Dear List, Came across the following entry while searching the 1891 Census CD for Blackley, Manchester: 7 Bankfield Street, Blackley RG 12/3270 Fol.57 Joseph C. BARKER Head M. 33 Train Car Driver - bo. Yorkshire, Todmorden Annie ditto Wife M. 31 Lancs. Salford I doubt whether it is one my BARKERs. Regards, Ernest (Southport, Lancs.)

Hi All, Please find below a list of the Genuki Yorkshire web-site updates for the past 6 weeks or so. Unfortunately due to business pressures, I haven't been able to do as much on the site as I would like to have done, and there are quite a lot of outstanding transcriptions to be added. I have also a big heap of genealogy related emails to reply to, so if you've written and not received a reply, it will happen eventually! I have noticed quite a lot of "Where is" questions on various of the lists lately and would remind everyone of the "Where is it in Yorkshire" pages on the Genuki Yorkshire site. Whilst I don't pretend to have every hamlet and single house included, at least 95% of the hamlets are included, though perhaps not with all the alternate spellings. If you find anywhere not in the list and have a Grid Reference or OS Landranger reference for it, then please let me have it and it will be added (so long as I can find it on my OS LR map <g>). Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Rare Books on CD: http://www.blunham.demon.co.uk/CDroms/ Baine's & Bulmers directories, History of Craven, Heywood/Northowram, National gazetteer of Great Britain & Ireland, Whelan's York & NRY Hunter's Hallamshire (Sheffield) ......................................... Places in brackets are the relevant (ancient) parishes. Unless otherwise specified, the churches are C of E. If you have an interest in church architecture you should visit: http://www.churchcrawler.co.uk -------------------------------- Andrew Sefton: NRY: Transcipt of the BMDs from the Malton Messenger for 1861 --------------------------------- Carol Bartlett NRY: Pickering: Index of names in the Minute Books of the Pickering Board of Guardians. Pickering Union Workhouse - Admission & Discharge Books --------------------------------- Susan Reddy: WRY: Photos in the Sheffield area: Keppel's Column - 2 views (Rotherham) Jewish Burial Ground nr Ecclesfield (Ecclesfield) St. Mary's Church, Ecclesfield Wentworth Woodhouse - 2 views (Wath upon Dearne) Hoyland Common (Wath upon Dearne) Conisbrough War memorial Sprotborough St. Mary's Church Sheffield Unitarian, Norfolk St. Sheffield, St Marie, RC --------------------------------- Angela Petyt (Genuki Wakefield area maintainer) WRY, Wakefield: New links added: Crofton (under 'History') Featherstone (under 'History') Ferry Fryston (under 'History') Wakefield (under 'Church History' and 'Monumental Inscriptions') -------------------------------- Steve Garton Transcriptions of Pigot's 1834 directory and gazetteer WRY: Sheffield - completed. NRY: Yarm Ainsty: York ------------------------------------- Colin Hinson: ERY: Bolton Methodist (Bishop Wilton) Church Photographs: NRY: Lockton Methodist Levisham St. Mary - 2 views Levisham St. John - additional view Sinnington - additional view Sinnington Methodist Boltby -additional (Felixkirk) Thirlby Methodist (Felixkirk) Kirby Knowle - 2 additional Cowesby Kepwick (Leake, Cowesby, Over Silton) Over Silton - additional Nether Silton -additional (Leake) Thirsk - additional Thirsk Methodist Thirsk Roman Catholic Carlton Minniott Evangelical (Thirsk) Sand Hutton (Thirsk) Sand Hutton Methodist (Thirsk) Sowerby (Thirsk) Kirby Wiske - 2 views Maunby (Kirby Wiske) Maunby Methodist (Kirby Wiske) Newby Wiske ex Methodist (Kirby Wiske) North Otterington 2 views South Otterington 2 views Thornton le Moor (North Otterington) Ainderby Steeple - additional Replacement Church Photos: NRY: Ellerburn Lockton (Middleton) Sinnington Helmsley Felixkirk Leake South Kilvington

