Linda, Many thanks for that kindness. I will now try to see if and where they link with my son-in-law's BARKER line which is through Elizabeth (bo.1840/1) the dau. of William (a carter) and Susan(?) of Tod. BTW I managed to borrow "John Fielden's Todmorden", through the Inter-Library Loan scheme. I have found it a well researched study as well as a fascinating read.It shows what a hot-bed of politics Tod. was. Out of all proportion to its size. The Maps and Photos also help to give an understanding of its history and topography. The account of Working Class Life and Culture is among the best I have studied. The book has tended to convince me that any linkage between John FIELDEN M.P. and James FIELDEN(bo. c.1842/3), choirmaster at St. Mary's and engine turner, is likely to have been remote despite James, in 1881, living at 4 Dobroyd. Dobroyd Castle built by John FIELDEN a descendant of the Honest John. Best wishes, Ernest ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:44 AM

This is for Ernest. I know you have the 1891 CD for Lancashire, and that Tod. is not shown. I was in Tod. library the other day and printed off some 1891 sheets with my own family on. There were some Barkers on this, so I thought I would send them to you. If they do belong to you I have further information about the address - my ancestors lived there. If anyone else is interested in these sheets, please let me know. Linda 4 Nicklety 4 rooms James Barker Head M 66 Retired coal miner Walsden Olive Barker Wife M 67 Walsden Nancy Barker Dtr S 30 Cotton rover employed Walsden Olive Barker Dtr S 24 Cotton winder employed Walsden Joshua Hoyle Boarder S 36 Coal miner employed Walsden

Peter, I believe you have touched a generational hot wire here in the States. Many younger people have adopted a communication style that omits all commas, apostrophes, etc. for web communications. For those of us trained to read and write more formally, it is disconcerting but also sometimes humorous. For instance he'll will be typed hell which can lead to some real double takes when reading a sentence. I've remonstrated with my acquaintances on more than one instance, but to no avail. Our only hope is that someday their children will probably drive them as nuts as they are us. Remember grandchildren are our revenge! Kent Kirkham kkirkham2021@insightbb.com

Esther, There were a lot of Sutcliffes in Todmorden - were yours all spelt Sutcliff, or are you also interested in the Sutcliffe spelling? If so, can you let us know more specifically who you are looking for, as I have details of a few Sutcliffes, but not many. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther Bramley" <bramleytree@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: [ENG-TOD] Firths sutcliffs and tonkiss > > > > >From: ENG-TODMORDEN-D-request@rootsweb.com > >Reply-To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: ENG-TODMORDEN-D@rootsweb.com > >Subject: ENG-TODMORDEN-D Digest V02 #42 > >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 03:01:37 -0600 > > > ><< message2.txt >> > ><< message4.txt >> > > Hi i am looking for information on the sutcliffs, firths and tonkiss. i have > a few gernerations to about 18881, if n e body has n e information on these > names i would be very greatfull > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > Tree Tops Indexes > http://freespace.virgin.net/tt.indexes > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Esther, Do you speak English? a n y body is as easy to write as n e body, don't you think? Grateful is spelt like this. Why add the extra L ? Hope people will reply. Check also the spelling of Sutcliffe. We are not savages. Not even the 18881 you mention ! What is a gernaration ? Sorry, but we really do try to maintain a certain level, amongst friends, that is. With kindest regards, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Esther Bramley To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: [ENG-TOD] Firths sutcliffs and tonkiss >From: ENG-TODMORDEN-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-TODMORDEN-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: ENG-TODMORDEN-D Digest V02 #42 >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 03:01:37 -0600 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> Hi i am looking for information on the sutcliffs, firths and tonkiss. i have a few gernerations to about 18881, if n e body has n e information on these names i would be very greatfull _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Tree Tops Indexes http://freespace.virgin.net/tt.indexes ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

>From: ENG-TODMORDEN-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-TODMORDEN-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: ENG-TODMORDEN-D Digest V02 #42 >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 03:01:37 -0600 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> Hi i am looking for information on the sutcliffs, firths and tonkiss. i have a few gernerations to about 18881, if n e body has n e information on these names i would be very greatfull _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

At my library visit today I found Leeming Hall on the 1891 census and the same family is still there. Any more clues as to who they are? (see my previous emails) James BARKER head M 51 Engineer & Millwright employer Todmorden, Yorks. Emma BARKER wife M 49 Hebden Bridge, Yorks Sarah BARKER dtr. S 23 Todmorden A.C. BARKER son S 7 Todmorden James C.BARKER son S 5 Todmorden Robert W. BARKER son 4 Todmorden My interest is not in the names but in the house.(My father was brought up there). I have the 1881 entry, but if anyone has 1841 - 1871 I would appreciate a copy. The house is up for sale at present. The details are at SPS Solicitors Property Shop. Linda

Hi all, At last I made it to Todmorden library today. I found quite a few things I was looking for and was pleased with my day, not least because I discovered a few gems in the Tourist Information shop. I spent the first hour trying to train the film reader to my ways. I failed miserably!! I got the hang of it eventually and even managed to use the printer. I went through a few old newspapers but the lens couldn't magnify sufficiently and I found myself squinting at such tiny writing that my eyes gave up, so I moved on to Parish Records and Census. It was well worth the trip. I do like Todmorden. Linda

