Hi Tony Have you tried the College of Arms? http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/About.htm HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: [SRY] Family Crests MARTER and MARTYR > > Dear all, > > I am working on a family history publication of the MARTERs and MARTYRs of > Surrey and Kent and have just commenced a chapter on coats of arms. But > living in the USA in a relatively small town in Texas, (de-camped from UK > in 2008) I am having trouble properly researching this area. To date, I > have spent a huge numbers of hours trawling the Internet with some modicum > of success and found reference to three crests described as follows: > > "MARTYR, Eng. An ostrich’s head, argent, collared, or, between two palm > branches, vert." Earliest date for blazon is 1817 with the publication of > Volume I of Alexander Deuchar’s British Crests. > > "MARTER, on a chapeau, gu., turned up erm., an eagle rising, ppr." > Earliest date for blazon is 1851, with the publication of Volume II of J. > P. Elven’s The Book of Family Crests. > > "MARTYR, a griffin segreant, or, wings indorsed, ar., (holding a rose, > gu., stalked and leaved, ppr.)" Earliest date for blazon is 1854, with > the issue of Elven’s The Book of Family Crests, Seventh Edition, Enlarged. > > These and many other references were all found at Internet Archives or > Google eBooks but I am looking for any earlier descriptions of these > crests that may be available, or indeed any other MARTER or MARTYR crests. > Does anyone have reference to books that might help me to push blazon > dates back further please? > > I have also noticed that some of the volumes have a single page inside > colourfully illustrating either the full title of the volume or just a > part of the title. Would these have been part of the original volume of > added by an enthusiastic owner? Happy to scan these images and send to > anyone who might be able to, or want to, help me out. > > Tony Marter > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message