Hi Shirley, I have found the following which may be of interest to you: http://website.lineone.net/~rtfhs/gypsy.html - if you follow the link to the Journal page then Lowther was mentioned in Vol 3 and Loder in vol 4. Vol 5 index (which I have) lists 2 members with interests in Louder and one in Benson. I only have the index with member numbers so no further details. It might be worth joining even if only for a year. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/uk-romani/2008-01/1199892198 - Bensons in Surrey http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Celtic_Traveller - this seems to give a list of names and where they have been mentioned - Benson and Lowder are both on it http://romanyconnections.wetpaint.com/page/Census+Information%3ALouder%3A http://romanyconnections.wetpaint.com/page/cathayb+surnames+connected+to+me cathayb seems to do quite a lot of geneaology - I think she is a member of the R&TFHS You can also search on this site http://romanyconnections.wetpaint.com/search/everything/benson?contains=benson Hopefully some of this might prove useful - or at least interesting! have fun, Anne ---------------------------------------- > From: samuelphillips@myactv.net > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:07:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SRY] FW: 1851 census > > Dear Anne, Mainly I am researching BENSON starting with my Gt.Grandmother > Sarab Benson christened in Godalming Parish 16 July, 1846. She was the > illegitimate daughter of Mary Benson born in Horsham and christened in > Shermanbury, Sussex on 28 March, 1824. Mary went on to marry a John Lindsey > and have other children. Mary's parents were Thomas and Ann Benson. > Thomas was born around 1790 in Ewell, Surrey? > I have him on the 1841 census class H0107 piece 718 book 16, Parish > Teddington, enumeration district 10, Folio 26, page 3. On the 1951 census > class H0107 piece 1598 Folio 172 page 32, in Dorking. On the 1961 census > Class RG9 piece 440 Folio 18, page 19. > The reason I think they were travellers is because they moved around so > much, on two of the census they are listed as living in tents, and their > occupations are listed as travelling brush makers. > Jethro and Jemima Louder are also listed on the 51 census right below the > Bensons. Jemima was a child of Thomas Benson and appeared on Sarah Bensons > wedding certificate as a witness (very clearly named Jemima Louder not > Souder) also Abraham her brother. > Thank you for your interest, any comments are welcome. Shirley in Maryland, > born in London, used to live in Horley, Surrey. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Capewell" <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:12 PM > Subject: [SRY] FW: 1851 census > > > > > > Hi Shirley, > > > > I have only just picked up on this thread because you have mentioned > > travellers. What is your evidence that they were travellers? I have > > traveller/gypsy ancestors who were often in the Dorking area (seemed to be > > one of the places they visited regularly). Most of mine did get married in > > church - they knew which ones had sympathetic vicars and also used those > > churches for baptisms. They regularly travelled across Sussex to Kent - > > probably for hop picking and other harvests. > > > > Have you searched the internet on 'Louder family history'? You have > > probably seen this already http://genforum.genealogy.com/lowder/. There > > doesn't seem to be much on Sowder - I have done various transcriptions in > > the past and an old fashioned L is often mistaken for an S. > > > > If you can give me a few more details I'll have a look in my R&TFHS stuff > > and see if there is anything relevant. > > > > hth, Anne > > > > > >> From: samuelphillips@myactv.net > >> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:02:50 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [SRY] 1851 census > >> > >> > >> Hi Nivard, thank you again for your help. Its an interesting idea about > >> Jemima but in fact I think Jemima and Abraham were brother and sister. On > >> the 1841 census she is transcribed as Jennie but I am sure her name is > >> Jemima. I will try to see if Amelia Louder is Jethro Louder's sister. > >> That would make sense as Jethro Louder and Jemima were living in the same > >> encampment as the Bensons. The census lists Jemima as Jethro's "wife" but > >> I > >> cannot find a marriage. Would it be common for travellers to just be > >> common > >> law wives. It seems they baptised their children so would they be married > >> in church also? Lots more checking for me to do!!! 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