I read this with some interest, having spent months researching a family of Grahams, I cannot find their marriage nor registration of any of their five children, have concluded at last they were not registered. Carole Brett -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Willis Sent: 31 July 2011 14:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SRY] Fwd: No birth certificate Hi Rose you say there is no birth certificate. Does this rest entirely on the lack of an index entry in the GRO indexes? If so you sd ask the local registrar. It is a well documented fact that a significant proportion of entries either failed to reach the GRO, were missed in the indexing, or were so garbled as to be unrecognisable. Much of the research refers to the marriage indexes, which are a bit different, but a smaller study indicates the others are similar. Google "Mike Foster - A Comedy of Errors". Having said all that, it is surprising that the indexes are as good as they are. Chris Willis in yateley, Hants ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick and Rose Lee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:17 AM Subject: [SRY] Fwd: No birth certificate > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nick and Rose Lee <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:16 PM > Subject: No birth certificate > To: [email protected] > > > Any ideas! > My great grandfather, Jeremiah Duggan has *no* birth certificate. > According > to 1881 census he was born in either 1861 or 1862 in Thornton Heath, > Croydon, Surrey. His wedding certificate and death certificate state his > parents as Charles and Julia (nee McCarthy) Duggan. I would like to find > some evidence to prove his parents are Charles and Julia and establish > whether he has siblings or not. I have spent such a long time researching > info on Jeremiah but have very little. Any ideas as to what I could do > would be appreciated. > > Rose *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My great grandfather-in-law, Samuel Leonard, also lacks registration.  Ancestry.co.uk told me that is wasn't firm law until about 1875 that births had to be registered.   Corrall --- On Sun, 31/7/11, DAVID BRETT <[email protected]> wrote: From: DAVID BRETT <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SRY] Fwd: No birth certificate To: "'Chris Willis'" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Sunday, 31 July, 2011, 17:51 I read this with some interest, having spent months researching a family of Grahams, I cannot find their marriage nor registration of any of their five children, have concluded at last they were not registered. Carole Brett -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Willis Sent: 31 July 2011 14:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SRY] Fwd: No birth certificate Hi Rose you say there is no birth certificate. Does this rest entirely on the lack of an index entry in the GRO indexes? If so you sd ask the local registrar. It is a well documented fact that a significant proportion of entries either failed to reach the GRO, were missed in the indexing, or were so garbled as to be unrecognisable. Much of the research refers to the marriage indexes, which are a bit different, but a smaller study indicates the others are similar. Google "Mike Foster - A Comedy of Errors". Having said all that, it is surprising that the indexes are as good as they are. Chris Willis in yateley, Hants ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick and Rose Lee" <[email protected]m> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:17 AM Subject: [SRY] Fwd: No birth certificate > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nick and Rose Lee <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:16 PM > Subject: No birth certificate > To: [email protected] > > > Any ideas! > My great grandfather, Jeremiah Duggan has *no* birth certificate. > According > to 1881 census he was born in either 1861 or 1862 in Thornton Heath, > Croydon, Surrey.  His wedding certificate and death certificate state his > parents as Charles and Julia (nee McCarthy) Duggan.  I would like to find > some evidence to prove his parents are Charles and Julia and establish > whether he has siblings or not.  I have spent such a long time researching > info on Jeremiah but have very little.  Any ideas as to what I could do > would be appreciated. > > Rose *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  [email protected]   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  [email protected]   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Corrall It was compulsory from day one of Civil registration but until 1875 there was no penalty and the onus was on the Registrar to find the births and register them >From 1875 there was a penalty if the birth was not registered within 42 days and the onus was on the parents to do so Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) My great grandfather-in-law, Samuel Leonard, also lacks registration. Ancestry.co.uk told me that is wasn't firm law until about 1875 that births had to be registered. Corrall

Corrall.. To show you what can happen in those days I have the following.. A greatgrandfather who was born in the 1830 a Crowley/Crawley and married a Mary under that name..had a big family also under that name. His wife Mary died and he married another Mary not long after..but this time he used the name Hawley and had another family under that surname. When one of the first family married he was shown as a Crowley. but when one of the second family married he was shown as Hawley.. One of his Hawley sons was registered for his birth and in a form he used to fill out for the police force he put down his full correct date of birth..I was never able to find his birth registration anywhere, but did eventually find his christening 13 years later and I knew it was him as it also had the same date of birth shown luckily. Applied for a birth certificate giving the dates I had a it came through no problems all correct,,so it obviously had just been left off the list accidently. this shows how muddled things can be back then ,,Dont know why he changed his name but it has been Hawley ever since.. Hope this can show you how mixed up things can be.. Happy hunting Mary in Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] Fwd: No birth certificate > Hi Corrall > > It was compulsory from day one of Civil registration but until 1875 there > was no penalty and the > onus was on the Registrar to find the births and register them > >>From 1875 there was a penalty if the birth was not registered within 42 >>days and the onus was on the > parents to do so > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > My great grandfather-in-law, Samuel Leonard, also lacks registration. > Ancestry.co.uk told me that is > wasn't firm law until about 1875 that births had to be registered. > > Corrall > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >