It is and was perfectly possibly to register the birth of a child much later on. One had to pay a fine - or lie! A not infrequent occurrence, so the birth certificate may be accurate - or it may not! In which case there could appear to be a baptism before a birth. Such anomolies do occur though not common. My eldest was registered in the same quarter as my youngest - they were born 22 months apart in different places. We had to travel some miles from one to the other. (Such events had to be registered in the Registration District in which they occurred.) I don't remember a fine, though there should have been, we were not well off so I should have known about it! And no neither was baptised. JK On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com>wrote: > Ummm - the children could not have been baptised before they were born, > they actually had to be at the church > or at home if it was a private baptism for some reason. > > The birth would have been registered in the *quarter* in which they were > born; if Joseph William was > registered in Sept 1901, that quarter covered July August and September > births. In this case, the parents > obviously registered him too late to get into the June quarter's register. > > The GRO index references just indicate the quarter and you need to order > using the GRO reference, whatever the > census or baptism entry says. The birth certificate will have the actual > date of birth on it; sometimes the > baptism entry does, sometimes it doesn't - it all depends on the vicar. > > To get Joeph William's certificate you must use > > Births Sep 1901 > Holland Joseph William Lambeth 1d 348 > > Anne > South Australia > > > > patrick holland wrote: > > Hi Anne, > > > > Thanks for the Baptism information. The family of Joseph Holland and > > Bridget Holland ( nee Sharkey) is the correct one but, except for, > > Annie Elizabeth Holland, who was born in Ireland in Dec 1985, all the > > other baptismal dates are for dates which are just before the dates when > > the children were actually born. For Example, Joseph William was born > > Sept. 1901, Eliza was born June 1897. Kathleen, Grace was born 1900, > > Henry Michael was born March 1903. > > > > I need to sort out the correct order of the Cristian names because I > > will need to know that before. I order any BDM certificated for them. > > > > Thanks Anne. > > > > Patrick > > Perth, Western Australia. > > > > Anne Chambers wrote: > >> Possibly the sons were known by their second names and that is why the > order was reversed on the census - if > >> otherwise they match exactly, I wouldn't worry too much. > >> > >> Have you checked to see if there are any baptisms on Ancestry ? There > is this one which I presume is the > >> correct family > >> Joseph William Holland Baptism 16 Jun 1901 Joseph > Holland, Bridget Holland Saint Mary At Lambeth Lambeth > >> > >> It would, no doubt, have been confusing to have two Josephs (father& > son) in the same family > >> > >> These are probably theirs as well > >> Eliza Holland Baptism 14 Apr 1897 Joseph > Holland,Bridget Holland Saint Mary At Lambeth Lambeth > >> > >> Annie Elizabeth Holland Baptism 11 Oct 1899 Joseph > Holland,Bridget Holland Saint Mary At Lambeth Lambeth > >> > >> Kathleen Grace Holland Baptism 11 Oct 1899 Joseph > Holland, > >> Bridget Holland Saint Mary At Lambeth Lambeth > >> > >> Henry Michael Holland Baptism 18 Feb 1903 Joseph > Holland, > >> Bridget Holland Saint Mary The Less Lambeth > >> > >> Who knows why our ancestors did what they did ! > >> > >> Anne > >> South Australia > >> > >> patrick holland wrote: > >> > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi JK, Thanks for your email and interesting comments about your own experiences when you registered the birth of your 2 sons who were born 22 months apart and in different places. . It sounds as if you were lucky to find a sensible civil servant who waived the fine. Thanks. Patrick. J K gen wrote: > It is and was perfectly possibly to register the birth of a child much later > on. One had to pay a fine - or lie! A not infrequent occurrence, so the > birth certificate may be accurate - or it may not! In which case there could > appear to be a baptism before a birth. Such anomolies do occur though not > common. > > My eldest was registered in the same quarter as my youngest - they were born > 22 months apart in different places. We had to travel some miles from one to > the other. (Such events had to be registered in the Registration District in > which they occurred.) I don't remember a fine, though there should have > been, we were not well off so I should have known about it! And no neither > was baptised. > > JK > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Anne Chambers <anne.chambers@bigpond.com>wrote: > > >> Ummm - the children could not have been baptised before they were born, >> they actually had to be at the church >> or at home if it was a private baptism for some reason. >> >> The birth would have been registered in the *quarter* in which they were >> born; if Joseph William was >> registered in Sept 1901, that quarter covered July August and September >> births. In this case, the parents >> obviously registered him too late to get into the June quarter's register. >> >> The GRO index references just indicate the quarter and you need to order >> using the GRO reference, whatever the >> census or baptism entry says. The birth certificate will have the actual >> date of birth on it; sometimes the >> baptism entry does, sometimes it doesn't - it all depends on the vicar. >> >> To get Joeph William's certificate you must use >> >> Births Sep 1901 >> Holland Joseph William Lambeth 1d 348 >> >> Anne >> South Australia >> >> >> >> patrick holland wrote: >> >>> Hi Anne, >>> >>> Thanks for the Baptism information. The family of Joseph Holland and >>> Bridget Holland ( nee Sharkey) is the correct one but, except for, >>> Annie Elizabeth Holland, who was born in Ireland in Dec 1985, all the >>> other baptismal dates are for dates which are just before the dates when >>> the children were actually born. For Example, Joseph William was born >>> Sept. 1901, Eliza was born June 1897. Kathleen, Grace was born 1900, >>> Henry Michael was born March 1903. >>> >>> I need to sort out the correct order of the Cristian names because I >>> will need to know that before. I order any BDM certificated for them. >>> >>> Thanks Anne. >>> >>> Patrick >>> Perth, Western Australia. >>> >>> Anne Chambers wrote: >>> >>>> Possibly the sons were known by their second names and that is why the >>>> >> order was reversed on the census - if >> >>>> otherwise they match exactly, I wouldn't worry too much. >>>> >>>> Have you checked to see if there are any baptisms on Ancestry ? There >>>> >> is this one which I presume is the >> >>>> correct family >>>> Joseph William Holland Baptism 16 Jun 1901 Joseph >>>> >> Holland, Bridget Holland Saint Mary At Lambeth Lambeth >> >>>> It would, no doubt, have been confusing to have two Josephs (father& >>>> >> son) in the same family >> >>>> These are probably theirs as well >>>> Eliza Holland Baptism 14 Apr 1897 Joseph >>>> >> Holland,Bridget Holland Saint Mary At Lambeth Lambeth >> >>>> Annie Elizabeth Holland Baptism 11 Oct 1899 Joseph >>>> >> Holland,Bridget Holland Saint Mary At Lambeth Lambeth >> >>>> Kathleen Grace Holland Baptism 11 Oct 1899 Joseph >>>> >> Holland, >> >>>> Bridget Holland Saint Mary At Lambeth Lambeth >>>> >>>> Henry Michael Holland Baptism 18 Feb 1903 Joseph >>>> >> Holland, >> >>>> Bridget Holland Saint Mary The Less Lambeth >>>> >>>> Who knows why our ancestors did what they did ! >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> South Australia >>>> >>>> patrick holland wrote: >>>> >>>> >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >