Ann So sorry to hear you're giving up the list, we'll miss you. Shirley Forster

Dear Ann, I am so sorry to see you leave your post and wish you well for the future. I would like to publicly thank you for all your hard work over so very many years. Your energy and enthusiasm for the list and for the hobby in general are an inspiration to us all. We shall all be forever indebted to you. With a heavy heart and grateful thank, Lord Martyn of Bletchingley

Very sorry to hear that, Ann. Thank you for all you have done to support such a wonderful resource. Lawrence > From: ann.sargeant@ntlworld.com > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:11:39 +0100 > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SRY] ADMIN: Farewell to the List > > Everyone > > Various commitments make it increasingly difficult for me to find enough time to administer all my online forums. I am sad to relinquish these forums some of which, including this one, I've looked after for about 10 years having made lots of good friends and acquaintances over that long period. > However I cannot now give enough time to the task and so it is much better that someone who can be available at all hours, and with time to spare, takes over. > > If you are interested in administering this List let me know within the next 48 hours. If no takers then the List will be handed back to Rootsweb. > > I wish everyone the very best with their research now and in the future. All being well I hope to still be around and also at some of the family history fairs and events so hopefully it will be really nice to say "Hello" from time to time. > > Thank you for your friendship and co-operation over the years. > > Ann > Surrey List Admin > > > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Everyone Various commitments make it increasingly difficult for me to find enough time to administer all my online forums. I am sad to relinquish these forums some of which, including this one, I've looked after for about 10 years having made lots of good friends and acquaintances over that long period. However I cannot now give enough time to the task and so it is much better that someone who can be available at all hours, and with time to spare, takes over. If you are interested in administering this List let me know within the next 48 hours. If no takers then the List will be handed back to Rootsweb. I wish everyone the very best with their research now and in the future. All being well I hope to still be around and also at some of the family history fairs and events so hopefully it will be really nice to say "Hello" from time to time. Thank you for your friendship and co-operation over the years. Ann Surrey List Admin

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I agree Phil.. Nivard is very generous with his time and knowledge on this list and others..and it is much appreciated.. Mary Sydney -----Original Message----- From: Phil White Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:34 AM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: [SRY] Novard Hi Folks, Over the years of tracking down my various families I have received some excellent assistance from folks I know only by their names on lists like this. Currently one stands out and I thank and applaud him for his generosity and time he has given to so many of us "Listers" PhilWhite Roots in Sussex and IOW *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As Chris Willis mentioned West Surrey have indexed marriages which are complete for Rural Surrey. Lingfield marriages are listed for 1561-1837. As Chris mentioned only one Tobias Johnson, listed in the Index, but too late for your Tobias. The 2nd edition Marriage CD was issued November 2010. At that time it was almost complete for Metropolitan Surrey, the following are the only Anglican Parishes and dates Not included in the Marriage Index. Battersea St Mary 1559-1802: Lambeth St Mary 1754-1822;1824-1827;1829-1831 Newington St Mary 1561-1631; 1640-1646(register gap);1813-1830 (in IGI) St John Horsleydown 1792-1798 Southwark St Saviour 1539-1570 Other dates up to 1837 for the above mentioned parishes are included. Joyce Sampson - West Surrey FHS

