If he and his family were dissenters, it is possible they aren't amongst Ancestry's offerings which look to be mainly Established church.  None of my Catholic root are to be found, though they were all Londoners.  200yrs of them and not a single birth or death coming up and the one marriage only that appears was because the man wasn't Catholic.  However, the kids grew up Catholic and they're missing.  :-(  Many of them had really helpful names like Clark/e - so easily distinguishable from the thousands of other Clark/s on FreeBMD. :-/ I could cry. So maybe that's the problem.  Have you tried http://www.parishregister.com/searchpage.asp They have Bermondsey records: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey 1782 to 1812 Entries:13,606 Completion:100% [CD available] St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey 1813 to 1822 Entries:4,791 Completion: 100% [CD available] St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey 1822 to 1829 Entries:4,783 Completion:100% [CD available] or you can do a search for likely individuals and purchase those without getting a cd. 'Find my Past' also lists some. You don't mention when he was born or any other details. Someone may be able to help you if you provide more data. le durachd Fionnghal > Ancestry's latest offerings with the > London parish records but I STILL can't find my elusive > John Austin. 1851 census says he was born > in Bermondsey, and he was buried in Abney Park so by his > death at least he was a dissenter.   If his parents were > dissenters was there a baptism > or other ritual that may have been recorded?

Hi Fionnghal Thanks for your message. For your Clark/e's did you look at Abney Park cemetery? Their index shows 757 Clarks and 527 Clarke's buried there. For my John Austin I think I have searched all the on-line Bermondsey parish records, including Findmypast and the latest Ancestry ones. So I have to go a path less travelled ... lol You've probably seen a later post where I gave all the info I have on him. Best wishes to you too! Jason Fionnghal wrote: >If he and his family were dissenters, it is possible they aren't amongst Ancestry's offerings which look to be mainly Established church. None of my Catholic root are to be found, though they were all Londoners. 200yrs of them and not a single birth or death coming up and the one marriage only that appears was because the man wasn't Catholic. However, the kids grew up Catholic and they're missing. :-( Many of them had really helpful names like Clark/e - so easily distinguishable from the thousands of other Clark/s on FreeBMD. :-/ I could cry. > >So maybe that's the problem. >Have you tried >http://www.parishregister.com/searchpage.asp >They have Bermondsey records: >St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey 1782 to 1812 >Entries:13,606 Completion:100% [CD available] > St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey 1813 to 1822 >Entries:4,791 Completion: 100% [CD available] > St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey 1822 to 1829 >Entries:4,783 Completion:100% [CD available] > >or you can do a search for likely individuals and purchase those without getting a cd. > >'Find my Past' also lists some. >You don't mention when he was born or any other details. Someone may be able to help you if you provide more data. > >le durachd > >Fionnghal > > > >>Ancestry's latest offerings with the >>London parish records but I STILL can't find my elusive >>John Austin. 1851 census says he was born >>in Bermondsey, and he was buried in Abney Park so by his >>death at least he was a dissenter. If his parents were >>dissenters was there a baptism >>or other ritual that may have been recorded? >> >> > > > > > >*************************************** >Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > >List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Sorry, I should have given the link for Abney Park. It is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~abneypark/abneyy.html?o_xid=9872&o_lid=9872&offerid=0:694:0 <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eabneypark/abneyy.html?o_xid=9872&o_lid=9872&offerid=0:694:0> Jason Jason Austin wrote: > Hi Fionnghal > > Thanks for your message. > > For your Clark/e's did you look at Abney Park cemetery? Their index > shows 757 Clarks and 527 Clarke's buried there. > >For my John Austin I think I have searched all the on-line Bermondsey parish records, including Findmypast and the latest Ancestry ones. So I have to go a path less travelled ... lol You've probably seen a later post where I gave all the info I have on him. > >Best wishes to you too! > >Jason > >

Abney Park is a great resource, I'm familiar with it and found all my Buik folk residing there, however, my Clarkes married into the Fitzmaurice family who had a preference for St Patrick's Roman Catholic Cemetery, Leytonstone and although i know for a fact that the F/m's are there, they don't show in Findmypast parish burials and my cd obly covers from 1861 to 1880. some may also be in St Mary Moorfields. However, I seem to be creeping out of Surrey so better leave it at that cheers for now Fionnghal > > For your Clark/e's did you look at Abney Park > cemetery?  Their index

The LDS Family Search records show: John Longley Austen, b. 19 August 1835, christening 20 September 1836, Jamaica Row, Independent, Bermondsey, Surrey England Parents: John Austen; Mary Ann. No marriage or children information. Perhaps this is your man? I am presuming (I am a complete amateur here) that the reference to "independent" might help in locating the Church in question? There are, in addition, tons of other John Austins (under various spellings, and many probably are multiple entries of the same individuals) in the few hundred years preceding, all throughout Surrey. Michael C Canada

Thanks Michael. My John was born in1822 and his father was Richard. Regards Jason Michael Clifton wrote: >The LDS Family Search records show: > >John Longley Austen, b. 19 August 1835, christening 20 September 1836, Jamaica Row, Independent, Bermondsey, Surrey England > >Parents: John Austen; Mary Ann. > >No marriage or children information. > >Perhaps this is your man? I am presuming (I am a complete amateur here) that the reference to "independent" might help in locating the Church in question? > >There are, in addition, tons of other John Austins (under various spellings, and many probably are multiple entries of the same individuals) in the few hundred years preceding, all throughout Surrey. > > >Michael C >Canada > > > >

Hello Folks, Due to Ancestry's London records (and other detective work over the last year) I have finally (after about 18 years of looking) have a year of birth and death for my 4 gt grandfather, James Matthews. Yippee So from his burial record born @1774, died Sept 1828, buried 24 Sep 1828, Rotherhithe. Still I do not know where he was born or got married. However I do have a likely candidate and would like to eliminate or progress further. Is anyone out there researching the Matthews family and has a James Matthews born 1774-1775 possible father Thomas? I believe that this James was apprenticed as a Waterman/Lighterman on 06/08/1789. For some reason he never completed his apprenticeship. I have trawlled through the Watermen and Lightermen Company books, but no reason is given why on any of the apprentice records. My James ended up in the Royal Navy and had some of his family in Portsmouth. Between 1817 and 1828 he moved/returned to the Rotherhithe area with at least one son, one daughter and his wife Mary. He became a Waterman, I presume licenced by Trinty house, as the Company books do not list him. Regretfully the Trinity House records are incomplete. I have loads of information on the son and daughter, and I know when my 4gt grandmother dies (1848), but again I do not know when she was born, however from the 1841 census I know it is not Surrey. Hoping to remove yet another brick from this wall, Best Wishes, Dorri _________________________________________________________________ Access your other email accounts and manage all your email from one place. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/