Hi Daphne When you search the newfamilysearch for Lazarus PAVIE born 1774 you get one hit headed as :- =============== *None of these results strongly match what you searched for. The following results may still be of interest.* ? Pavie England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) birth: 07 Apr 1774 -Holborn, Middlesex parents: Charles Pavie, Mary Pavie record title: England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) name: ? Pavie event type: Birth birth date: 07 Apr 1774 birthplace: Holborn, Middlesex father's name: Charles Pavie mother's name: Mary Pavie record set: RG8_0058 ============== You will note there is no forename, I think this is what you found and you thought it was for Lazarus (there is still the chance it is for he but suspect its not) This is the LDS trying to give pointers to other records , personally I feel it hinders rather than helps, I can see an awful lot of trees being built on fairly wobbly foundations using newfamilysearch Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, Nivard and Judy > > Thanks for your input re Lazarus. Sorry to have sounded so confused ( I was not feeling at my > best, and should have known better than to try to explain facts at that time) > It does look as though my supposed break-through to find his birth/baptism was not what I thought. > But I still don't understand where the birth date and place came from - twice. One was for > LAZARUS PAVIE giving birth details and parentage, the other was LAZARUS PAVEY and gave same birth > details (sans parentage) and also those of his marriage and death. > I had remarked, long ago, while trawling through the Kingston parish records, that there seemed to > be two Pavey families in the town, but didn't see a connection at the time. It looks as though it > is time for a review. Thank you for the tip about the will, Judy. > > Daphne