further to the previous message on Alfred Clark: I've made great advances finding the family through a different search engine to trawl the census. I'd be interested to hear from anybody who has connections or ancillary information. Regards Ross So far: The first address we have for the Clarks as a family is at 72 Castle St, Southwark in 1840 – a couple of blocks from the Globe Theatre, and a couple of blocks from Tower Bridge. The area has undergone several bouts of urban renewal in the intervening period, including the arrival of railway, and Castle St has changed considerably, including being chopped off at one end by the railway and has been renamed Thrale St. William at this stage was a paper dealer. Alfred was born here. It appears the family had moved to Camberwell by the time Sidney was born in 1855, in the St Geroge parish. By 1861 the Clark family had moved to Deptford (5 St James Place) and William had moved from paper to manchester, and the family was middle class by all accounts (owning own business, a maid at home – Caroline Bolton, 20, born Blackfriars in Surrey). By 1861: none of the children had married, even though the eldest, Isabella, was 22; Alfred was a third mate in the merchant service; Clarence was a clerk to his father; Edward was an apprentice chemist; Marion and Sidney were students. By 1871: the family lived at Henley Villa, Fochaber Lodge, Church Rd, Deptford; Isabella…; Alfred was ……..; Elizabeth Mary was still living at home; Clarence had left home and started his own family but was still working with his father as a clerk; Edward…….; Marion was still at home’ Sidney was still at home, working as a clerk, presumably for his father. A different domestic servant – Elizabeth Gosling, born about 1851 in Deptford Clarence and family lived at 158 Malpas St, Deptford. Sarah is the daughter of William Henry Ritherdon. ========== William was born in Maidenhead in 1800. Elizabeth was born in Blandford, Dorset in 1803, but appears connected to the Melcombe Regis Dyers. Begin forwarded message: > From: kotuku media <kotuku.media@xtra.co.nz> > Date: 9 December 2009 6:22:56 PM > To: ENG-SURREY-L-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: sailor relatives > > One of my wife's ancestor, Alfred Clark, Master with the White Star > Line is eluding us and I would welcome any suggestions. > > He was born in Castle St, Southwark in 1840. His father William was > a paper seller. > > Then he disappears. No doubt he was a boy sailor. Unfortunately > White Star records have disappeared, according to Cunard. > > It appears he was on the Thermopylae but I can't find crew records > for that. > > His records at Greenwich do not list what ships he was on. > > Then he pops up in NZ. Marries, returns to England and can be found > for a while. > > > Cheers > Ross > > > Sue and Ross Miller > Kotuku Media Ltd > 64 4 233 1842 > 0274 510 339 - Sue > 027 246 7682 - Ross > 112 Pope Street, Camborne, Wellington 5026 > P O Box 54234, Mana, Wellington 5247 > Sue and Ross Miller Kotuku Media Ltd 64 4 233 1842 0274 510 339 - Sue 027 246 7682 - Ross 112 Pope Street, Camborne, Wellington 5026 P O Box 54234, Mana, Wellington 5247