What a wonderful list! Many thanks to all the people who were able to assist me in one way or another in my research of the above name. Every little bit of information helps me to hopefully find the right names. Yes, Nivard, I did notice the other info about the name under Lydia WATTS in the census. Will have to pursue this line more. Everyone has given me so many useful links to follow and I am most grateful. Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <eng-surrey-request@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: ENG-SURREY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 159 > > > If you'd like your Digest format changed, please don't hesitate to contact > me, Ann, at the Surrey List Admin address: > Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > > To send a reply, or a new message to the List send it to > Eng-Surrey@rootsweb.com > > When replying to an earlier message please change the Subject line to > reflect the content, and trim away unnecessary parts of earlier postings. > Always use Plain Text for List Messages - if unsure contact List Admin for > help. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey (Nivard Ovington) > 2. Re: Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > (Caroline Bradford) > 3. Births in Egham and Richmond (Cliff Webb) > 4. Re: Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey (Pam Hillier) > 5. Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey (joyce sampson) > 6. Re: Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey (Nivard Ovington) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:55:45 +0100 > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <507BCF91.7020807@sky.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Hi Kerry > > Not sure why you have picked Richmond unless you have found a baptism > there and hope it fits in? > > Egham is about 13 or 14 miles distant from Richmond so not a normal > place for an Egham family to have their child baptized > > However people can baptize children where they they wish to and > sometimes a child might be born in other than the home Parish, the first > child is often born and sometimes baptized in the mothers home Parish > but sometimes a family just like a particular Parish and travel miles to > baptize their children there, but thats not the norm > > More often than not baptisms were held at the nearest Parish Church, in > this case Egham itself > > Egham is near Staines, you can very often answer geographic questions by > entering the place name in google followed by the word Genuki > > In this case :- > > http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/SRY/Egham/EghamHistory.html > > Similarly for registration districts, enter the place name in google > followed by the words registration district which finds > > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/windsor.html > > (you will notice that although in Surrey it is under the registration > district of Windsor in Berkshire from 1837 to 1934) > > Google maps are also very useful for checking the location of a place > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 15/10/2012 01:12, kab635@tadaust.org.au wrote: >> I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a >> little confused when researching this area. >> I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of >> making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually walk >> the areas that I have in family tree files. >> I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY >> as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born >> in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in >> Richmond or somewhere else? >> Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little >> confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. >> Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:44:24 +0100 > From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000101cdaab1$4768db80$d63a9280$@bradford@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, Kerry, and welcome. > > If a person was born in Egham between 1 July 1837 and 1 April 1934 the > birth > would have been *registered* in Windsor registration district (Surrey > North > Western after the latter date). > > Baptism is another matter altogether. If it took place at all (and not > all > families chose to have their children baptised), the most likely venue > would > have been the parish church of St John the Baptist in Egham, but family > connections to other places and/or personal preference might have led to > the > baptism being anywhere. Richmond is some distance away, so there would > have > had to have been a compelling reason to take a child there for baptism. > > Why not post some more details to help us help you further? > > Best wishes > > Caroline >> >> I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a >> little confused when researching this area. >> I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of >> making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually >> walk the areas that I have in family tree files. >> I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of >> SURREY as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person >> was born in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been >> baptized in Richmond or somewhere else? >> Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little >> confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. >> Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia . > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:22:11 +0100 (BST) > From: Cliff Webb <cliffwebbhistorian@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [SRY] Births in Egham and Richmond > To: "eng-surrey@rootsweb.com" <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1350289331.54588.YahooMailNeo@web172202.