Are members aware of web site with all Travis Genealogical data on it? Available at http://members.lycos.co.uk/ClaireTravis/travisbo.html Jack
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http://www.dreamwater.net/treetops/Todmorden.htm Hi all, Above the address of the Todmorden Web Page attached to this List. Just been created so needing lots and lots more info to go onto it. What it does need is a listing of Books available and useful web sites. I know I could go through previous mailings and take off useful books, web links etc but would prefer it if you could re-send them to the admin address, so giving me permission to use your findings. There is a small list of Tod people mentioned on the site, can you add to it? Short description of places in Todmorden, again can you add to it. Any more suggestions as to what could go on the web site would also be appreciated. Regards, Carol - List Owner (From Todmorden) (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WELL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ E-mail: ENG-TODMORDEN-admin@rootsweb.com
Andrea, Thanks for sending the events of 1880 - very interesting. I would be grateful if you could also send me the text files of the United Methodist Free Church Lumbutts, and the list of members for the Todmorden local board, school board and musical society. I am hoping some of my family members will be mentioned, as at least some of them were Methodists, and had connections with music too, although a few of them had moved away from Todmorden by 1881. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrea Calman" <ahc@ivysystems.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: [ENG-TOD] More from 1881 Almanack > Following on with my project of scanning and converting to text the Almanacks, I have the following text files taken from the 1881 Almanack: > > UNITED METHODIST FREE CHURCH LUM BUTTS. > A brief Account of its Origin and Local Obituary. > including a list of 'well-known persons who have been interred at the above place since its formation' > > HONOUR TO A WALSDEN MAN. > About Mr. Samuel Fielden, Clough, Walsden, who was engaged as manager at the Sholapoor Spinning and Weaving Company's mill. > > LIST OF MEMBERS FOR:- > Todmorden Local Board > Todmorden School Board > Todmorden Musical Society > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > Anglers Rest Indexes > http://freespace.virgin.net/ar.indexes > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >
Jack, No, I think I would remember a name like Fleetwood Crossley. I am really struggling with one branch - the lot originating in Wadsworth. I have a different branch who originated from Walsden and I'm in a mess with those now, thanks to John Travis! Still, it keeps me off the streets! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Davies" <jack.davies@idnet.co.uk> Linda, Thanks for the files.They make fascinating reading. Have you come across FLEETWOOD CROSLEY (1683-1762) daughter of JAMES both of Midgelden, Todmorden? Jack
Dear Linda, Yes please. I'm having a wonderful time sorting it all out. Many thanks, Janet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] more Fieldens > Dear Janet and Jack, > I have read the latest pedigree of the Fieldens and notice a marriage to > Mary Crossley of Scaitcliffe. If you would like it, I have her pedigree back > to medieval times!! > Linda > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > C J Genealogy > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Lists.htm > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >
Andrea sent in some Tod. websites recently. Here are a few more you might like to explore. www.calderdale.gov.uk/ft_tourism/towns/tod/tod.html www.calderdale.gov.uk/libraries/history/todmorden.html www.mancuniensis.btinternet.co.uk/TodmordenAndWalsden1830.htm www.glenncannon.co.uk/roomfield_hist.htm www.glenncannon.co.uk/tod_churches.htm http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/Todmorden/Todmorden.html www.hct.org.uk/chapel3todmorden.html www.sypeland.freeserve.co.uk/site91.htm www.britishbus.co.uk/todmordenHF.htm www.penninewaterways.co.uk/rochdale/rc2.htm www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TEXfielden.htm " " " /IRfielden.htm " " " /TEXfieldenS.htm Putting Todmorden into GoogleBox produces about 17700 sites. Not all our Tod of course but some may be useful. Jack
