Sorry Jack, I'm in Clitheroe. It's Janet who is in Cambridge!! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Davies" <jack.davies@idnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: [ENG-TOD] Shore Linda, Fancy you wishing Tod. was closer to Cambridge. Here am I up in Todmorden researching my family from the Shelford area of Cambridge and you down there doing the opposite. "Shore in Stansfield" was published by the Cornholme branch of the Workers' Educational Association. I don't know if the branch secretary is still the same as when the booklet was published ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Interested in Modern Newspaper Indexes? http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Newspapers.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Kent, It's those sort of stories that make family history worthwhile!! As for your query on Blackburn Parish Church, you are correct. This is now the Cathedral. Witton is part of Blackburn these days, although for census purposes it was put with Darwen. CD Archive Books have a CD on the History etc. of Blackburn if you are interested. Also, I have an index to the 1851 census of Darwen and Witton (surname only with cross ref to address). There are no Ormerods listed. What is your connection with Todmorden? Regards Linda

Linda, Fancy you wishing Tod. was closer to Cambridge. Here am I up in Todmorden researching my family from the Shelford area of Cambridge and you down there doing the opposite. "Shore in Stansfield" was published by the Cornholme branch of the Workers' Educational Association. I don't know if the branch secretary is still the same as when the booklet was published

Thanks for the information Linda, from my memory of visiting the graveyard years ago I know some of the gravestones I'm interested in are at the front. I seem to remember them laying flat on a slight slope. My grandparents grave is at the back of the Chapel, I can roughly remember where it is. I know there are other relatives graves in there somewhere. I used to be taken there quite often as a child - how I wish I'd taken more notice of what my father used to tell me about his family! I don't know when I'll manage to get to Clough Foot, but I'll let you know how I get on. Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] Walsden Gravestones > Sally, > I have never seen anything quite like the burial ground at Clough Foot. It > has to be seen to be believed. The Chapel has been converted into a private > house but the grave yard is protected. It is still used as a burial place!! > The house stands in the middle of the graves - some of the stones are very > close to the front door. As you may know, the Chapel is quite isolated apart > from a farm across the road. I don't think I would like to be returning home > there late at night!! > > At the side of the front garden, to the right as you face the house, there > is a pathway, through a farm gate, and then on the left a little higher up > you will find the entrance.The oldest graves are the ones nearest to the > house. Those right at the back are the new ones. > > The owners of the house try to maintain the graves, and most are in > reasonable condition. However!! The owner has several dogs and even more > cats, so watch out for the wild life. (All very friendly).She keeps the > grass down by letting the sheep out onto it. Her name is Cheryl and she is a > lovely lady, if a bit disorganised. She works from home so is there most of > the time. She has a massive file on the graves, including photos etc. and > will show you where the graves are that you want to see. > > The grave site is public so there is no reason why you shouldn't just turn > up. We did. However, as there is no distinction between the burial ground > and the garden you may feel happier if you knocked on the door. > > It really is worth a visit even if you don't find who you are looking for!! > Some of my Laws are there as they lived at Hazelgreave and Mellings farms, a > mile or so further on down the lane. > > Let me know how you go on if you visit it, > > Linda > > > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > C J Genealogy > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Lists.htm > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

To Linda and Jack, Yes, Janet is delighted! So much information. I just wish Cambridge was nearer Todmordon. If there is any more information you feel you could send I would be grateful. I must see if I can track down a copy of the booklet somewhere. Many thanks , Janet.

Linda, Unfortunately the book is mainly concerned with Fieldens, Stansfields and to a very small extent Greenwoods of Croft House. There isn't an index but a quick look through shows no names you mention. Though Elizabeth Travis' fathers will looked very complicated and interesting. There is a chapter on Women and inheritance. Also chapters on Tenants of Shore and the Quakers of Shore and a very good ref section at the back. Jack

Jack, I'm sure Janet will be delighted with that information as her ancestors spring from Susan daughter of John IV, and she knew nothing of the Fielden line before this week! I wish I had some in my lines now!! Does this book mention any Crossleys or Laws by any chance? Do you have any details of books about Wadsworth area in the 1700's? I am stuck with my 3 x great grandfather, William Crossley, born about 1771 in Wadsworth. Possible father Anthony. William arrived in Walsden when he was about 16 and I know nothing of his previous life. Just a thought! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Davies" <jack.davies@idnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] Re: SHACKLETON

