Thanks Trevena & Fionnghal My apologies to list admin this is a little off topic > Hi there is an alternative, if you have access to a library as a great > many > of them have free access to Ancestry and you could look it up there, > Trevena > Thanks to both recent posters for their information Sadly living in rural South Africa option two does not exist and option one is way beyond the means of my pocket , Options 3, 4, 5 & 6 do however exist Option 3 use the free sites FBMD, FReg and FCen and when I finish work at the end of next year guess what I will be offering to do. Option 4 Find a family member who has the ability to assist Option 5 Ask the list for information only ?????no wait is that possibly a problem too ???? Option 6 Give up Why stay on the list ?........ welll I am if nothing optimistic that one day a family member will appear and that I'm able to recognise them, ...............its friendly, FREE, accessible and when I get a social history problem in the Surrey area I know I will get help Options 3 for me, until I find option 4 ..........adding SMITH and POWELL in Richmond to the CLARK[E] family Thank-you list admin and list for all the help I have received on various topics