-----Original Message----- From: Rosemary Stevenson <rosemary@face4.freeserve.co.uk> To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 09 May, 2002 11:39 Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [ENG-TOD] Walsden Gravestones I had a lot of help from Cheryl at Cloughfoot when I was living in Chalfont St.Peter.Since we moved to Yorkshire I have been twice to the graveyard.I spoke to Cheryl's husband and he said it was fine to go in even if they were out.I have a lot of ancestors buried there.A lovely ginger cat was asleep on one of their graves !I have Taylors ,Kershaws and Hollinrakes there.My cousin has a piece of silver which was given back to her when the chapel closed-it was given to the chapel in memory of my uncle who died in te 1914-18 war. --- From: "Linda" <Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] Walsden Gravestones > Sally, > I have never seen anything quite like the burial ground at Clough Foot. It > has to be seen to be believed. The Chapel has been converted into a private > house but the grave yard is protected. It is still used as a burial place!! > The house stands in the middle of the graves - some of the stones are very > close to the front door. As you may know, the Chapel is quite isolated apart > from a farm across the road. I don't think I would like to be returning home > there late at night!! > > At the side of the front garden, to the right as you face the house, there > is a pathway, through a farm gate, and then on the left a little higher up > you will find the entrance.The oldest graves are the ones nearest to the > house. Those right at the back are the new ones. > > The owners of the house try to maintain the graves, and most are in > reasonable condition. However!! The owner has several dogs and even more > cats, so watch out for the wild life. (All very friendly).She keeps the > grass down by letting the sheep out onto it. Her name is Cheryl and she is a > lovely lady, if a bit disorganised. She works from home so is there most of > the time. She has a massive file on the graves, including photos etc. and > will show you where the graves are that you want to see. > > The grave site is public so there is no reason why you shouldn't just turn > up. We did. However, as there is no distinction between the burial ground > and the garden you may feel happier if you knocked on the door. > > It really is worth a visit even if you don't find who you are looking for!! > Some of my Laws are there as they lived at Hazelgreave and Mellings farms, a > mile or so further on down the lane. > > Let me know how you go on if you visit it, > > Linda > > > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > C J Genealogy > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Lists.htm > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >
Linda, Thanks for the files.They make fascinating reading. Have you come across FLEETWOOD CROSLEY (1683-1762) daughter of JAMES both of Midgelden, Todmorden? Jack
John,it's on its way, off list Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Clark" <pjc@jclark20.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] more Fieldens I wouldnt mind a look, please Linda John > Jack, > It is on its way to you off list > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Davies" <jack.davies@idnet.co.uk> > To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] more Fieldens > > > Linda, > Would love Mary Crossley's pedigree if you wouldn't mind sending it. > If you don't want to post it on this site a file in Word would be great. > Thanks > Jack > > > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > Interested in Modern Newspaper Indexes? > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Newspapers.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== C J Genealogy http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Lists.htm http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
I wouldnt mind a look, please Linda John > Jack, > It is on its way to you off list > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Davies" <jack.davies@idnet.co.uk> > To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] more Fieldens > > > Linda, > Would love Mary Crossley's pedigree if you wouldn't mind sending it. > If you don't want to post it on this site a file in Word would be great. > Thanks > Jack > > > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > Interested in Modern Newspaper Indexes? > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Newspapers.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >
Jack, It is on its way to you off list Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Davies" <jack.davies@idnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] more Fieldens Linda, Would love Mary Crossley's pedigree if you wouldn't mind sending it. If you don't want to post it on this site a file in Word would be great. Thanks Jack
Linda, Would love Mary Crossley's pedigree if you wouldn't mind sending it. If you don't want to post it on this site a file in Word would be great. Thanks Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] more Fieldens > Dear Janet and Jack, > I have read the latest pedigree of the Fieldens and notice a marriage to > Mary Crossley of Scaitcliffe. If you would like it, I have her pedigree back > to medieval times!! > Linda > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > C J Genealogy > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Lists.htm > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >
Dear Janet and Jack, I have read the latest pedigree of the Fieldens and notice a marriage to Mary Crossley of Scaitcliffe. If you would like it, I have her pedigree back to medieval times!! Linda
Janet, Sorry I had to stop before but had to pick my wife up from town and it was more than my life was worth to be late. Nicholas = Sarah Sutcliffe = Sarah Foster Children children John of Green End Mary = Anthony Horsfall d. 1720 = Mary Susan = Jonathan Redman Margaret = John Knowles Nicholas b.1697 = Martha Children of John (III) & Margaret Nicholas d.1682 John (IV) of Hartley Royd = Mary Crossley of Scaitcliffe d.1711 d.1759 Joshua of Height Top = Susan Stansfield of The Shore d. bef. 1712 (separate tree available) Mary Children of John (IV) & Mary Susan b.1694 d.1719 Mary b. 1696 = ? Fielden child John John (V) of Hartley Royd = Elizabeth Travis of Inchfield b.1698 d.1745 Ann b.1704 Children of John (V) & Elizabeth John (VI) b.1721 d.1740 Mary b.1722 Margaret b.1725 Thomas b.1726 Ann b.1728 Samuel b.1730 d.1759 Robert b.1732 William b.1734 Betty b.1736 Dorothy b.1738 Agatha b.1742 John (VIa) b.1745 Best Wishes Jack
Anne & Linda, Thanks for your interest. My connection with Todmorden is that one of Jane Ormerod's sisters, Martha, married Charles Woodhead. Their daughter, Betsy married a Mr. John M. Mitten. Their son, John M. Mitton Jr. was mayor of Todmorden from about 1942 until 1945. I have communicated by letter with the Mittons and they seem very pleasant, but all the blood family and their stories have died. I understand there is still a Woodhead garage in the area, but have had no luck in receiving any replies to letters. I do not know if any of the descendants of Charles Woodhead and Martha Ormerod are still alive or not. So, that is my connection to Todmorden. One child, a daughter named Martha was born to William Kirkham and Jane Ormerod before they emigrated to the States. She was born 10 November 1861. The next child was born in 1863 here in Illinois. So I assume they left the U.K. In 1862. Is there an 1861 census that it is possible to check? You might be interested in another story. In 1874, William decided to buy virgin prairie in Iowa. When Jane and the children arrived at on the night train in Adair, Iowa she saw what she perceived to be the lights of great metropolis on the horizon. As she had been told there were no cities anywhere, she was quite confused and somewhat bewildered. What she was seeing was the burning of the prairie by homesteaders before they attempted to break the sod. She and the family actually had to live in a soddie that first winter. Not pleasant at all! If possible, does anyone have a jpeg of St. Mary's, Blackburn and St. Mark's, Witton that they'd be willing to either email me or send me a hard copy? I'd be very willing to pay for film, developing and postage of course. Thanks. Kent Kirkham
Jack, Thanks for the info. Your apology accepted! The children etc of John FIELDEN III would be most welcome. Janet.
Sounds like a holiday home swap:-) John in Doncaster (born in Halifax) > Linda, > > Fancy you wishing Tod. was closer to Cambridge. Here am I up in Todmorden > researching my family from the Shelford area of Cambridge and you down there > doing the opposite. > > "Shore in Stansfield" was published by the Cornholme branch of the Workers' Educational Association. I don't know if the branch secretary is still the same as when the booklet was published > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > Interested in Modern Newspaper Indexes? > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Newspapers.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >
Janet, Sorry for the abrupt ending to my last message. I left my computer to check on the local secretaries address and phone and saved the message, which was sent when I came back. The secretaries address given in the book though is not now the same. I will try to find a current one. Details: John Fielden (I) of Hartley Royd d. 1646 Child John Fielden (II) of Hartley Royd d. 1690 b.1612 d.1697 Children: Mary b.1642 (1)Richard Sutcliffe (2)James Bancroft John (III) of Dean b.1643 d.1672 Susan b. 1647 Joshua of Kitson Royd b.1650 d 1725 (separate tree here) Judith b1652 Nicholas b1654 d1698 (children from both marriages) Will send children etc of John (III) later if you wish as must go now. Just got a message from Linda. I must have put her name by mistake on the top of first message. Sorry to both. Jack
Kent, Was it your great grandfather, William Kirkham, and his second wife Jane Ormerod, who emigrated to America? When did they emigrate, or what is the first date that you know that they were in America? I wondered whether they had any children who might have been baptised in England, or whether just the two of them went to America. Anne