Sally, I have never seen anything quite like the burial ground at Clough Foot. It has to be seen to be believed. The Chapel has been converted into a private house but the grave yard is protected. It is still used as a burial place!! The house stands in the middle of the graves - some of the stones are very close to the front door. As you may know, the Chapel is quite isolated apart from a farm across the road. I don't think I would like to be returning home there late at night!! At the side of the front garden, to the right as you face the house, there is a pathway, through a farm gate, and then on the left a little higher up you will find the entrance.The oldest graves are the ones nearest to the house. Those right at the back are the new ones. The owners of the house try to maintain the graves, and most are in reasonable condition. However!! The owner has several dogs and even more cats, so watch out for the wild life. (All very friendly).She keeps the grass down by letting the sheep out onto it. Her name is Cheryl and she is a lovely lady, if a bit disorganised. She works from home so is there most of the time. She has a massive file on the graves, including photos etc. and will show you where the graves are that you want to see. The grave site is public so there is no reason why you shouldn't just turn up. We did. However, as there is no distinction between the burial ground and the garden you may feel happier if you knocked on the door. It really is worth a visit even if you don't find who you are looking for!! Some of my Laws are there as they lived at Hazelgreave and Mellings farms, a mile or so further on down the lane. Let me know how you go on if you visit it, Linda

Hi Linda There are a lot of my Holt relatives buried at Clough Foot, including my Grandparents. I know the Chapel was converted into private living accommodation some time ago, is there still access to the graves? If there is, and it is by arrangement with the current owners, do you have a contact name and number for them? Thanks Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] Walsden Gravestones > Andrea, > Thanks for the gravestones. > If anyone is interested I have 42 Crossley gravestones, mostly at St. > Peter's, some at St. Mary's, Cross Stones and Clough Foot Independent. I > also have a similar number of Laws, aswell as a few Woodheads and odds and > sods. > Linda > > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > Interested in Anglo-Italian Research? > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Linda & Janet, The booklet "Shore in Stansfield" lists the family tree of the Fieldens you mention. John who married Elizabeth Travis of Inchfield is written up as John V it lists all their children and goes back through Johns IV, III, II and I. It only lists 4 children though for John IV, namely Susan, Mary, John and Ann. Further info could be available bearing in mind this weekends discussions. Lots of other trees are included as well as wills etc. Jack (Todmorden) -------Original Message------- From: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com Date: 07 May 2002 17:16:40 To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] Re: SHACKLETON Janet, I have found the following, but please be cautious with the dates etc. They should be checked against the registers. I got the baptism and marriage dates from the IGI just to give me an idea of the time period we are looking at. The names came from John Travis apart from Mary Crossley - that was the IGI, but all the children fit in with it being her. Please check if you can. You may also like to get the will that's mentioned. This is a quote from Some Old Walsden Families by John Travis. "John Ffielden of Inchfield made a will in 1757, 26th. November, bequest to Dorothy his wife of furniture, and a farm called Weetshaw in Todmorden, and a cottage adjoining, during her life, and after that to her nephew, John Ffielden, the youngest son of John Ffeilden late of Shore in Stansfield, in the county of York, deceased, by Elizabeth her sister. Sole Executor his cousin Joshua Fielden of Edge End, Todmorden. Joshua renounced probate, and administration was granted to the widow, Dorothy.".................. "....The above Dorothy was probably the daughter of John Travis of Inchfield, being interred at St. Mary's Church, Todmorden, in the same grave...." (THIS MEANS THAT HER SISTER WOULD BE ELIZABETH TRAVIS.) ".......... The last Nicholas (Nick) died in 1821, being descended from the John Ffielden who inherited Wetshaw Farm, Todmorden." The pedigree seems to be: John Fielden of Shore, Stansfield, died before 1757. Married Elizabeth Travis at Halifax on 10 Sept. 1719. Their youngest son, John Fielden, married Mary Crossley, Feb. 1754 at St. Mary's, Todmorden. They had at least 5 children: Susan, baptised 23.3.1755 at Todmorden, born in Walsden, married John Shackleton the eldest. Ann, baptised 4.11.1759 at Todmorden, married John Schofield of Reddishore Nicholas, baptised 27.5.1764 at Todmorden, married Dorothy Crossley 28 Dec. 1786 at St. Chads, Rochdale. Died 1821 John, went to live at Warland Mary, had a natural son, James Fielden, by William Walton. That's about it for now, unless I find something else. Happy Hunting! Linda Interested in Modern Newspaper Indexes? http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Newspapers.htm To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetidW1&sourceid37