Dear Ernest, You are right about Dobroyd Cottages - I believe they are the 'unspecified' cottages on page 137. If you look at page 51 of the same book, you will see the start of Dobroyd Rd to the side of Dawson Weir. And on page 102, there is a picture of Dobroyd House. Although the castle is at the top of the hill, Dobroyd the area was indeed at the bottom of the valley. Dobroyd Road still exists. It run's between Salford and Shade, but on the other side of the railway line and canal, and so is not at all obvious from the main Rochdale Road. Dobroyd Road leads from Rochdale road, across a bridge, and joins Stones Road and Pexwood Road. Pexwood Rd joins Bacup Rd, whereas Stones Road travels up the hill towards the castle. Dawson Weir, the house on Rochdale Rd, still exists although I'm not sure how many of Dobroyd cottages are still there. It is possible that the Cottages were for the use of the workers of Dobroyd Mill. Have you looked at the 'neighbours' in the 1881 census to see if there are any clues there? It wasn't unusual for workers to walk some miles to their place of work, the normal route was down from the hill top farms to the mills in the valley via the packhorse trails, but the Roberts could have just as likely walked up the hill to work on the castle. Hope this help, Andrea. Andrea, Many thanks for your 2 messages and for taking the trouble to give me some of the picture. This is the first time that my particular twig on the FIELDEN tree that I have found connected in any way to the SUTCLIFFEs. I am left with more questions than answers. I think the 1901 Census may throw some light on this Ruth. It was a common enough name with the FIELDENs. I am still trying to sort out the USA part of the puzzle. Since you know much about the geography of Todmorden - I have Brian Law's book on inter library loan and there is a double page (136/137) plan of Waterside Mill in 1878. It shows Dobroyd Road with some unspecified cottages, Dobroyd Mill, and Dobroyd House. James FIELDEN was living at "No.4 Dobroyd" in 1881. Would this group of cottages be the likely location of No.4. If this is so it is possible that James worked in the Machine Shop in Fielden's Mills. >From the picture on the cover of Brian Law's book the Castle was some distance away so the impression that the Whitehead family gave me of their ancestors (ROBERTS, BARKER, etc) working on the Castle needs to be qualified. Although I note from Ramshaw's book that Timothy, Richard & John ROBERTS of Shropshire held a lease, from St. Mary's in Rev. Cowell's time, for 3 lives of some workshops at a rent of L22 pa. and it may be that these ROBERTS worked as joiners etc.on the Castle and elsewhere for the FIELDENs. Doesn't it get complicated! But any observations on any of these speculations would be appreciated. With best wishes, Ernest

Andrea, Many thanks for your 2 messages and for taking the trouble to give me some of the picture. This is the first time that my particular twig on the FIELDEN tree that I have found connected in any way to the SUTCLIFFEs. I am left with more questions than answers. I think the 1901 Census may throw some light on this Ruth. It was a common enough name with the FIELDENs. I am still trying to sort out the USA part of the puzzle. Since you know much about the geography of Todmorden - I have Brian Law's book on inter library loan and there is a double page (136/137) plan of Waterside Mill in 1878. It shows Dobroyd Road with some unspecified cottages, Dobroyd Mill, and Dobroyd House. James FIELDEN was living at "No.4 Dobroyd" in 1881. Would this group of cottages be the likely location of No.4. If this is so it is possible that James worked in the Machine Shop in Fielden's Mills. From the picture on the cover of Brian Law's book the Castle was some distance away so the impression that the Whitehead family gave me of their ancestors (ROBERTS, BARKER, etc) working on the Castle needs to be qualified. Although I note from Ramshaw's book that Timothy, Richard & John ROBERTS of Shropshire held a lease, from St. Mary's in Rev. Cowell's time, for 3 lives of some workshops at a rent of £22 pa. and it may be that these ROBERTS worked as joiners etc.on the Castle and elsewhere for the FIELDENs. Doesn't it get complicated! But any observations on any of these speculations would be appreciated. With best wishes, Ernest ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrea Calman" <ahc@ivysystems.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:03 PM

I meant to point out that Harley House & Mill (Blind Lane) is not in the Harley Wood area - there's about half a mile between them.