Linda I haven't come across James Barker as yet, is it possible that he was related to Luke Barker of Stansfield Hall (possibly brother) - does anyone have any further info on him? Andrea. ---------- From: Linda[SMTP:Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com] Sent: 13 May 2002 18:44 To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-TOD] LEEMING HALL Hello again, In addition to those Sutcliffe gentlemen, are any of the following your people? (1881) Linda. Dwelling: Leeming Hall Census Place: Stansfield, York, England Source: FHL Film 1342040 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4357 Folio 87 Page 20 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James BARKER M 41 M Stansfield, York, England Rel: Head Occ: Engineer & Millwright Emma BARKER M 39 F Wadsworth, York, England Rel: Wife John COCKROFT U 20 M Wadsworth, York, England Rel: Son Cooper HOWARD U 21 M Wadsworth, York, England Rel: Visitor Occ: Drapers Assistant ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Tree Tops Indexes http://freespace.virgin.net/tt.indexes ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello again, In addition to those Sutcliffe gentlemen, are any of the following your people? (1881) Linda. Dwelling: Leeming Hall Census Place: Stansfield, York, England Source: FHL Film 1342040 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4357 Folio 87 Page 20 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James BARKER M 41 M Stansfield, York, England Rel: Head Occ: Engineer & Millwright Emma BARKER M 39 F Wadsworth, York, England Rel: Wife John COCKROFT U 20 M Wadsworth, York, England Rel: Son Cooper HOWARD U 21 M Wadsworth, York, England Rel: Visitor Occ: Drapers Assistant

Hello to you all, Those of you with Sutcliffe connections. Have you a Samuel Sutcliffe who, in 1824, was a Gentleman living at Leeming Hall, Millwood, Stansfield? Or a William Henry Sutcliffe esquire of the same address in 1910? Please let me know if you have. Linda

Linda Sorry for the delay in writing. No - I don't have any notes to help you. I have not come across the LAW or ASHWORTH family at all. My Olive ROBERTSHAW is abit like your record. There is an IGI record of Olive being born to Nancy ROBERTSHAW and William BENTLEY - chr 9Mar1812 at Heptonstall. I don't know if this is my record or not - it is just that the age is right, with the correct mother's name. Then when the mother Nancy, died in 1857, her funeral card was titled Mrs Nancy Robertshaw. So I don't know what her maiden name would be, and no idea who her husband would be or who is Olive's father. And who is William Bentley? Always lots of questions. All the best with your research -I will keep a note of your names. Donnelle ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda <Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 2:48 AM Subject: [ENG-TOD] Re: INGHAM > Donnelle, > I have an Ingham in my tree who is causing me problems. She is my 3 x gt. > grandmother, Nancy Ingham. She was the first wife of Samuel Law of Walsden > and was born about 1780 in Walsden. The only Nancy of this time that I can > find is one who was baptised at Todmorden, mother Sally Ingham of Walsden, > supposed father James Ashworth. I don't suppose you have a connection? > Linda > > Donnelle wrote: > > I have not posted my family names yet, and have just been watching the list > with interest. My family in this area are for the following names; INGHAM, > ROBERTSHAW, NAYLOR and WILKINSON > > > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Donnelle, Thanks for replying. Clutching at straws again!! Linda

Hello Sally, Thanks anyway. It was just a thought. Having looked at the deaths that are reported they seem to be sudden or accidental deaths - mainly drownings in the canal!! Linda

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Hi Linda, Sorry, there's no mention of William Law's death. I've looked in the 1892 and 1893 almanacks too. Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-TOD] Todmorden books > Dear Sally, > I wonder if you could have a look in your 1891 almanac and see if the death > of William Law is mentioned (11 May 1891)? > I would be delirious if it were! > Linda > > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Dear Sally, I wonder if you could have a look in your 1891 almanac and see if the death of William Law is mentioned (11 May 1891)? I would be delirious if it were! Linda

Kent, How far back have you gone with your Woodhead connection? I have a Hannah Woodhead, daughter of William, who was born in 1815 in Walsden. Apart from that snippet I know nothing of these Woodheads, and Hannah is my 2 x gt. grandmother. Linda

The site mentioned by Jack contains information on some Todmorden names. I wrote to Claire Travis last year but other than what is on the tables she has produced she has no further details. The Travis book she has is mainly about the Crompton area I think and deals with a lot of Travis people. She studies the name Travis as a one name study. Linda

Hi All, Someone was asking after Fielden and I came across this on the A2A site http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/search/index.asp John in Doncaster UK Historical Manuscripts Commission UK National Register of Archives Fielden family of Todmorden Todmorden, Yorkshire 1762-1933 : family deeds and papers West Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale Reference : DW425-485 NRA 25714 Wilson & Thomas 1 record noted. Where reference is made to an NRA number, a catalogue is filed in the National Register of Archives and may be consulted in our public search room.