Thanks to both Anne & Linda for doing some research on the Kirkhams. My Gr. Grandfather's name was William Kirkham. He was born 2 February 1830 in Blackburn, Eng. According to the a March 2000 copy of his first marriage record, on 15 January 1854 he married Ellen Rostrum(?) The penmanship of whomever wrote the copy is not good. William is described as a bachelor with the occupation of "moulder". In the States that would be similar to a tool & die man, I believe. His father's name is listed as Benjamin and Benjamin's occupation is give as Labourer. Ellen's parents are not listed. The wedding was performed in the parish church parish of Blackburn. Is this now the Cathedral Church of St. Mary? Sometime after 1856, Ellen must have died because on 30 September 1860 William Kirkham married Jane Ormerod at St. Mark's, Witton. Jane was born 8 January 1833. Her father was Thomas Ormerod and her mother Nancy Sumner. I can find this family on the 1851 census. Nancy Sumner was descended from Samuel Crompton who invented the Spinning Mule. This descent gave rise to a story in my family about a large estate Due us in Chancery that Jane Ormerod went back to try and collect. Only the facts had been corrupted so that by the time I heard it, the fortune was the result of a wealthy daughter being disinherited after eloping with a groom on the estate. Who knows, but I certainly can't find any record of a wealthy daughter or poor groom in the genealogy. Thought you might enjoy the legend. Kent Kirkham

Hi Andrea, Please may I have the file on Lumbutts? Thank you, Linda Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com UNITED METHODIST FREE CHURCH LUM BUTTS. A brief Account of its Origin and Local Obituary. including a list of 'well-known persons who have been interred at the above place since its formation'

Janet, I have found the following, but please be cautious with the dates etc. They should be checked against the registers. I got the baptism and marriage dates from the IGI just to give me an idea of the time period we are looking at. The names came from John Travis apart from Mary Crossley - that was the IGI, but all the children fit in with it being her. Please check if you can. You may also like to get the will that's mentioned. This is a quote from Some Old Walsden Families by John Travis. "John Ffielden of Inchfield made a will in 1757, 26th. November, bequest to Dorothy his wife of furniture, and a farm called Weetshaw in Todmorden, and a cottage adjoining, during her life, and after that to her nephew, John Ffielden, the youngest son of John Ffeilden late of Shore in Stansfield, in the county of York, deceased, by Elizabeth her sister. Sole Executor his cousin Joshua Fielden of Edge End, Todmorden. Joshua renounced probate, and administration was granted to the widow, Dorothy.".................. "....The above Dorothy was probably the daughter of John Travis of Inchfield, being interred at St. Mary's Church, Todmorden, in the same grave...." (THIS MEANS THAT HER SISTER WOULD BE ELIZABETH TRAVIS.) ".......... The last Nicholas (Nick) died in 1821, being descended from the John Ffielden who inherited Wetshaw Farm, Todmorden." The pedigree seems to be: John Fielden of Shore, Stansfield, died before 1757. Married Elizabeth Travis at Halifax on 10 Sept. 1719. Their youngest son, John Fielden, married Mary Crossley, Feb. 1754 at St. Mary's, Todmorden. They had at least 5 children: Susan, baptised 23.3.1755 at Todmorden, born in Walsden, married John Shackleton the eldest. Ann, baptised 4.11.1759 at Todmorden, married John Schofield of Reddishore Nicholas, baptised 27.5.1764 at Todmorden, married Dorothy Crossley 28 Dec. 1786 at St. Chads, Rochdale. Died 1821 John, went to live at Warland Mary, had a natural son, James Fielden, by William Walton. That's about it for now, unless I find something else. Happy Hunting! Linda

Following on with my project of scanning and converting to text the Almanacks, I have the following text files taken from the 1881 Almanack: UNITED METHODIST FREE CHURCH LUM BUTTS. A brief Account of its Origin and Local Obituary. including a list of 'well-known persons who have been interred at the above place since its formation' HONOUR TO A WALSDEN MAN. About Mr. Samuel Fielden, Clough, Walsden, who was engaged as manager at the Sholapoor Spinning and Weaving Company's mill. LIST OF MEMBERS FOR:- Todmorden Local Board Todmorden School Board Todmorden Musical Society