Hi Ernest, Here is some general information about Harley House, Blind Lane and Harley House Mill that I thought you may be interested in. Harley House Mill was owned and run by by the Sutcliffe family (from Greenhurst-Hey, and East-View, Harley Wood). The company was called W & J Sutcliffe. Harley House was mainly used by family members who worked at the Mill. "John Sutcliffe of East-View was born at East-Lee, near Todmorden, 30th March 1825. He was the youngest son of John and Sally Sutcliffe the former of whom died in 1861, and when a boy, was sent to school at Cross-stone where he received a sound education which fitted him, when of sufficient age, for taking part in the business of a cotton spinner and manufacturer at Harley House Mills, in which his father and brother engaged - we believe at the same time - at the old cotton mill, Gauxholme, at Eastwood and at Harley House, Todmorden. For some time before his death he had been the sole surviving partner of the highly respected firm of "W & J Sutcliffe". Harley House is still standing. It is actaully two semi-detached houses, commonly known as "Gentlemen's Residences". When looking around at houses to buy some years ago, I did view one of the Harley Houses. It was really nice, the best feature being the 'music room', so called because of the detailed plaster relief above the picture rail, depicting cherubs and musical instruments. I have listed below some details showing who lived at Harley House in the past: Harley House, Blind Lane 03 Apr 1881 Census: Head of Household: John Frederick Sutcliffe (b. 1842, d. 24 Aug 1881) Dwelling: Harley House Census Place: Stansfield, York, England Marr Age Sex Birthplace -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- John F. SUTCLIFFE M 38 M Todmorden, York, England Rel: Head Occ: Cotton Manufacturer Maria SUTCLIFFE M 40 F Todmorden, York, England Rel: Wife Sarah E. SUTCLIFFE U 13 F Todmorden, York, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John SUTCLIFFE U 11 M Todmorden, York, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Herbert W. SUTCLIFFE U 9 M Todmorden, York, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Ernest SUTCLIFFE U 7 M Todmorden, York, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Charles SUTCLIFFE U 5 M Todmorden, York, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Hannah OGDEN U 29 F Todmorden, York, England Rel: Serv Occ: General Serv. Dwelling: Harley House (next door) Census Place: Stansfield, York, England Marr Age Sex Birthplace ----------------------------------------------------- Hannah DAWSON W 79 F Todmorden, York, England Rel: Head 24 Aug 1881 Death of John Frederick Sutcliffe (b. 1842, d. 24 Aug 1881) aft. Aug 1881 Residence: Thomas Eastwood Sutcliffe (b. 1840); brother of John Frederick Sutcliffe . John died 4 months after the census was taken. It is unclear as to whether John's family remained in residence when Thomas moved in. aft 20 Aug 1890 Residence: William Albert Sutcliffe (b. 1849, d. before 14 Mar 1928) and Christiana Susan WRIGLEY (b. 1860, d. 17 Jun 1942); "Harley House", Blind Lane, Todmorden, Yorkshire. 05 Apr 1891 Census: William Albert Sutcliffe (b. 1849, d. before 14 Mar 1928); "Harley House", Blind Lane, Todmorden, Yorkshire; 1891 Census shows 'Wilkinson' A Sutcliffe and his wife Christiana (nee Wrigley) (b. 1860, d. 17 Jun 1942) living at Harley House, Blind Lane with two servants - Hannah Sutcliffe and Sarah Cuthbertson. At some time there has also been reference to John Barker, JP (1849-1911) living there.

My ancestors were John Greenwood who married Mary Barker. (A great start) John Greenwood was a joiner in Leeds and I have taken the John Greenwood at Mill Hill in the 1821 Directory to be him. He married Mary Barker (who was born probably at Thornton-by Bradford, but was baptised at Bradford 21.5.1786) at St Peters Leeds on 2.12.1806. I have an idea that her father (John Barker) was also a joiner, or in the trade somehow, and Mary's siblings were baptised at St Peters Leeds. Neither John Greenwood nor Mary Barker seem to have had mothers!! But I have a possible name for John Greenwood's father as Johnathan? Some questions. 1. Is there anyone there who has these people in their lists? 2. Did Mary have any siblings? 3. Did John Greenwood have siblings? (They would probably be in the same trade) Maureen :~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~: A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

Andrea, Sorry, I have been through all my data and can't help you. I think your suspicions may be justified - but as we all know, this is a funny game! Is John H. mentioned in any of the Travis books? I had a quick scan but couldn't see anything. Linda PS. I'd be interested to know what the painful death was aswell, and whether it would be something and nothing today.