Dear Chris So pleased to receive your reply. Yes I am aware of the Brasss Memorial in the Parish of Farndish and have visited the church and photographed it and visit the church when we travel to England. John was the Rector from 1571 until his death in 1625 but the parish registers are only available from 1587. Fortunately he was married twice and his second family are all recorded in the registers. Based on his record at Magdalen College and their Archivist he was more likely born about 1537 but still a great age at his death. Tobias is my stumbling block as I am unable to find his birth, clarify his marriage/s and locate the birth of his son and heir John. I love the photos of the church on their website and it is just as appealing when visitng. Thank you for your assistance. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Willis" <c.willis111@btinternet.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] Marriage of Tobias Johnson & Susanna > Dear Anne > > the Surrey Marriage index has no Tobias Johnson until the 18th century. I > am > not sure that I have the latest version, so there cd be some metropolitan > Surrey possibilities that I wouldn't have seen. The index is supposed to > be > complete for rural parishes. > > Had you noticed that the rector of Farndish died as a very old man: "in > the > chancel is a small brass to John Johnston, rector (ob. 1625), being then > nearly 100 years old". [Kelly's Directory - Bedfordshire - 1898] at > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/BDF/Farndish/index.html#Church%20History > . > Gives an idea of his birth date. > > Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Wiltshire" <smuggler@iinet.net.au> > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:00 AM > Subject: [SRY] Marriage of Tobias Johnson & Susanna > > >> Hello >> >> I am endeavouring to locate the marriage of Tobias Johnson and Susanna >> (sometime Susan) maiden name unknown and hope you will bear with me in >> this >> detailed email. I am hoping that the marriage may be found in Surrey. >> >> Facts: >> >> 1. Tobias - birth date not known - c.1570-1588 (depending on whether 1593 >> marriage below is his) to John Johnson Rector of Farndish Bedfordshire. >> He >> ws son and heire of John Johnson, Rector of Farndish Bedfordshire. >> >> 2. Tobias had a son, and heire, John Johnson - birth not located - >> mother >> not known. John married 1632 and bired 1650 and was named in various >> family >> wills. >> >> 3. Tobias was of "St Mary Somerset" from 1623-1633 but family home was in >> Lingfield Surrey. He owned considerable properties in Surrey and some in >> Sussex and London (I.P.M). The family home in Lingfield SRY was known as >> "Apsley Town". Susan buried 1641 from Apsley Town in Lingfield church >> grounds. >> >> 4. Tobias in various confirmed records is also shown as Tobie, Tobye, >> Thoby >> and I have assumed that the marriage would have occurred between 1600 and >> 1627 when the first instance of Susan noted as wife of Tobias Johnson was >> found. >> >> 5. I have found three marriages for a Tobias Johnson and was able to >> dismiss >> others based on occupation and/or date of death. All could be his or one >> or >> two?? >> >> A. Tobias Johnson & Ane Thompson 23 Apr 1593 St Dunstan in the East. >> Tobias had not finished his apprenticeship and LMA advised marriage >> was >> not usually permitted during an apprenticeship - wife Ann and child >> Elizabeth deceased by Apr 1607 >> all St Dunstan in the East. >> >> B. Tobie Johnson & Anne Wood 14 Dec 1607 St James Garlickhithe. >> Child Anna & wife Anne deceased by Dec 1608 (St Dunstan in the East) >> >> C. Tobias Johnson to Elizabeth Downes 8 Aug 1616 St Katherine by the >> Tower no known children or death of wife found. >> >> D. Tobias Johnson to Susan [????????] perhaps in Surrey?? >> >> 6. Tobias, a Barber Surgeon, was buried on 15 Feb 1633 at St Mary >> Somerset >> and Susan was "relict and executrix". Susan's admon reads " Act of >> Administration. JOHNSON, Susan, Widow, Lingfield Surrey to John Johnson >> Esq., s. 18 Mar 1641 p.20 (I am assuming that s. is son but she may not >> necessarily be his mother??) >> >> I would appreciate any assistance or advice >> >> Anne Wiltshire >> Runaway Bay QLD Australia >> >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Anne is it possible that Elizabeth went back to mum in North Crawley for Tobias' birth? It seems that the records exist for the period you consider likely. (It seems that you have seen the two pages of Boyd's London Inhabitants). These sheets give little hint of the Surrey connection. Have you found the Surrey Visitation mentioned on Tobias' sheet? I wonder if there is anything to be found in the records of such as the Merchant Taylors. Chris W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Wiltshire" <smuggler@iinet.net.au> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] Marriage of Tobias Johnson & Susanna > Dear Chris > > So pleased to receive your reply. Yes I am aware of the Brasss Memorial > in > the Parish of Farndish and have visited the church and photographed it and > visit the church when we travel to England. > > John was the Rector from 1571 until his death in 1625 but the parish > registers are only available from 1587. Fortunately he was married twice > and > his second family are all recorded in the registers. Based on his record > at > Magdalen College and their Archivist he was more likely born about 1537 > but > still a great age at his death. > > Tobias is my stumbling block as I am unable to find his birth, clarify his > marriage/s and locate the birth of his son and heir John. > > I love the photos of the church on their website and it is just as > appealing > when visitng. > > Thank you for your assistance. > > Anne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Willis" <c.willis111@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:20 AM > Subject: Re: [SRY] Marriage of Tobias Johnson & Susanna > > >> Dear Anne >> >> the Surrey Marriage index has no Tobias Johnson until the 18th century. I >> am >> not sure that I have the latest version, so there cd be some metropolitan >> Surrey possibilities that I wouldn't have seen. The index is supposed to >> be >> complete for rural parishes. >> >> Had you noticed that the rector of Farndish died as a very old man: "in >> the >> chancel is a small brass to John Johnston, rector (ob. 1625), being then >> nearly 100 years old". [Kelly's Directory - Bedfordshire - 1898] at >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/BDF/Farndish/index.html#Church%20History >> . >> Gives an idea of his birth date. >> >> Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anne Wiltshire" <smuggler@iinet.net.au> >> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:00 AM >> Subject: [SRY] Marriage of Tobias Johnson & Susanna >> >> >>> Hello >>> >>> I am endeavouring to locate the marriage of Tobias Johnson and Susanna >>> (sometime Susan) maiden name unknown and hope you will bear with me in >>> this >>> detailed email. I am hoping that the marriage may be found in Surrey. >>> >>> Facts: >>> >>> 1. Tobias - birth date not known - c.1570-1588 (depending on whether >>> 1593 >>> marriage below is his) to John Johnson Rector of Farndish Bedfordshire. >>> He >>> ws son and heire of John Johnson, Rector of Farndish Bedfordshire. >>> >>> 2. Tobias had a son, and heire, John Johnson - birth not located - >>> mother >>> not known. John married 1632 and bired 1650 and was named in various >>> family >>> wills. >>> >>> 3. Tobias was of "St Mary Somerset" from 1623-1633 but family home was >>> in >>> Lingfield Surrey. He owned considerable properties in Surrey and some in >>> Sussex and London (I.P.M). The family home in Lingfield SRY was known >>> as >>> "Apsley Town". Susan buried 1641 from Apsley Town in Lingfield church >>> grounds. >>> >>> 4. Tobias in various confirmed records is also shown as Tobie, Tobye, >>> Thoby >>> and I have assumed that the marriage would have occurred between 1600 >>> and >>> 1627 when the first instance of Susan noted as wife of Tobias Johnson >>> was >>> found. >>> >>> 5. I have found three marriages for a Tobias Johnson and was able to >>> dismiss >>> others based on occupation and/or date of death. All could be his or one >>> or >>> two?? >>> >>> A. Tobias Johnson & Ane Thompson 23 Apr 1593 St Dunstan in the East. >>> Tobias had not finished his apprenticeship and LMA advised marriage >>> was >>> not usually permitted during an apprenticeship - wife Ann and child >>> Elizabeth deceased by Apr 1607 >>> all St Dunstan in the East. >>> >>> B. Tobie Johnson & Anne Wood 14 Dec 1607 St James Garlickhithe. >>> Child Anna & wife Anne deceased by Dec 1608 (St Dunstan in the East) >>> >>> C. Tobias Johnson to Elizabeth Downes 8 Aug 1616 St Katherine by the >>> Tower no known children or death of wife found. >>> >>> D. Tobias Johnson to Susan [????????] perhaps in Surrey?? >>> >>> 6. Tobias, a Barber Surgeon, was buried on 15 Feb 1633 at St Mary >>> Somerset >>> and Susan was "relict and executrix". Susan's admon reads " Act of >>> Administration. JOHNSON, Susan, Widow, Lingfield Surrey to John Johnson >>> Esq., s. 18 Mar 1641 p.20 (I am assuming that s. is son but she may not >>> necessarily be his mother??) >>> >>> I would appreciate any assistance or advice >>> >>> Anne Wiltshire >>> Runaway Bay QLD Australia >>> >>> *************************************** >>> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >>> superfluous old messages in replies. >>> >>> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >> superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Nivard Thank you so Much Bob

Hi Robert Try this one on Ancestry 1841 England Census about Thomas Evanick Name: Thomas Evanick Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Gender: Male Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Haggerston West Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 705 Book: 5 Folio: 30 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Evanick 50 Mary Evanick 52 James Evanick 20 Harriet Evanick 18 Richard Evanick 15 HO107; Piece: 705; Book: 5; Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 12; Folio: 30; Page: 16; Line: 1; GSU roll: 438816. I will leave it to you to enter a correction NB Thomas and Mary are likely to be her parents but remember no relationship is given in 1841 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/10/2012 19:19, robertgascoigne wrote: > > Hello List > > I am stuck I cannot find Harriett Evenett at all on Ancestry .co.uk and my > subscription expires tonight. The Harriett below is on Find my Past and I am > sure is the one , but I need her fathers name if SKS knows her parents I > would love to share. > > Bob > >

Hi Folks, Over the years of tracking down my various families I have received some excellent assistance from folks I know only by their names on lists like this. Currently one stands out and I thank and applaud him for his generosity and time he has given to so many of us "Listers" PhilWhite Roots in Sussex and IOW

Dear Anne the Surrey Marriage index has no Tobias Johnson until the 18th century. I am not sure that I have the latest version, so there cd be some metropolitan Surrey possibilities that I wouldn't have seen. The index is supposed to be complete for rural parishes. Had you noticed that the rector of Farndish died as a very old man: "in the chancel is a small brass to John Johnston, rector (ob. 1625), being then nearly 100 years old". [Kelly's Directory - Bedfordshire - 1898] at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/BDF/Farndish/index.html#Church%20History . Gives an idea of his birth date. Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Wiltshire" <smuggler@iinet.net.au> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:00 AM Subject: [SRY] Marriage of Tobias Johnson & Susanna > Hello > > I am endeavouring to locate the marriage of Tobias Johnson and Susanna > (sometime Susan) maiden name unknown and hope you will bear with me in > this > detailed email. I am hoping that the marriage may be found in Surrey. > > Facts: > > 1. Tobias - birth date not known - c.1570-1588 (depending on whether 1593 > marriage below is his) to John Johnson Rector of Farndish Bedfordshire. He > ws son and heire of John Johnson, Rector of Farndish Bedfordshire. > > 2. Tobias had a son, and heire, John Johnson - birth not located - > mother > not known. John married 1632 and bired 1650 and was named in various > family > wills. > > 3. Tobias was of "St Mary Somerset" from 1623-1633 but family home was in > Lingfield Surrey. He owned considerable properties in Surrey and some in > Sussex and London (I.P.M). The family home in Lingfield SRY was known as > "Apsley Town". Susan buried 1641 from Apsley Town in Lingfield church > grounds. > > 4. Tobias in various confirmed records is also shown as Tobie, Tobye, > Thoby > and I have assumed that the marriage would have occurred between 1600 and > 1627 when the first instance of Susan noted as wife of Tobias Johnson was > found. > > 5. I have found three marriages for a Tobias Johnson and was able to > dismiss > others based on occupation and/or date of death. All could be his or one > or > two?? > > A. Tobias Johnson & Ane Thompson 23 Apr 1593 St Dunstan in the East. > Tobias had not finished his apprenticeship and LMA advised marriage was > not usually permitted during an apprenticeship - wife Ann and child > Elizabeth deceased by Apr 1607 > all St Dunstan in the East. > > B. Tobie Johnson & Anne Wood 14 Dec 1607 St James Garlickhithe. > Child Anna & wife Anne deceased by Dec 1608 (St Dunstan in the East) > > C. Tobias Johnson to Elizabeth Downes 8 Aug 1616 St Katherine by the > Tower no known children or death of wife found. > > D. Tobias Johnson to Susan [????????] perhaps in Surrey?? > > 6. Tobias, a Barber Surgeon, was buried on 15 Feb 1633 at St Mary Somerset > and Susan was "relict and executrix". Susan's admon reads " Act of > Administration. JOHNSON, Susan, Widow, Lingfield Surrey to John Johnson > Esq., s. 18 Mar 1641 p.20 (I am assuming that s. is son but she may not > necessarily be his mother??) > > I would appreciate any assistance or advice > > Anne Wiltshire > Runaway Bay QLD Australia > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List I am stuck I cannot find Harriett Evenett at all on Ancestry .co.uk and my subscription expires tonight. The Harriett below is on Find my Past and I am sure is the one , but I need her fathers name if SKS knows her parents I would love to share. Bob name: Harriet Evennett event: Census event date: 1841 gender: Female age: 18 birthplace: Middlesex record type: Household registration district: Shoreditch sub-district: Haggerstone, West civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch county: Middlesex