Andrea, Thanks for the gravestones. If anyone is interested I have 42 Crossley gravestones, mostly at St. Peter's, some at St. Mary's, Cross Stones and Clough Foot Independent. I also have a similar number of Laws, aswell as a few Woodheads and odds and sods. Linda

I have the following details of gravestones at St Peters Church Graveyard - I also have JPG photo's to match, so let me know if you would like a copy. Andrea. Walsden St Peter's Church Graveyard Reference: WRIGLEYS GRAVESTONE --------------------------------- "In loving Memory Of Thomas Fielden, only son of Thomas and Mary Wrigley, of Waterside House, Todmorden, who died Aug 29th 1892, aged 17 years. --Safe Home--." "Also of the above named Thomas Wrigley, of Elm House, Todmorden, who died Oct 28th 1898, aged 83 years." "Also of the above Mary Wrigley, born 16th Feb 1837, died 4th Nov 1905." Reference: GRAVESTONE FOR F.J.R SUTCLIFFE & JESSIE -------------------------------------------------------- "In loving memory of HANNAH, wife of Frederic J. R. Sutcliffe, C.E., Low Moor Bradford, Born Oct 27th 1842, Died March 2nd 1895 --SAFE HOME --." "Also of the above named Frederic J. R. Sutcliffe, C.E., Born 22nd Jun 1844, Died 11th Feb 1906 --AT REST --." "Also of Jessie, wife of the above, Died Sep 23rd 1930, aged 67 years." "In loving memory of Mabel M Ramsbottom, daughter of Frederic J.R and Jessie Sutcliffe, died Sep 4th 1903, aged 18 months. -- OF SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN --. " "Geoffrey Fielden, dearly beloved son of the above died Dec 9th 1919, aged 22 years. -- THY WILL BE DONE --. " Reference: GRAVESTONE FOR CHARLES SUTCLIFFE --------------------------------------------------- Note this is a separate gravestone stone but included within the boundaries of the gravestone for F.J.R Sutcliffe "Also of Oswald Aspinall, the son of Charles and Elizabeth Sutcliffe, born Aug 27th 18?9, died Aug 30 1861." Reference: GRAVESTONE FOR THO. FIELDEN OF INCHFIELD VILLA ------------------------------------------------------------------- "In loving memory of Thomas Fielden of Inchfield Villa, Walsden, who died Feb 26th 1896, aged 66 years." "Also of Margaret, his wife, who died Nov 19th 1897, aged 68 years." "Also of Robert Thomas, their son who died Feb 3rd 1906, aged 36 years." "Also of Annie, their daughter, who died May 9th 1935, aged 72 years." "Also of Susey, their daughter, who died May 1st 1945, aged 82 years." "Also of Robert their son, who died Oct 22nd 1853, aged 1 year." "Also of Mary Hannah, their daughter, who died July 29th 1860, aged 1 year." "Also of Emily, their daughter, who died March 27th 1869, aged 2 years." "Also of Mabel, the daughter of Josiah and Alice Fielden, born June 4th 1901, died Jan 13th 1902." "Also of Robert, their infant son who died Jan 3rd 1909." "Also of Josiah Fielden, J.P., who