Does anyone have any further information on Thomas Leach, Mabel Scholes Fielden, John H Fielden or Henrietta Scholes? I have the following info already, which someone may be able to confirm, add to, or it may help someone else in their search. Mabel (born 1874) was the daughter of John H Fielden and Henrietta Scholes (born 1853). When John died, Henrietta remarried Thomas Leach (unsure of date). I'm not sure if the John H Fielden mentioned is John Haigh Fielden of Inchfield Fold (1845-1877), son of Robert Fielden and Susan Haigh. I have the gravestone details for John Haigh if anyone would like a copy. The reason why I suspect that this is the right John is that his sister would have been Mary Wrigley. Her Husband, Thomas Wrigley, owned Thornhill (my house) where Henrietta and Mabel later lived. I have the following 1881 Census details for Henrietta and Mabel, but haven't been able to find a definate match for Thomas Leach: Dwelling: 58 Alex Rd Census Place: North Meols, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341897 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3748 Folio 117 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace ---------------------------------------------------------------- Henrietta FIELDEN W 28 F Dewsbury, York, England Rel: Head Occ: Annuitant Mabel Scholes FIELDEN 7 F Tedmorden, Lancashire, England (as spelt in the census) Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Selina MONK U 21 F Pendleton, Lancashire, England Rel: Serv Occ: Gen Serv The 1891 Census shows: Dwelling: Thornhill, Harley Wood, Todmorden Name of Occupier Relation Age Occupation Place of Birth ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Leach Head 45 Agent (Oil & Insurance) Wigan Henrietta Leach Wife 38 Dewsbury Mary Robinson Servant 24 Domestic servant Stockton, Durham Violet McClallan Servant 21 Domestic servant Carnforth, Lancs I have also found the following reference in the Tod Almanack:- 1896 - "Painful death of Mabel, aged 22 years, only daughter of the late Mr John H. Fielden, of Inchfield-fold, Walsden, and step-daughter of Mr Thomas Leach of Thorn Hill, Harley Wood, Todmorden." I don't know what caused the painful death, I guess I will have to get her death certificate to find that out. Kind regards Andrea.

