Dear Chris So pleased to receive your reply. Yes I am aware of the Brasss Memorial in the Parish of Farndish and have visited the church and photographed it and visit the church when we travel to England. John was the Rector from 1571 until his death in 1625 but the parish registers are only available from 1587. Fortunately he was married twice and his second family are all recorded in the registers. Based on his record at Magdalen College and their Archivist he was more likely born about 1537 but still a great age at his death. Tobias is my stumbling block as I am unable to find his birth, clarify his marriage/s and locate the birth of his son and heir John. I love the photos of the church on their website and it is just as appealing when visitng. Thank you for your assistance. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Willis" <c.willis111@btinternet.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] Marriage of Tobias Johnson & Susanna > Dear Anne > > the Surrey Marriage index has no Tobias Johnson until the 18th century. I > am > not sure that I have the latest version, so there cd be some metropolitan > Surrey possibilities that I wouldn't have seen. The index is supposed to > be > complete for rural parishes. > > Had you noticed that the rector of Farndish died as a very old man: "in > the > chancel is a small brass to John Johnston, rector (ob. 1625), being then > nearly 100 years old". [Kelly's Directory - Bedfordshire - 1898] at > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/BDF/Farndish/index.html#Church%20History > . > Gives an idea of his birth date. > > Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Wiltshire" <smuggler@iinet.net.au> > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:00 AM > Subject: [SRY] Marriage of Tobias Johnson & Susanna > > >> Hello >> >> I am endeavouring to locate the marriage of Tobias Johnson and Susanna >> (sometime Susan) maiden name unknown and hope you will bear with me in >> this >> detailed email. I am hoping that the marriage may be found in Surrey. >> >> Facts: >> >> 1. Tobias - birth date not known - c.1570-1588 (depending on whether 1593 >> marriage below is his) to John Johnson Rector of Farndish Bedfordshire. >> He >> ws son and heire of John Johnson, Rector of Farndish Bedfordshire. >> >> 2. Tobias had a son, and heire, John Johnson - birth not located - >> mother >> not known. John married 1632 and bired 1650 and was named in various >> family >> wills. >> >> 3. Tobias was of "St Mary Somerset" from 1623-1633 but family home was in >> Lingfield Surrey. He owned considerable properties in Surrey and some in >> Sussex and London (I.P.M). The family home in Lingfield SRY was known as >> "Apsley Town". Susan buried 1641 from Apsley Town in Lingfield church >> grounds. >> >> 4. Tobias in various confirmed records is also shown as Tobie, Tobye, >> Thoby >> and I have assumed that the marriage would have occurred between 1600 and >> 1627 when the first instance of Susan noted as wife of Tobias Johnson was >> found. >> >> 5. I have found three marriages for a Tobias Johnson and was able to >> dismiss >> others based on occupation and/or date of death. All could be his or one >> or >> two?? >> >> A. Tobias Johnson & Ane Thompson 23 Apr 1593 St Dunstan in the East. >> Tobias had not finished his apprenticeship and LMA advised marriage >> was >> not usually permitted during an apprenticeship - wife Ann and child >> Elizabeth deceased by Apr 1607 >> all St Dunstan in the East. >> >> B. Tobie Johnson & Anne Wood 14 Dec 1607 St James Garlickhithe. >> Child Anna & wife Anne deceased by Dec 1608 (St Dunstan in the East) >> >> C. Tobias Johnson to Elizabeth Downes 8 Aug 1616 St Katherine by the >> Tower no known children or death of wife found. >> >> D. Tobias Johnson to Susan [????????] perhaps in Surrey?? >> >> 6. Tobias, a Barber Surgeon, was buried on 15 Feb 1633 at St Mary >> Somerset >> and Susan was "relict and executrix". Susan's admon reads " Act of >> Administration. JOHNSON, Susan, Widow, Lingfield Surrey to John Johnson >> Esq., s. 18 Mar 1641 p.20 (I am assuming that s. is son but she may not >> necessarily be his mother??) >> >> I would appreciate any assistance or advice >> >> Anne Wiltshire >> Runaway Bay QLD Australia >> >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Anne is it possible that Elizabeth went back to mum in North Crawley for Tobias' birth? It seems that the records exist for the period you consider likely. (It seems that you have seen the two pages of Boyd's London Inhabitants). These sheets give little hint of the Surrey connection. Have you found the Surrey Visitation mentioned on Tobias' sheet? I wonder if there is anything to be found in the records of such as the Merchant Taylors. Chris