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dear Kerry > The situation in Surrey is, I'm afraid horribly complicated. Richmond and > Egham are two quite widely separated areas, and it is unlikely that > someone born in one would be baptised in the other. Egham has always been > in the administrative county of Surrey, but for some registration purposes > it was linked with parishes in the county of Berkshire (to which it is > next). Richmond was in the administrative county of Surrey until 1965 when > with a number of other places it formed the London Borough of Richmond > which was incorporated into "Greater London". > I would advise you to look at a map of Surrey to see the various links > between these places, there are dozens freely available on the Internet. > Also if you look at the West Surrey FHS's website you will see they have > umpteen inexpensive publications which attempt to deal with the hows and > wherefores of Surrey research in great detail. > Regards > Cliff Webb > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:02:03 +1030 > From: "Pam Hillier" <pamhillier24@virginbroadband.com.au> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <9B2B3F05EBE0445DA77EC1B09B814AA1@pam41a8be81bf4> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Kerry > Have Egham Family myself........More likely St John the Baptist Egham > which > is the main church and dates back generations..... > but don't discount nearby places such as Chertsey, Englefield green & > virginia waters........some of my Egham lot escaped to there. Also Egham > is > not far from the Berkshire border and some of mine married or originated > from there..... > https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=347572&subject_disp=England%2C+Surrey%2C+Egham+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 > please contact me off list if you need to. > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > > >>I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a >>little confused when researching this area. >> I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of >> making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually walk >> the areas that I have in family tree files. >> I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY >> as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born >> in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in >> Richmond or somewhere else? >> Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little >> confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. >> Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:13:25 +0100 > From: joyce sampson <sampson733@gmail.com> > Subject: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > To: Eng-Surrey@rootsweb.com > Cc: kab635@tadaust.org.au > Message-ID: > <CAMbwSQ5ftfEo8PevyOjFAnvUCHX7_w313i4gzCw=z8HYYM=6Xg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dear Kerry. > > "I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY > as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born > in > Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in > Richmond or somewhere else?" > > If you look on the web site of West Surrey FHS you will be able to print > off a copy of the Surrey map showing the different parishes in Surrey. > www.wsfhs.org > Both Egham & Epsom are in quite different areas in Surrey. All depending > on what time span you are looking at you may need to purchase certificates > of birth first. Both Egham & Epsom have their own churches, so baptisms > could have taken place in those parishes. > Best of luck with your research. > Joyce > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:52:04 +0100 > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <507BEAD4.8040506@sky.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi again > > I looked at the archives and found a previous post of yours which, for > reasons unknown I have never received, I wonder if others did? > (and hence why no replies?) > > Elizabeth WATTS married Thomas CADMAN in *1828* 7th Sept at All Souls > Langham Westminster > > Both were single, both of that Parish > > Both signed as did their witnesses Ann LUK? and Edward BAMWELL? > > Later census state she was born in Egham Surrey > (Richmond in 1851 however the enumerator has Thomas birthplace > differently to the 1861 as well) > > The Martha who married George BERRYMAN in 1822 was born 1791 according > to the census, I would say both she and Lydia's birthplaces are Egham > rather than Epsom (just the way the enumerator wrote his g's) > Did you notice on the page after the 1861 entry is another niece > Elizabeth B??WELL (see Edward above perhaps) > > In 1851 Martha BERRYMANs birthplace is enumerated as Englefield Green > Surrey which may be interesting to follow up, that is very close to Egham > > I have found the BERRYMAN family in 1841 & 1851 and entered corrections > which will show in searches in a couple of weeks, if you want the pages > let me know > > Unfortunately I still can't find baptisms for either Martha WATTS circa > 1791 or Elizabeth WATTS circa 1807 > > I did find > > St John the Baptist Egham 1807 > Born 26th July > Baptised 6th Sept > Lydia daughter of William and the late Phebe WATTS > > St John the Baptist Egham 1805 > Born May 28th > Baptised 7th July > Thomas son of William and Phobe WATTS > > I will send this and continue looking > > Perhaps other might find something > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> I would really like to be able to trace the family and ancestors of >> my 2 x Gr,Grandmother, Elizabeth WATTS who was born in Egham, >> Surrey. The information I do have on her to date is that she married >> a Thomas CADMAN in 1826 and I have followed her through the various >> census until her death. However, I have not been able to find her >> family prior to her marriage. I do know that she had a sister Lydia >> and have followed her through the census until her death also - Lydia >> never married. In one of the census for Lydia I found that she was >> listed as a niece to Martha and George BERRYMAN. By checking on the >> marriage of this couple I found that Martha was a Martha WATTS prior >> to her marriage. The census shows her as being born in Epsom in >> Surrey abt 1791. I have tried using naming patters to search for >> other family members but to date have had no luck and so am hoping to >> enlist members of this list to'point me in the right direction' so to >> speak as I feel that I have hit a brick wall with this one; I would >> be most grateful to anyone who is able to assist me. Kindest regards, >> Kerry from Queensland, Australia >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-SURREY list administrator, send an email to > ENG-SURREY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-SURREY mailing list, send an email to > ENG-SURREY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-SURREY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 159 > ****************************************** >