Hello again Andrea, I am still on the trail of the parents of James FIELDEN who in 1881(aged 39) was living at No.4 Dobroyd with his wife Elizabeth. Thanks to some co-operative effort with Linda and having had access to Brian Law's "Fieldens of Todmorden" and Linda Croft's "John Fielden's Todmorden" I am a little clearer about the immediate ancestry of James. It was in Ramshaw's "Concerning Todmorden Parish" that I discovered that James was living at 2 Sanworth Street since his name and address in 1911 was written in the book which is clearly a family heirloom. The book records that "...the old church is fortunate,too, in her devoted veteran choirmaster Mr. James Fielding, of Sanworth Street who has played so honorable a part in the musical life of Todmorden....well known as a successful teacher of sight reading by means of the Lancashire sol-fa system". (I am no musician but what is the Lancashire sol-fa system as against any other sol-fa system?). He was appointed choirmaster on 9th June 1895 and he came to st. Mary's from Harley Wood church where he had served as organist and choirmaster in succession to the late Mr. Thomas Law (a possible ancestor of Linda). He was married at the "Church at Cross Stone 18th May 1963 to Elizabeth BARKER, dau. of William (a Carter). James's father was William (a Sadler (sic)). The lowly background of James and his father indicates that although part of the FIELDEN tribe they were, as were Linda's CROSSLEY ancestors, not too well endowed with brass! Their respective addresses were "Crescent" and "Back Brook Street". For what it is worth the witnesses at the marriage were Stephen HIRST, Samuel N. FIELDEN, Sarah ORMEROD, and Mary FIELDEN. As a final footnote inside the book (CTP) was a small envelope posted in 1885 from New York addressed in a "copper plate" hand to Miss Ruth FIELDEN, Harley House Mill,Blind Lane, Todmorden, England. James and Elizabeth had a dau. Ruth. Does this address have any modern meaning? I am still preparing the index of names mentioned in CTP. Sorry for the length of this message. Kind regards, Ernest (Southport, Lancs.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrea Calman" <ahc@ivysystems.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-TOD] William Fielden / Harley Wood > Dear Ernest/Linda, and of course everyone else, > > My 'ear's pricked up when I read something about Harley Wood - this is > where my house is, and therefore where many of the people I have > investigated have lived. Harley Wood is in Lineholme near Lydgate, which is > now just called Lydgate, is situated 1.5 miles along the Burnley Valley > from the centre of town. I can't open my database to check on names just at > the moment, but I will soon and see if I can find anything on William > Fielden. Have you already posted a message about him, or do you have any > other information about him that could indicate a match? Out of interest, > the Ramsbotham family owned a large proportion of land and property at > Harley Wood (among other parts of town including Centre Vale). A lot of the > people living in this area were either farmers or mill workers (or both). > There were many mills up this part of the valley including the rather large > Robinwood Mill (owned by the Rambothams, but later sold to the Fieldens). > > And what's this about story's of bell ropes? Am I missing out?! I would > also love to collect stories about Todmorden if any one would like to send > me some, as I am a bit of an oddball in that I am not actually researching > my own family - just the social and geneological history of the people of > Todmorden in anyway linked to the original owners of my house, their > workplace, their friends & relatives. And it's surprising where it has led > me - the most interesting find was a link to Constance Brocklehurst, who > ended up as mother of the 9th Earl Fitwilliam of Wentworth Woodhouse (the > largest stately home in the country at the time). Constance was the neice > of John Fielden (of Dobroyd Castle); it was John who bought up Constance > and her younger brother when they were orphaned. > > Regards > Andrea > > > ---------- > From: Linda[SMTP:Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com] > Sent: 02 June 2002 14:48 > To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-TOD] William Fielden / Harley Wood > > Ernest, > Thankyou for the attachment. It makes very interesting reading. I love the > story of the bell rope with a mind of its own. I am gaining quite a > collection of stories about events in Todmorden. > I have looked through my data for your William Fielden. Most of my data is > of Walsden, a little from the Stansfield side of Todmorden, but not much. > Harley Wood is Stansfield which is in Yorkshire in Halifax Parish. I'm > pleased to say that most of my crew were from the Rochdale and Lancashire > side!! (Only joking - to those of you Yorkshire folk). The only William I > found was aged 20 to 24 in 1841, living with wife Martha (same age) and > daughter Ruth aged 6 months. The family was living with my family at > Ramsden > Wood in Walsden. William was a grocer. The shop was owned by Betty Law (nee > Crossley). Could this be the family? I know you have a Ruth somewhere. If > you think they may still have been in Stansfield in 1841 you need someone > with the Yorkshire 1841 CD to help you. > Thanks again, > Linda > > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > Interested in Modern Newspaper Indexes? > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Newspapers.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Sally, Glad you had a good day. The day I went is one I shall never forget even though there were only one or two graves of interest. The whole property and the scenery fascinated me, especially Cheryl and her entourage of cats! Just further along the lane are two farms, Mellings and Hazelgreave. Both of these were occupied by my ancestors in the 1700's. I could have bought the house off her there and then! (Lottery win providing!!) Although I'm not so sure about a dark and thundery night with the grave yard on the doorstep! Best wishes, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Hinchliffe" <sally.hinchliffe@btinternet.com> Linda, You asked me to let you know when I visited Clough Foot graveyard, - I went today. I know you and Rosemary had said how helpful Cheryl was to you, but even so I was not prepared all the help she gave me or for the wealth of information she has gathered together. She knows where the graves are situated, has photos of some of them and I was totally stunned, but absolutely delighted, to see that she has one of the registers. She gave up a couple of hours of her time and made me feel really welcome today. I've had a really good, succesful day for which a lot of thanks must go to Cheryl. Regards Sally --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Have you used Tree Tops? The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Ernest/Linda, and of course everyone else, My 'ear's pricked up when I read something about Harley Wood - this is where my house is, and therefore where many of the people I have investigated have lived. Harley Wood is in Lineholme near Lydgate, which is now just called Lydgate, is situated 1.5 miles along the Burnley Valley from the centre of town. I can't open my database to check on names just at the moment, but I will soon and see if I can find anything on William Fielden. Have you already posted a message about him, or do you have any other information about him that could indicate a match? Out of interest, the Ramsbotham family owned a large proportion of land and property at Harley Wood (among other parts of town including Centre Vale). A lot of the people living in this area were either farmers or mill workers (or both). There were many mills up this part of the valley including the rather large Robinwood Mill (owned by the Rambothams, but later sold to the Fieldens). And what's this about story's of bell ropes? Am I missing out?! I would also love to collect stories about Todmorden if any one would like to send me some, as I am a bit of an oddball in that I am not actually researching my own family - just the social and geneological history of the people of Todmorden in anyway linked to the original owners of my house, their workplace, their friends & relatives. And it's surprising where it has led me - the most interesting find was a link to Constance Brocklehurst, who ended up as mother of the 9th Earl Fitwilliam of Wentworth Woodhouse (the largest stately home in the country at the time). Constance was the neice of John Fielden (of Dobroyd Castle); it was John who bought up Constance and her younger brother when they were orphaned. Regards Andrea ---------- From: Linda[SMTP:Linda.Briggs1@btinternet.com] Sent: 02 June 2002 14:48 To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-TOD] William Fielden / Harley Wood Ernest, Thankyou for the attachment. It makes very interesting reading. I love the story of the bell rope with a mind of its own. I am gaining quite a collection of stories about events in Todmorden. I have looked through my data for your William Fielden. Most of my data is of Walsden, a little from the Stansfield side of Todmorden, but not much. Harley Wood is Stansfield which is in Yorkshire in Halifax Parish. I'm pleased to say that most of my crew were from the Rochdale and Lancashire side!! (Only joking - to those of you Yorkshire folk). The only William I found was aged 20 to 24 in 1841, living with wife Martha (same age) and daughter Ruth aged 6 months. The family was living with my family at Ramsden Wood in Walsden. William was a grocer. The shop was owned by Betty Law (nee Crossley). Could this be the family? I know you have a Ruth somewhere. If you think they may still have been in Stansfield in 1841 you need someone with the Yorkshire 1841 CD to help you. Thanks again, Linda ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Interested in Modern Newspaper Indexes? http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Newspapers.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Linda, You asked me to let you know when I visited Clough Foot graveyard, - I went today. I know you and Rosemary had said how helpful Cheryl was to you, but even so I was not prepared all the help she gave me or for the wealth of information she has gathered together. She knows where the graves are situated, has photos of some of them and I was totally stunned, but absolutely delighted, to see that she has one of the registers. She gave up a couple of hours of her time and made me feel really welcome today. I've had a really good, succesful day for which a lot of thanks must go to Cheryl. Regards Sally --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

