount again to come in the near future, mainly NRY. I forgort to mention on the last update that there are a couple of new Yorkshire Genealogy mailing lists: Doncaster Todmorden information on these can be found on the main Genuki Yorkshire page under "Genealogy". Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Rare Books on CD: http://www.blunham.demon.co.uk/CDroms/ Baine's & Bulmers directories, History of Craven, Heywood/Northowram, National gazetteer of Great Britain & Ireland, Whelan's York & NRY ------------------------------- Places in brackets are the relevant (ancient) parishes. Unless otherwise specified, the churches are C of E. If you have an interest in church architecture you should visit: http://www.churchcrawler.co.uk Church Photographs: Ainsty: Nether Poppleton Upper Poppleton Methodist Acomb St Stephen - additional Acomb St Aidan Acomb Holy Redeemer Acomb Baptist Acomb Methodist Acomb Lidget Gr. Methodist Woodthorpe (Acomb) Dringhouses (Acomb) West Thorpe Methodist (Acomb) Acomb Roman Catholic Holgate St Paul's Mission (Acomb) Fulford Old St. Paul Barlby (Hemingbrough) Acaster Malbis - additional Acaster Selby - additional (Stillingfleet) Appleton Roebuck -additional (Bolton Percy) Bolton Percy - additional NRY: New Earswick (Huntington) New Earswick Methodist ERY: Fulford Methodist Ricall Methodist Deighton Methodist (Escrick) Thorganby Methodist WRY: Selby Abbey - 2 views Selby St. James Brayton Methodist Tadcaster Tadcaster Methodist Tadcaster Roman Catholic Ryther Methodist Cawood - additional Cawood Methodist Saxton - additional Church Fenton Methodist Scarthingwell Roman Catholic Sherburn in Elmet Methodist Sherburn in Elmet Roman Catholic Barkston Ash - additional (Sherburn in Elmet) Monk Fryston - additional Monk Fryston - ex-Wesleyan Burton Salmon Methodist Brotherton URC Birkin - additional Kellington - additional Eggborough (Kellington) Hensall - 2 views (Snaith) Hensall Methodist (Snaith) Great Heck (Snaith) Snaith - additional Snaith Methodist Chapel Haddlesey - 2 views (Birkin) Temple Hirst (Birkin) Replacement Church Photos: Ainsty: Acaster Malbis Naburn (Acaster Malbis) Acaster Selby (Stillingfleet) Bishopthorpe Bishopthorpe Palace Bolton Percy Colton (Bolton Percy) Appleton Roebuck (Bolton Percy) Bolton Percy ERY: Fulford Skipwith Skipwith Methodist Ricall Barlby Methodist (Hemingbrough) Escrick Low Catton Fridaythorpe NRY: Murton (Osbaldwick) WRY: Brayton Tadcaster Ulleskelf Ryther Sherburn in Elmet Wistow Snaith Carlton (Snaith) Drax

Jack, My current searches into the FIELDENs of Todmorden are to try to establish whether and to what extent there was any truth in the belief held by a now deceased friend and in-law, Don Whitehead. Don believed that his James FIELDEN's tree was related to that of one of my own Social History heroes,John FIELDEN M.P. Don died before I was able to follow up his statement. It just happens that in my teaching days I had an academic interest in Social and Labour History so connections between branches and twigs on my Family Tree and Social matters interest me. The James FIELDEN referred to was only one of the 16 or so possible James FIELDENs in the 1881 Census.I have established that the James was the one who, in 1881, lived at No.4 Dobroyd and by 1911 was living at 2 Sanworth Street,Halifax Rd.,Todmorden. Don claimed that some of his other forebears were involved in the construction of the Castle.He also stated that the Castle, before it became a Religious Retreat, was owned by a direct descendant, an Air-line pilot, of John FIELDEN M.P. Regrettably Don died on the day our joint grand-child was married and his papers, which I had seen along with a Family Bible, are now missing. It is not my intention to compile the WHITEHEAD/FIELDEN family tree but for the sake of Don's widow and descendants I hope to cast some light on the mystery. In this respect, due mainly to people like Linda and others on this and other Lists, I now am aware of the large number of descendants of the original 17thC. FIELDING of Todmorden and with a bit more delving and corroboration I hope to pass the results of my search to my son-in-law and Don's and my grandchildren. Regards, Ernest (Southport) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Davies" <jack.davies@idnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 9:11 PM