died Feb 18th 1951, aged 78 years." "Also of Alice, wife of the above, who died Aug 24th 19060, aged 87 years." Reference: GRAVESTONE FOR JAMES FIELDEN OF PEEL COTTAGE -------------------------------------------------------------------- "In memory of James Fielden of Peel Cottage, Walsden. Died Jan 14th 1852, aged 32 years." "Also Sarah, daughter of the above, died Dec 28th 1853, aged 8 years." "Also Mally, died Sep 6th 1860, aged 16 years." "Also Susey, died Aug 26th 1863, aged 16 years." "Also Hannah, died at Hook, July 19th 1903, aged 54 years." "Also Mary, widow of the said James Fielden, died April 13th 1905, aged 80 years." "Also Alice, their daughter, died July 26th 1912, aged 61 years. --AT REST--." Reference: GRAVESTONE FOR YOUNG JAMES FIELDENS -------------------------------------------------------- "Fred, died January 24th 1877, aged 10 months." "Samuel, died Apr 22nd 1881, aged 13 months." "Percy, died Dec 19th 1892, aged 3 years. Beloved children of Young James and Mary Fielden of Walsden." "Also of the above Young James Fielden who died March 15th 1916, aged 62 years." "Also of the aforesaid Mary Fielden, born Dec 16th 1853, died Nov 28th 1930." "Also of Emily Fielden, died Oct 29th 1958, aged 82 years." "Also of Susan Haigh Foulds, died July 27th 1968, aged 80 years." "Also of Alice Fielden, died June 2nd 1962, aged 80 years." Reference: GRAVESTONE FOR SAMUEL FIELDEN J.P. --------------------------------------------------- "In memory of JOSIAH, eldest son of Samuel and Alice Fielden, of Walsden, Died Nov 30th 1864, aged 2 weeks." "Also of JOHN, second and only surviving son of the above names, born Jan 18th 1869, died Nov 2nd 1893." "Also of the above named SAMUEL FIELDEN, J.P., of Waterside House, Todmorden, who died Jun 26th 1902, aged 63 years." "Also of the above named ALICE FIELDEN, who died Sep 26th 1905, aged 65 years." "In memory of JOHN HAIGH FIELDEN, died May 8th 1877, aged 32 years." "Also CHARLES R.S. FIELDEN, only son of the above, died May 29th 1877, aged 11 months." "In memory of ROBERT FIELDEN of Inchfield, died July 14th 1874, aged 81 years." "Also of SUSAN, widow of the above Robert Fielden, died Apr 4th 1867, aged 84 years." "Also of JOSIAH FIELDEN, son of the above, died Aug 20th 1860, aged 31 years." "Also of ROBERT FIELDEN, son of the above, died Feb 18th 1897, aged 70 years." "Also of HANNAH FIELDEN, last surviving daughter of Robert and Susan Fielden, who died at Elm House, Todmorden, Sep 10th 1913, in her 81st year." Reference: GRAVESTONE FOR JOHN WM HAIGH FIELDEN --------------------------------------------------------- "In loving memory of JOHN WILLIAM HAIGH FIELDEN" of 176 Waterloo Drive S.S. Blackpool, late of Birks House, Walsden, who died Apr 2nd 1903, aged 46. -- AT REST --." "Also of BETTY, wife of the above, who died Jan 11th 1925, aged 69."