Hello, This family were in Saddleworth in 1901 and I wondered if they could belong to anybody. RG13/4089 - page 5 - folio 33 - sch 31 - Denshaw. James OGDEN - head - mar - 56 - farmer - born Yorks, Stansfield. Susan OGDEN - wife - mar - 55 - born Yorks. Heptonstall. Mary Ann WOOD - daughter - widow - 34 - born Yorks, Heptonstall. Ellen Grace OGDEN - daughter - unm - 28 - woollen weaver - born Yorks, Heptonstall. John Thomas OGDEN - son - unm - 22 - not in work - born Yorks. Heptonstall. Clara OGDEN - daughter - 14 - woollen weaver - born Yorks. Saddleworth. Travis Whitehead WOOD - grandson - 14 - calico bleacher's labourer - born Yorks. Saddleworth. Walton WOOD - grandson - 12 - born Yorks. Saddleworth. Regards, Alison. Mossley, Lancashire. looking for:- BREWER - Walsden and Todmorden. STANSFIELD - Stansfield and Todmorden.

Ernest, Thankyou for the attachment. It makes very interesting reading. I love the story of the bell rope with a mind of its own. I am gaining quite a collection of stories about events in Todmorden. I have looked through my data for your William Fielden. Most of my data is of Walsden, a little from the Stansfield side of Todmorden, but not much. Harley Wood is Stansfield which is in Yorkshire in Halifax Parish. I'm pleased to say that most of my crew were from the Rochdale and Lancashire side!! (Only joking - to those of you Yorkshire folk). The only William I found was aged 20 to 24 in 1841, living with wife Martha (same age) and daughter Ruth aged 6 months. The family was living with my family at Ramsden Wood in Walsden. William was a grocer. The shop was owned by Betty Law (nee Crossley). Could this be the family? I know you have a Ruth somewhere. If you think they may still have been in Stansfield in 1841 you need someone with the Yorkshire 1841 CD to help you. Thanks again, Linda

