Hello, Hilary What a quantity of information and suggestions! I have seen the original entry in the Ewell parish register, and I did search back and forward for siblings - abt.5 years, I think. Father's occupation was "gardener" then. I was not savvy enough at that time to check further back for a Louisa. I have family notes written around 1880's verifying Charlotte as Alfred's wife, and and their children (up to that time) and where they were born, and I have their marriage cert. Alfred was a gardener and florest (in the old sense of raising flowers) all his life, and I am fairly certain he worked for a period at Kew Gardens, according to their records. This bears out the family legend, and lots of his detailed drawings of plants. I have researched Charlotte Pavey's family back about three generations, and they appeared in Kingston in 1801 when Lazarus Pavey married a Mary Oldis Boucher (hence, no doubt, the appearance of the middle name Belcher) I have not found a William Pavey in my records as part of my established family, but I could have missed him. You raised an interesting point. Searching for Eleanor could be useful. I have not any info. on her. Well, I have plenty to work on - and with Christmas looming! To Anne Chambers - Yes I had noticed the other Harris family in Ewell Many thanks, Daphne