Dear Andrea, Thanks for the Almanack, it makes interesting reading. Best wishes, Janet

Dear Andrea, Just a quickie for now. I hope to go to Todmorden Library on Friday and I believe there is a treasure pot of a back room there. Can you advise me what I may find and what to look for - and would I have to warn them in advance? Bye for now, Linda

-----Original Message----- From: Rosemary Stevenson <rosemary@face4.freeserve.co.uk> To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 06 May, 2002 12:31 Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [ENG-TOD] Todmorden books I have been interested in Sally's messages about her books.I have some of these but not as many as Sally.Are any of the books in Todmorden library ?I am especially interested in "Walsden families in Olden Times"as it mentions the Hollinrake family.Sally -Ishould be really grateful if you could let me have more details about this-I .tried to Email you but the messages are rejected. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Hinchliffe" <sally.hinchliffe@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: [ENG-TOD] Todmorden books > In response to Linda's request I have listed some of the books that I've managed to collect over the years. I've noted what Colin has said about copyright and I think these are all old enough to be legal. To the best of my knowledge none of them have been reprinted and most, if not all of them, are quite scarce. > > > > > > A Short History of Todmorden > > Joshua Holden > > 1912 > > > Round About Todmorden and its Hills and Dales > > John Travis > > 1895 > > > Historical Notes and Personal Reminiscences > > John Travis > > 1905 > > > Walsden Families in Olden Times > > John Travis > > 1903 > > > Notes (Historical and Biographical) mainly of Todmorden and District > > John Travis > > 1896 > > > Todmorden and the Great War > > J. A. Lee > > 1922 > > > History of Lanebottom Wesleyan Sunday School, Walsden 1809-1909 > > Sam Crossley & Ernest Law > > 1909 > > > Todmorden and Hebden Bridge Historical Almanacks for 1877,1889,1890, > > > > > > > 1891, 1892, 1893, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1900, 1901, 1902, 1903 > > > > > > > 1905, 1906, 1907, 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912, 1913, 1914 > > > > > > > > > If anyone would like me to look for any specific information from any of them please let me know. > > Sally > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > C J Genealogy > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Lists.htm > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Kent, I have found some Kirkhams in Darwen in 1851. These were taken from the 2% sample, so there are probably more of them. I hope these are of use to you Regards, Linda BURY FOLD, DARWEN THOMAS/KIRKHAM/HEAD/MARRD/50//LOOM STARTER/LAN/DARWEN/ MARY/KIRKHAM/W/MARRD//48/LOOM STARTERS WIFE/LAN/DARWEN/ JAMES/KIRKHAM/SON/UNMD/14//POWER LOOM WEAVER/LAN/DARWEN/ THOMAS/PRESTON/SON IN LAW/MARRD/23//COLLIER/LAN/DARWEN/ ALICE/PRESTON/SON IN LAWS WIFE/MARRD//25/POWER LOOM WEAVER/LAN/DARWEN/ HENRY/PRESTON/GRANDSON/UNMD/2//AT HOME/LAN/DARWEN/ MARY/PRESTON/GRANDAUR/UNMD//.833/AT HOME/LAN/DARWEN/ BURY FOLD, DARWEN JAMES/KIRKHAM/HEAD/MARRD/54//LABOURER/LAN/OVER DARWEN/ ELLEN/KIRKHAM/W/MARRD//54/LAB WIFE/LAN/PADIHAM/ JANE/KIRKHAM/D/UNMD//26/TWIST WINDER/LAN/PADIHAM/ THOMAS/KIRKHAM/SON/UNMD/25//LABOURER/LAN/PADIHAM/ RICHARD/KIRKHAM/SON/UNMD/23//POWER LOOM WEAVER/LAN/OVER DARWEN/ ELLEN/KIRKHAM/D/UNMD//15/POWER LOOM WEAVER/LAN/OVER DARWEN/ ALICE/KIRKHAM/D/UNMD//13/POWER LOOM WEAVER/LAN/OVER DARWEN/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Curnow" <annejennings@waitrose.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: [ENG-TOD] Ormerod, Kirkham and Woodhead surnames - searching the censuses Kent, There do seem to be a very few people who were not included in one census or other, but only very few - I have looked for hundreds of people in the censuses, and so far, there is only one family which I have looked for, and found that they definitely were not anywhere in the census. This was the 1881 census, which has a complete index of names, places etc, so I can be certain that the family was not included, as I have searched just for their christian names, as well as their surnames, address, place of birth etc. I have birth certificates for two of their children in the city of London, one just before, and one just after the 1881 census time, so I can be fairly certain they were in England then, and they weren't wealthy enough to be on holiday abroad, so I think the only explanation is that their names were not included in the half a dozen families who lived at the same address as they did at that time. However, it is worth searching further, if you can. By using census indexes, I have found quite a few families living in different places from the ones I expected, and sometimes with differently spelt names. For example, one family in the 1881 census transcript on CD-Rom was transcribed as 'Luckling', when their name was actually 'Suckling', because the capital 'S' looked very much like an 'L' in the writing of the time. It took me a long time before I thought of searching for this spelling! If you could give us more exact details of the families you are searching for in the 1851 census, perhaps someone might come across the family while they are looking for their own ancestors in the census. Let us know the christian names as well as the surnames, and some idea of their age in 1851, and where any particular ones were born or lived in England, if you know. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Kirkham" <kkirkham2021@insightbb.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: [ENG-TOD] Re: ENG-TODMORDEN-D Digest V02 #28 > Thanks for all the brouhaha over copywriting. It alerted me to the existence > of Archive CD Books from which I just ordered 30BP of CD's. > > You would not believe how difficult it is to find original sources about > small parishes such as Witton, Darwen, Kirkham, etc. on this side of the > Atlantic. Hopefully the CDs I ordered will give me a little more information > about these small villages. > > I know my family was in the UK in 1851, but I cannot locate them in the 1851 > census. Were a lot of families overlooked? Were some just too poor to be > counted? > > As an Episcopalian, I understand and agree with the sacramental reasons for > not allowing baptismal and marriage records to be microfilmed and > published. I understand this is the position of the position of the Bishop > of Lancashire. My own parish bans it also. > > I am researching the names of Ormerod, Kirkham and Woodhead in the Witton, > Kirkham, Darwen, Blackpool area. > > Thanks > > Kent Kirkham > Springfield, Illinois, USA ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Interested in Anglo-Italian Research? http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237