Rob, I have several sheets of extracts from all the census returns, mainly of Walsden. I found the following on the 1861 census. The first family looks like it may be yours. The second family are obviously related - they lived next door. I don't know what you know about the area. If you know nothing or very little, please say, and we will all endeavour to help! The fact that they were baptised/married in Tod. or at Heptonstall means very little. They could have lived in Todmorden, Stansfield, Langfield, Walsden, or up sough and round back o' jossies. Peel Cottages were, I think, at Inchfield Fold. This is in Walsden, not Todmorden. My own family is from Inchfield Fold. Let me know if you think this is your Fielden family. I will have a look for your Greenwoods tonight. Linda ADDRESS NAME POSITION STATUS AGE OCCUPATION COMMENTS Peel Cottage Mary Fielden Head Widow 36 Dress maker Todmorden Hannah Fielden Daughter 12 Throstle tenter Inchfield Fold Alice Fielden Daughter 10 Throstle doffer Walsden Peel Cottage William Fielden Head Married 39 Powerloom overlooker Todmorden Susannah Fielden Wife Married 35 Todmorden Sarah Ann Daughter Unmarried 16 Powerloom weaver Todmorden Jane Fielden Daughter Unmarried 13 Throstle tenter Todmorden Betty Fielden Daughter 10 Throstle tenter Todmorden Emma Fielden Daughter 6 Scholar Bacup Hannah Fielden Daughter 3 Scholar Walsden Betty Fielden Lodger Unmarried 53 Powerloom weaver Todmorden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Green" <Robgreen01@tesco.net> To: <ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: [ENG-TOD] New subscriber - GREENWOOD and FIELDEN New subscriber, posting interests in the Fieldens and Greenwoods. My gggrandparents were John Greenwood (christened Heptonstall 1849) and Hannah Fielden (christened Todmorden 1848), married in Todmorden 10/10/1872. John's parents were James and Nancy. Hannah's parents were William and Mary. I can't go any further back - can anybody help? Rob Swindon ==== ENG-TODMORDEN Mailing List ==== Anglers Rest Indexes http://freespace.virgin.net/ar.indexes ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

>From: ENG-TODMORDEN-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-TODMORDEN-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: ENG-TODMORDEN-D Digest V02 #53 >Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:00:38 -0600 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> ><< message8.txt >> ><< message10.txt >> ><< message12.txt >> to linda, thankyou very much for the infomation that you posted, unfortunally non of it is a help, as of yet, but i have no daught thqt it will in the future as they are most likley related to my family some where down the line. esther _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

New subscriber, posting interests in the Fieldens and Greenwoods. My gggrandparents were John Greenwood (christened Heptonstall 1849) and Hannah Fielden (christened Todmorden 1848), married in Todmorden 10/10/1872. John's parents were James and Nancy. Hannah's parents were William and Mary. I can't go any further back - can anybody help? Rob Swindon

Hi Esther, There are very few FIRTHS in Todmorden in the early days. I have extracted the following from the Church registers. I know it is before the time you are looking at, but if you keep them they may come in useful later. There are no TONKISS names. MARRIAGES AT ST. MARY'S, TODMORDEN 1781 - 1837 Henry FIRTH of Halifax Parish married Betty BARKER 8/6/1802. Neither able to sign name. Witnesses were John Ratcliff and John Stansfield. Mary FIRTH and John CROSSLEY married 16/11/1801. Neither able to sign name. Witnesses James Dawson and John Atkinson. Sarah FIRTH and Charles EASTWOOD married 17/3/1803. Sarah unable to sign name. Witnesses were Robert Greenwood and William Barker. Hannah FIRTH and James HARDMAN married 20/8/1815. BAPTISMS AT ST. MARY'S, TODMORDEN. 1781 - 1812 Abraham, son of Henry and Betty FIRTH of Swineshead Clough. Baptised 29/5/1803 Betty and Mary, daughters of Henry and Betty FIRTH of Swineshead Clough. Baptised 31/3/1805 Sally, daughter of Henry and Betty FIRTH of Swineshead Clough. Baptised 8/11/1807 Maria, daughter of Henry and Betty FIRTH of Swineshead Clough. Baptised 12/4/1811 Mary, bastard daughter of Ann FIRTH of Cliviger, supposed father Robert Horth of Bury. Baptised 19/1/1789 BURIALS AT ST. MARY'S TODMORDEN 1781 - 1812 John, son of Henry and Betty FIRTH of Swineshead Clough. Buried 25/2/1810 Betty, daughter of Henry and Betty FIRTH of Swineshead Clough. Buried 17/9/1812 Sally, wife of John FIRTH of Shade. Buried 2/12/1812 I will see what else I can find, Linda

Hello Esther, I am looking at people with the name CROSSLEY. Unfortunately there are a lot of them in Todmorden, especially called Annie!! I will have a look at what I have to see if I can help and will get back to you, Happy Hunting, Linda