'Gardeners Arms', I think -- the pub owned by Elias' parent? HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington My interpretation would be "son of the Ownr" Address is 25 (not 26) Chapel St East and the addition may be a house name given the quotation marks, "Gardeners is clear enough can't hazard a guess at the other part Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/10/2012 12:09, John Bennett wrote: > This is my first posting to the Surrey list, most of my ancestors > being from Staffordshire where I live. > > My wife's BAKER ancestors stem from one Elias Richard Baker (1810 - > 1868), possibly born in Devon but lived at Stockwell. She is > descended from one of his sons, Frederick Charles. Another of > Elias's sons was the more famous William Yeats Baker of Streatham, > the author Dennis Wheatley's grandfather. The family was generally > working class but WYB got to be a rich man with a substantial art > collection. Dennis Wheatley's autobiography contains a tantalising > reference to WYB showing him an envelope with the crest of the Earl > of Warwick and said they were descended - but I have not been able to > shed any light on this yet!

Thank you Judy and Nirvard for your help. As their parent, Elias was also living nearby in Chapel Street (sch 78 number 7?) and his stated occupation is 'Beer Shop Keeper' it is possible that they resided at their fathers premises which could be a public house named the Carpenters Arms. I need to check if a public house of that name existed to whom it was licensed. 'Ownr' looks possible and is likely. Well done! On 8 Oct 2012, at 14:38, "Judy Lester" <jlester@btinternet.com> wrote: > 'Gardeners Arms', I think -- the pub owned by Elias' parent? > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington > > My interpretation would be "son of the Ownr" > > Address is 25 (not 26) Chapel St East and the addition may be a house > name given the quotation marks, "Gardeners is clear enough can't hazard > a guess at the other part > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >