Hi Glenys, I have done some hunting around and have found a load of bits and bobs that MAY come in handy at some point. ......James, Caroline and Mary smith are such common names 1700 Carolines to start with on 1851 census. Putting in James J doesn't much joy either. A few things here, and because you haven't given much information I can only give generalities. 1. If James Jackson smith married in Australia then you may find some indicators in the indices........these are available at your local LDS church. In SA we have victoria, NSW and SA BMD's on fiche....so this would be your first port of call. 2. The death indices "may" tell you where he was born or at least limit it to the county......they don't always, but worth a look. 3. You don't say whether you have the emmigration records or where he landed when arriving from Liverpool, or the ship he sailed on. If you don't have this, then I suggest you might need to go this way. There are various shipping lists for arrivals in Australia, plus the Migration Museums in each state very often carries records or can point you in the right direction. With any luck there might be more information gathered there. Migration Museums are common in most states I believe and usually found around the docks for obvious reasons. Sydney and Adelaide have one. You main library may have shipping arrivals. 4. One thing I did find in my searching is a Marriage in Godmanchester Huntingdonshire England for a James Jackson smith marrying an Elizabeth Harriet CULPIN. They married in Godmanchester on 16/12/1868, he was 30 and she was 26.....father Edward Jackson Smith Yes I know........yours was out in Oz in 1857.....but naming patterns - Smith may be common but the combination of James Jackson AND Smith may be worthing looking into. Some Hunts records may be online (now in Cambridgeshire) http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html 5. when googling there is also mention of Edward jackson smith in Lancashire which is up around where he left for Australia...... Might be worth following up at some point. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Allerton/allhallows/baptisms_1876-1919.html 6. Just on the off chance that the Edward Jackson smith and Elizabeth Culpin are connected 'somehow" there are only two that show up in Hunts.....1851 census......Edward J smith born circa 1840 pupil from Canaghshire Ireland at St Mary's Hunts and Elizabeth Culpin 1851 census aged 8 born St Ives hunts father Richard, 33 born St Ives, wife Mary A, 32, born Peterborough Northants, Harriett J, 5, born Finsbury Msx, William R, 3, born London, Mary A, dau 11, born St Ives. Can't find much else without more information Cheers pam from Adelaide Australia Good evening Looking for James Jackson Smith born 21 January 1837 with sisters Mary and Caroline. All I know is that he was born in England and left for Australia in 1857 from Liverpool. Any help would be great. Glenys Kempshall

Good evening Pam, Thanks for your effort. James Jackson Smith married in New Zealand but on his marriage certificate it says 15 February 1877 in Roxburgh New Zealand - born in London England so I think it was 21st January 1840 He died in New Zealand 17 June 1912 and the death certificate states he was in his 73rd year so that would be 1840... he had been born in England but had been in Roxburgh for 38 years... the diary states he was in Ida Valley and Italian Gully - all part of Gabriel's Gully Otago I don't have emigration records and I am guessing the year as he states in his diary ( only have 5 years of diary that he had been '18 September 1869: ......Mrs White died. I miss her as she was the only ship mate I know of from the old country..it is now 12 years since I first met her on board the Melbourne barque from Liverpool to Melbourne. She was a young woman then and I was quite a boy..how time flies." I have hunted for "The Melbourne" to no avail.... that means 1857 on the "barque Melbourne Barque: 305 tons" I am assuming that he came to NZ in 1865 when this diary begins or before... not conclusive about when he arrived I am afraid.... could have been any year between 1857 -1865 but he certainly was involved in the Gold Rush in New Zealand I have read the diary really closely and that was when I discovered his two sisters names - very common I know. My mum was a Smith and she said " you just about have to say what you have for dinner when you say your name is Smith!!!" Does any of this help? Glenys Kempshall

