Hello and thank you to Hilary and Richard First, apologies for asking for information that might put someone in breach of contract. It was thoughtless of me. Thank you, Richard, for all the bits of information and the suggestions .To Hilary, in aiming for brevity, I seem to have failed to make my object clear. Sorry. What I have is this:- birth of ALFRED HARRIS (from a page of a diary dated 1882) March 30, 1844 baptism (feom the original parish register) April 28, 1844 Parents -ALFRED and LOUISA HARRIS No siblings in that parish register. marriage of Alfred to Charlotte PAVEY, Paddington, Feb. 1865 (Alfred snr. still alive, apparently) I want information on ALFRED and LOUISA (and any siblings) in order to trace the lines back. ALFRED jnr.'s birth is not in BMDs. One marriage in BMDs of an Alfred and Louisa in London in 1838 is not going to be of any help unless I can make a connection. I searched the 1851 census on the Library Ancestry website. There was no match for Alfred born Ewell, and the only Louisa I found married to an Alfred was born in 1828, which seemed too late. An Alfred born 1842 was born in St. Pancras, had a father Alfred but a mother Elizabeth. This is when I began to wonder if Louisa had died. The whole thing has got thoroughly confusing. But I will follow up Richard's suggestions. Yes, HARRIS can have Jewish undertones but my lot seem very Chapel orientated. Again, many thanks, Daphne

Hi daphne thism might help you 1871 census alfred 38 lighterman all born southwark london louisa 33 alfred 13 charles 9 ann 7 william 5 elise 2 joeseph 6months ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daphne Harvey" <daphneh711@talktalk.net> To: "surrey lists family-hist-soc" <ENG-SURREY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: [SRY] ALFRED HARRIS 1851 > > Hello and thank you to Hilary and Richard > > First, apologies for asking for information that might put someone in > breach of contract. It was thoughtless of me. > Thank you, Richard, for all the bits of information and the suggestions > .To Hilary, in aiming for brevity, I seem to have failed to make my object > clear. Sorry. > > What I have is this:- > birth of ALFRED HARRIS (from a page of a diary dated 1882) March 30, > 1844 > baptism (feom the original parish register) April 28, 1844 > Parents -ALFRED and LOUISA HARRIS > No siblings in that parish register. > marriage of Alfred to Charlotte PAVEY, Paddington, Feb. 1865 (Alfred > snr. still alive, apparently) > > I want information on ALFRED and LOUISA (and any siblings) in order to > trace the lines back. > > ALFRED jnr.'s birth is not in BMDs. One marriage in BMDs of an Alfred and > Louisa in London in 1838 is not going to be of any help unless I can make > a connection. > I searched the 1851 census on the Library Ancestry website. There was no > match for Alfred born Ewell, and the only Louisa I found married to an > Alfred was born in 1828, which seemed too late. > An Alfred born 1842 was born in St. Pancras, had a father Alfred but a > mother Elizabeth. This is when I began to wonder if Louisa had died. > > The whole thing has got thoroughly confusing. But I will follow up > Richard's suggestions. Yes, HARRIS can have Jewish undertones but my lot > seem very Chapel orientated. > Again, many thanks, Daphne > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.82/2525 - Release Date: 11/25/09 07:31:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 522 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

