Hi Pauline The event I just looked at on Ancestry has a birth date on it and that the abode was the workhouse at the time Southwark > Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene > 1849 > 37 born 30th Sept 1838 baptised 23rd May 1849 forenames Samuel Denton Parents Samuel Elizabeth Surname RUSSELL abode Workhouse By whom J.E.GIBSON Is it possible that DENTON is the father and not RUSSELL ? England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Samuel Denton Name: Samuel Denton Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1838 Registration district: Bermondsey Inferred County: London Volume: 4 Page: 14 Curious how the CHESNEY baptisms follow a week after the RUSSELL one and the father is recorded as Samuel not Benjamin like his marriage in 1860 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/10/2012 12:32, Pauline Taylor wrote: > Hi Nivard, > > I too have had problems with Lambeth Workhouse and baptisms. My great > grandfather SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL was baptised at St Mary Magdalene > Bermondsey in 1849. There is no precise date beside his name but another > earlier entry has 23 May 1849. > > Later on I found SAMUEL D RUSSELL in the 1851 census in Lambeth Workhouse, > there was no sign of either of his parents or his brothers and sisters but > his age is given as 12 years. Therefore he must have been born circa 1838. > Further research revealed that in the 1841 census he was living, aged 3, > in Bermondsey Street with his mother ELIZABETH 36 Greengrocer, sister > SARAH 17 trotter dresser, brother BENJAMIN 15 shipwright and brother > WILLIAM aged 11. There is no sign of his father BENJAMIN RUSSELL. I have > never been able to find any other baptism for SAMUEL DENTON nor can I > discover whether his baptism in 1849 took place from the Workhouse.

Hi Nivard, Thank you for that, it would seem that SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL was indeed baptized from the Workhouse so he had been admitted before 1849. Confirmation of his date of birth is useful too. Yes, I have thought for a long time now that his father is more likely to have been a DENTON rather than BENJAMIN RUSSELL but unless I discover that BENJAMIN had died more than 9 months before September 1838 I guess I shall never know for sure, my 2xgreat grandmother is possibly the only one who could tell us the truth! My great grandfather was always known as SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL throughout his life, and his second name was passed on to my father who was ALFRED DENTON RUSSELL. The marriage certificate of SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL'S older brother BENJAMIN RUSSELL 26 March 1838 at St Mary's Bermondsey gives his father's name as BENJAMIN RUSSELL Plumber and Glazier but does not say that he was deceased so this could possibly be a clue as to when BENJAMIN died but, as we all know, such things can be totally inaccurate. SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL'S marriage certificate 9 October 1860 St John the Baptist Hoxton also gives his father's name as BENJAMIN RUSSELL but says he was a Painter (deceased). I agree that there are curious things such as the CHESNEY baptisms, and it is also curious that the name of SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL'S father appears as SAMUEL, was that just a mistake or did his mother speak the truth? I wonder. Pauline Colchester Britain's First City. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 5:48 PM To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SRY] Lambeth Workhouse records circa 1780 - 1800 > Hi Pauline > > The event I just looked at on Ancestry has a birth date on it and that > the abode was the workhouse at the time > > Southwark > Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene > 1849 > 37 > > born 30th Sept 1838 > baptised 23rd May 1849 > forenames Samuel Denton > Parents Samuel Elizabeth > Surname RUSSELL > abode Workhouse > By whom J.E.GIBSON > > Is it possible that DENTON is the father and not RUSSELL ? > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Samuel Denton > Name: Samuel Denton > Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1838 > Registration district: Bermondsey > Inferred County: London > Volume: 4 > Page: 14 > > Curious how the CHESNEY baptisms follow a week after the RUSSELL one and > the father is recorded as Samuel not Benjamin like his marriage in 1860 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 18/10/2012 12:32, Pauline Taylor wrote: >> Hi Nivard, >> >> I too have had problems with Lambeth Workhouse and baptisms. My great >> grandfather SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL was baptised at St Mary Magdalene >> Bermondsey in 1849. There is no precise date beside his name but another >> earlier entry has 23 May 1849. >> >> Later on I found SAMUEL D RUSSELL in the 1851 census in Lambeth >> Workhouse, >> there was no sign of either of his parents or his brothers and sisters >> but >> his age is given as 12 years. Therefore he must have been born circa >> 1838. >> Further research revealed that in the 1841 census he was living, aged 3, >> in Bermondsey Street with his mother ELIZABETH 36 Greengrocer, sister >> SARAH 17 trotter dresser, brother BENJAMIN 15 shipwright and brother >> WILLIAM aged 11. There is no sign of his father BENJAMIN RUSSELL. I >> have >> never been able to find any other baptism for SAMUEL DENTON nor can I >> discover whether his baptism in 1849 took place from the Workhouse. > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message