Hi, Looking at the Victorian Archives: http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide02 3.jsp There is a James Smith, 17 years of age, arriving in Melbourne, Victoria, in November 1857 on board the ship "Melbourne" Book 13 Page: 68 There were 3 females with the surname of "White" - Elizabeth 22y, Janet 23y + child & Janet 22y + child on the same voyage. At that same site under the Passenger lists heading - there is also a link to search "Index to Outward Passengers to Interstate, UK & Foreign Ports 1852-1896". There are a few James Smiths going to NZ - you need to go through & check against the ages that are given. Unless you have one or both of the parent's names - how are you going to prove that you have the right person when you find a possible family in England? What about an Obit in the local newspaper? Be aware that quite often a middle name was added at the baptism & may not be found on a birth certificate. Also, not all births were registered in England in this time period. Hope this has helped . . . BonnieB Brisbane, Australia Subject: Re: [SRY] James Jackson Smith Good evening Pam, Thanks for your effort. James Jackson Smith married in New Zealand but on his marriage certificate it says 15 February 1877 in Roxburgh New Zealand - born in London England so I think it was 21st January 1840 He died in New Zealand 17 June 1912 and the death certificate states he was in his 73rd year so that would be 1840... he had been born in England but had been in Roxburgh for 38 years... the diary states he was in Ida Valley and Italian Gully - all part of Gabriel's Gully Otago I don't have emigration records and I am guessing the year as he states in his diary ( only have 5 years of diary that he had been '18 September 1869: ......Mrs White died. I miss her as she was the only ship mate I know of from the old country..it is now 12 years since I first met her on board the Melbourne barque from Liverpool to Melbourne. She was a young woman then and I was quite a boy..how time flies." I have hunted for "The Melbourne" to no avail.... that means 1857 on the "barque Melbourne Barque: 305 tons" I am assuming that he came to NZ in 1865 when this diary begins or before... not conclusive about when he arrived I am afraid.... could have been any year between 1857 -1865 but he certainly was involved in the Gold Rush in New Zealand I have read the diary really closely and that was when I discovered his two sisters names - very common I know. My mum was a Smith and she said " you just about have to say what you have for dinner when you say your name is Smith!!!" Does any of this help? Glenys Kempshall

Glen If he married here in Oz, or had some kids I could help you as I volunteer one morning a week at our local LDS. I can only suggest you try and get the emmigration records. If you know from the shipslist where they landed and where he likely got off, google search and email the immigration museum for that state and see where that leads. I am afraid I was born in Kent UK, and apart from a couple of convicts way back, I have not had to deal with this. Happy hunting and yell if you need Aussie records. Pam from Adelaide Australia > Good evening Pam, > Thanks for your effort. > James Jackson Smith married in New Zealand but on his marriage certificate > it says 15 February 1877 in Roxburgh New Zealand - born in London England > so I think it was 21st January 1840 > He died in New Zealand 17 June 1912 and the death certificate states he > was > in his 73rd year so that would be 1840... he had been born in England but > had been in Roxburgh for 38 years... the diary states he was in Ida Valley > and Italian Gully - all part of Gabriel's Gully Otago > I don't have emigration records and I am guessing the year as he states in > his diary ( only have 5 years of diary that he had been '18 September > 1869: > ......Mrs White died. I miss her as she was the only ship mate I know of > from > the old country..it is now 12 years since I first met her on board the > Melbourne barque from Liverpool to Melbourne. She was a young woman then > and I was quite a boy..how time flies." I have hunted for "The Melbourne" > to no avail.... that means 1857 on the "barque Melbourne Barque: 305 tons" > I am assuming that he came to NZ in 1865 when this diary begins or > before... > not conclusive about when he arrived I am afraid.... could have been any > year between 1857 -1865 but he certainly was involved in the Gold Rush in > New Zealand > I have read the diary really closely and that was when I discovered his > two > sisters names - very common I know. My mum was a Smith and she said " you > just about have to say what you have for dinner when you say your name is > Smith!!!" > Does any of this help? > Glenys Kempshall > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message