---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nick and Rose Lee <[email protected]> Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:16 PM Subject: No birth certificate To: [email protected] Any ideas! My great grandfather, Jeremiah Duggan has *no* birth certificate. According to 1881 census he was born in either 1861 or 1862 in Thornton Heath, Croydon, Surrey. His wedding certificate and death certificate state his parents as Charles and Julia (nee McCarthy) Duggan. I would like to find some evidence to prove his parents are Charles and Julia and establish whether he has siblings or not. I have spent such a long time researching info on Jeremiah but have very little. Any ideas as to what I could do would be appreciated. Rose

Hi Rose I can't answer your request for the birth but there is plenty more out there on this family Their marriage (note another MCCARTHY marriage on the same page, a sister to Julia perhaps?) Marriages Sep 1858 Dance James Croydon 2a 282 Duggan Charles Croydon 2a 282 McCarthy Julia Croydon 2a 282 McCarthy Mary Croydon 2a 282 Birth of son (see 1871) Births Dec 1859 DUGGAN James Croydon 2a 174 Possible death reg Julia Deaths Dec 1891 DUGGAN Julia 72 Croydon 2a 151 Possible death reg Michael Julia's step son Deaths Jun 1916 Duggan Michael 73 Croydon 2a 403 Jeremiah & Julia 1871 Name: Jeremiah Duggin Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 [1862] Relation: Son Mother's name: Julia Duggin Gender: Male Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England Civil parish: Croydon Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour Town: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Household schedule number: 313 Piece: 845 Folio: 36 Page Number: 63 Household Members: Name Age Julia Duggin 49 Michael Duggin 29 James Duggin 11 Jeremiah Duggin 9 (transcribed as 19 but correction added to 9) RG10; Piece: 845; Folio: 36; Page: 63 Julia a visitor in 1861 Name: Julia Duggin Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Newington, Surrey, England Civil parish: Southwark St Olave Ecclesiastical parish: St Olave County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: St Olave ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 207 Piece: 316 Folio: 121 Page Number: 34 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Mc Carthy 40 James Mc Carthy 44 Julia Duggin 39 Elizabeth Duggin 3 Johanna Harrings 68 RG9; Piece: 316; Folio: 121; Page: 34; GSU roll: 542613. Possible death for Charles although there is another family of a Charles and *Jude* in Croydon 1861, they also have a son Michael b1846, James b1842, dau Johanna b1841 all Ireland So a little for you to be going on with Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Any ideas! > My great grandfather, Jeremiah Duggan has *no* birth certificate.  According > to 1881 census he was born in either 1861 or 1862 in Thornton Heath, > Croydon, Surrey.  His wedding certificate and death certificate state his > parents as Charles and Julia (nee McCarthy) Duggan.  I would like to find > some evidence to prove his parents are Charles and Julia and establish > whether he has siblings or not.  I have spent such a long time researching > info on Jeremiah but have very little.  Any ideas as to what I could do > would be appreciated. > > Rose

One further part Julia in 1891 Correction to DUGGAN added Name: Julia Duggers Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Mother Gender: Female Where born: Cork, Ireland Civil parish: Croydon Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Thornton Heath County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 60 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 596 Folio: 142 Page Number: 42 Household Members: Name Age James Duggers 32 Julia Duggers 70 RG12; Piece: 596; Folio 142; Page 42; GSU roll: 6095706. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Any ideas! > My great grandfather, Jeremiah Duggan has *no* birth certificate.  According > to 1881 census he was born in either 1861 or 1862 in Thornton Heath, > Croydon, Surrey.  His wedding certificate and death certificate state his > parents as Charles and Julia (nee McCarthy) Duggan.  I would like to find > some evidence to prove his parents are Charles and Julia and establish > whether he has siblings or not.  I have spent such a long time researching > info on Jeremiah but have very little.  Any ideas as to what I could do > would be appreciated. > > Rose

Hi Rose you say there is no birth certificate. Does this rest entirely on the lack of an index entry in the GRO indexes? If so you sd ask the local registrar. It is a well documented fact that a significant proportion of entries either failed to reach the GRO, were missed in the indexing, or were so garbled as to be unrecognisable. Much of the research refers to the marriage indexes, which are a bit different, but a smaller study indicates the others are similar. Google "Mike Foster - A Comedy of Errors". Having said all that, it is surprising that the indexes are as good as they are. Chris Willis in yateley, Hants ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick and Rose Lee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:17 AM Subject: [SRY] Fwd: No birth certificate > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nick and Rose Lee <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:16 PM > Subject: No birth certificate > To: [email protected] > > > Any ideas! > My great grandfather, Jeremiah Duggan has *no* birth certificate. > According > to 1881 census he was born in either 1861 or 1862 in Thornton Heath, > Croydon, Surrey. His wedding certificate and death certificate state his > parents as Charles and Julia (nee McCarthy) Duggan. I would like to find > some evidence to prove his parents are Charles and Julia and establish > whether he has siblings or not. I have spent such a long time researching > info on Jeremiah but have very little. Any ideas as to what I could do > would be appreciated. > > Rose

Hello Rose, I note that in the Australian Death Index 1787 - 1985 there is the following record I wonder if it is your Jeremiah. Death Jeremiah Duggan age 68 years. Born abt 1862. Parents George Duggan and Julia McCarthy. Location, Orbost, Victoria, Aust Year registered 1930 Victoria. Register Number 6865 Hope that may help. Ray Hudson Perth, Western Australia. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6187 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message