Jason You don't help us to help you by not giving the names of John's parents.  Family Search has the 1824 baptism of a John William Martin son of John and Ann at St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey.   If that is not him -   See West Surrey FHS site for details of their pre 1837  birth and marriage CDs not included in the IGI.   See FamilySearch site/ Library/ Catalog/ Place search to see what they have for Bermondsey   See TNA site for non conformist births and down loadable images from Dr Williams Library and other non conformist chapels Hilary  Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:59:17 -0700 From: Jason Austin <jason.austin@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [SRY] ancestry new records To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4ACA9665.7080904@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Seconding Paul's applause for Ancestry's latest offerings with the London parish records but I STILL can't find my elusive John Austin, supposedly born in Bermondsey in 1822 ....!     That man is going to have a lot to answer for when I finally meet him ..... lol Can anyone advise me what to try now?   The 1851 census says he was born in Bermondsey, and he was buried in Abney Park so by his death at least he was a dissenter.   If his parents were dissenters was there a baptism or other ritual that may have been recorded? Thanks Jason  Message: 8 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:58:08 +1300 From: "John Scott" <jaydeescott@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [SRY] ancestry new records To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1BF1A741D5A343E6B677697D5D73B5B8@Daphne1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Have you thought of Maze Pond Chapel, just by Guys Hospital. Daphne.