This would appear to be a baptism from the Southwark family you mentioned Ann Martha Harris Baptism 30 Oct 1853 Alfred Harris, Louisa Harris Saint Saviour Southwark She's on the 1861 census 30 Emerson Street Southwark Alfred Harris 38 Lighterman b Shoreditch Louisa Harris 33 b Shoreditch Alfred Harris 13 b Middlesex City Charles Harris 9 b Southwark Ann Harris 7 b Southwark William Harris 5 b Southwark Elieze Harris 2 b Southwark (could be Eliza) Joseph Harris 6 Mo b Southwark Class: RG9; Piece: 315; Folio: 80; Page: 48 The Alfred is too young to be yours - but how sure are you that the entry in the diary is correct ? My great aunt's death was entered in the family bible by her sister, who actually lived with her and reported the death - but the date was out by three years. Bear in mind that the fact Alfred was baptised in Ewell does not necessarily mean he was born there. Have you sighted the actual register entry (not just the extracted entry on the IGI), which usually gives an address ? It will also give Alfred snr's occupation which might help to find him in the census. Anne South Australia Daphne Harvey wrote: > Hello and thank you to Hilary and Richard > > First, apologies for asking for information that might put someone in breach of contract. It was thoughtless of me. > Thank you, Richard, for all the bits of information and the suggestions > .To Hilary, in aiming for brevity, I seem to have failed to make my object clear. Sorry. > > What I have is this:- > birth of ALFRED HARRIS (from a page of a diary dated 1882) March 30, 1844 > baptism (feom the original parish register) April 28, 1844 Parents -ALFRED and LOUISA HARRIS > No siblings in that parish register. > marriage of Alfred to Charlotte PAVEY, Paddington, Feb. 1865 (Alfred snr. still alive, apparently) > > I want information on ALFRED and LOUISA (and any siblings) in order to trace the lines back. > > ALFRED jnr.'s birth is not in BMDs. One marriage in BMDs of an Alfred and Louisa in London in 1838 is not going to be of any help unless I can make a connection. > I searched the 1851 census on the Library Ancestry website. There was no match for Alfred born Ewell, and the only Louisa I found married to an Alfred was born in 1828, which seemed too late. > An Alfred born 1842 was born in St. Pancras, had a father Alfred but a mother Elizabeth. This is when I began to wonder if Louisa had died. > > The whole thing has got thoroughly confusing. But I will follow up Richard's suggestions. Yes, HARRIS can have Jewish undertones but my lot seem very Chapel orientated. > Again, many thanks, Daphne

There's another HARRIS baptised in Ewell Christening: 24 NOV 1844 Ewell, Surrey, England Parents: Father: JAMES HARRIS Family Mother: CAROLINE You might be able to establish a connection between James Harris & Alfred Harris snr. The Ewell PRs are at the Epsom and Ewell Local and Family History Centre St. Mary, Ewell * Baptisms from about 1597 to 1915 http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/sccwebsite/sccwspages.nsf/LookupWebPagesByTITLE_RTF/Epsom+and+Ewell+Local+and+Family+History+Centre?opendocument Since you have the date of baptism, you might be able to ask them for a look up to get Albert snr's occupation and the address where they lived at the time of baptism. You might even get a birthdate which will prove once & for all whether this is indeed your Alfred - he was not necessarily an infant when he was baptised. https://online.surreycc.gov.uk/esuite/esuite.nsf/openOnlineForm?open&fcunid=223B26AB71CB423E80256FF80044E66F&aztitle=Library:+Ask+Us I think until you establish once and for all that the Ewell Alfred is indeed your Alfred, anything else is just surmise. Anne > > Daphne Harvey wrote: >> Hello and thank you to Hilary and Richard >> >> First, apologies for asking for information that might put someone in >> breach of contract. It was thoughtless of me. >> Thank you, Richard, for all the bits of information and the suggestions >> .To Hilary, in aiming for brevity, I seem to have failed to make my >> object clear. Sorry. >> >> What I have is this:- >> birth of ALFRED HARRIS (from a page of a diary dated 1882) March 30, 1844 >> baptism (feom the original parish register) April 28, 1844 Parents >> -ALFRED and LOUISA HARRIS >> No siblings in that parish register. >> marriage of Alfred to Charlotte PAVEY, Paddington, Feb. 1865 (Alfred >> snr. still alive, apparently) >> >> I want information on ALFRED and LOUISA (and any siblings) in order to >> trace the lines back. >> >> ALFRED jnr.'s birth is not in BMDs. One marriage in BMDs of an Alfred >> and Louisa in London in 1838 is not going to be of any help unless I >> can make a connection. >> I searched the 1851 census on the Library Ancestry website. There was >> no match for Alfred born Ewell, and the only Louisa I found married to >> an Alfred was born in 1828, which seemed too late. >> An Alfred born 1842 was born in St. Pancras, had a father Alfred but a >> mother Elizabeth. This is when I began to wonder if Louisa had died. >> >> The whole thing has got thoroughly confusing. But I will follow up >> Richard's suggestions. Yes, HARRIS can have Jewish undertones but my >> lot seem very Chapel orientated. >> Again, many thanks, Daphne > >