W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Wiltshire" <smuggler@iinet.net.au> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] Marriage of Tobias Johnson & Susanna > Dear Chris > > So pleased to receive your reply. Yes I am aware of the Brasss Memorial > in > the Parish of Farndish and have visited the church and photographed it and > visit the church when we travel to England. > > John was the Rector from 1571 until his death in 1625 but the parish > registers are only available from 1587. Fortunately he was married twice > and > his second family are all recorded in the registers. Based on his record > at > Magdalen College and their Archivist he was more likely born about 1537 > but > still a great age at his death. > > Tobias is my stumbling block as I am unable to find his birth, clarify his > marriage/s and locate the birth of his son and heir John. > > I love the photos of the church on their website and it is just as > appealing > when visitng. > > Thank you for your assistance. > > Anne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Willis" <c.willis111@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:20 AM > Subject: Re: [SRY] Marriage of Tobias Johnson & Susanna > > >> Dear Anne >> >> the Surrey Marriage index has no Tobias Johnson until the 18th century. I >> am >> not sure that I have the latest version, so there cd be some metropolitan >> Surrey possibilities that I wouldn't have seen. The index is supposed to >> be >> complete for rural parishes. >> >> Had you noticed that the rector of Farndish died as a very old man: "in >> the >> chancel is a small brass to John Johnston, rector (ob. 1625), being then >> nearly 100 years old". [Kelly's Directory - Bedfordshire - 1898] at >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/BDF/Farndish/index.html#Church%20History >> . >> Gives an idea of his birth date. >> >> Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anne Wiltshire" <smuggler@iinet.net.au> >> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:00 AM >> Subject: [SRY] Marriage of Tobias Johnson & Susanna >> >> >>> Hello >>> >>> I am endeavouring to locate the marriage of Tobias Johnson and Susanna >>> (sometime Susan) maiden name unknown and hope you will bear with me in >>> this >>> detailed email. I am hoping that the marriage may be found in Surrey. >>> >>> Facts: >>> >>> 1. Tobias - birth date not known - c.1570-1588 (depending on whether >>> 1593 >>> marriage below is his) to John Johnson Rector of Farndish Bedfordshire. >>> He >>> ws son and heire of John Johnson, Rector of Farndish Bedfordshire. >>> >>> 2. Tobias had a son, and heire, John Johnson - birth not located - >>> mother >>> not known. John married 1632 and bired 1650 and was named in various >>> family >>> wills. >>> >>> 3. Tobias was of "St Mary Somerset" from 1623-1633 but family home was >>> in >>> Lingfield Surrey. He owned considerable properties in Surrey and some in >>> Sussex and London (I.P.M). The family home in Lingfield SRY was known >>> as >>> "Apsley Town". Susan buried 1641 from Apsley Town in Lingfield church >>> grounds. >>> >>> 4. Tobias in various confirmed records is also shown as Tobie, Tobye, >>> Thoby >>> and I have assumed that the marriage would have occurred between 1600 >>> and >>> 1627 when the first instance of Susan noted as wife of Tobias Johnson >>> was >>> found. >>> >>> 5. I have found three marriages for a Tobias Johnson and was able to >>> dismiss >>> others based on occupation and/or date of death. All could be his or one >>> or >>> two?? >>> >>> A. Tobias Johnson & Ane Thompson 23 Apr 1593 St Dunstan in the East. >>> Tobias had not finished his apprenticeship and LMA advised marriage >>> was >>> not usually permitted during an apprenticeship - wife Ann and child >>> Elizabeth deceased by Apr 1607 >>> all St Dunstan in the East. >>> >>> B. Tobie Johnson & Anne Wood 14 Dec 1607 St James Garlickhithe. >>> Child Anna & wife Anne deceased by Dec 1608 (St Dunstan in the East) >>> >>> C. Tobias Johnson to Elizabeth Downes 8 Aug 1616 St Katherine by the >>> Tower no known children or death of wife found. >>> >>> D. Tobias Johnson to Susan [????????] perhaps in Surrey?? >>> >>> 6. Tobias, a Barber Surgeon, was buried on 15 Feb 1633 at St Mary >>> Somerset >>> and Susan was "relict and executrix". Susan's admon reads " Act of >>> Administration. JOHNSON, Susan, Widow, Lingfield Surrey to John Johnson >>> Esq., s. 18 Mar 1641 p.20 (I am assuming that s. is son but she may not >>> necessarily be his mother??) >>> >>> I would appreciate any assistance or advice >>> >>> Anne Wiltshire >>> Runaway Bay QLD Australia >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >>> superfluous old messages in replies. >>> >>> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message