Hello I am endeavouring to locate the marriage of Tobias Johnson and Susanna (sometime Susan) maiden name unknown and hope you will bear with me in this detailed email. I am hoping that the marriage may be found in Surrey. Facts: 1. Tobias - birth date not known - c.1570-1588 (depending on whether 1593 marriage below is his) to John Johnson Rector of Farndish Bedfordshire. He ws son and heire of John Johnson, Rector of Farndish Bedfordshire. 2. Tobias had a son, and heire, John Johnson - birth not located - mother not known. John married 1632 and bired 1650 and was named in various family wills. 3. Tobias was of "St Mary Somerset" from 1623-1633 but family home was in Lingfield Surrey. He owned considerable properties in Surrey and some in Sussex and London (I.P.M). The family home in Lingfield SRY was known as "Apsley Town". Susan buried 1641 from Apsley Town in Lingfield church grounds. 4. Tobias in various confirmed records is also shown as Tobie, Tobye, Thoby and I have assumed that the marriage would have occurred between 1600 and 1627 when the first instance of Susan noted as wife of Tobias Johnson was found. 5. I have found three marriages for a Tobias Johnson and was able to dismiss others based on occupation and/or date of death. All could be his or one or two?? A. Tobias Johnson & Ane Thompson 23 Apr 1593 St Dunstan in the East. Tobias had not finished his apprenticeship and LMA advised marriage was not usually permitted during an apprenticeship - wife Ann and child Elizabeth deceased by Apr 1607 all St Dunstan in the East. B. Tobie Johnson & Anne Wood 14 Dec 1607 St James Garlickhithe. Child Anna & wife Anne deceased by Dec 1608 (St Dunstan in the East) C. Tobias Johnson to Elizabeth Downes 8 Aug 1616 St Katherine by the Tower no known children or death of wife found. D. Tobias Johnson to Susan [????????] perhaps in Surrey?? 6. Tobias, a Barber Surgeon, was buried on 15 Feb 1633 at St Mary Somerset and Susan was "relict and executrix". Susan's admon reads " Act of Administration. JOHNSON, Susan, Widow, Lingfield Surrey to John Johnson Esq., s. 18 Mar 1641 p.20 (I am assuming that s. is son but she may not necessarily be his mother??) I would appreciate any assistance or advice Anne Wiltshire Runaway Bay QLD Australia

Thank you Judy and Nirvard for your help. As their parent, Elias was also living nearby in Chapel Street (sch 78 number 7?) and his stated occupation is 'Beer Shop Keeper' it is possible that they resided at their fathers premises which could be a public house named the Carpenters Arms. I need to check if a public house of that name existed to whom it was licensed. 'Ownr' looks possible and is likely. Well done! On 8 Oct 2012, at 14:38, "Judy Lester" <jlester@btinternet.com> wrote: > 'Gardeners Arms', I think -- the pub owned by Elias' parent? > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington > > My interpretation would be "son of the Ownr" > > Address is 25 (not 26) Chapel St East and the addition may be a house > name given the quotation marks, "Gardeners is clear enough can't hazard > a guess at the other part > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >

'Gardeners Arms', I think -- the pub owned by Elias' parent? HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington My interpretation would be "son of the Ownr" Address is 25 (not 26) Chapel St East and the addition may be a house name given the quotation marks, "Gardeners is clear enough can't hazard a guess at the other part Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/10/2012 12:09, John Bennett wrote: > This is my first posting to the Surrey list, most of my ancestors > being from Staffordshire where I live. > > My wife's BAKER ancestors stem from one Elias Richard Baker (1810 - > 1868), possibly born in Devon but lived at Stockwell. She is > descended from one of his sons, Frederick Charles. Another of > Elias's sons was the more famous William Yeats Baker of Streatham, > the author Dennis Wheatley's grandfather. The family was generally > working class but WYB got to be a rich man with a substantial art > collection. Dennis Wheatley's autobiography contains a tantalising > reference to WYB showing him an envelope with the crest of the Earl > of Warwick and said they were descended - but I have not been able to > shed any light on this yet!

Hi John ? I would say that Ancestry have it nearer than findmypast actually My interpretation would be "son of the Ownr" Address is 25 (not 26) Chapel St East and the addition may be a house name given the quotation marks, "Gardeners is clear enough can't hazard a guess at the other part Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/10/2012 12:09, John Bennett wrote: > This is my first posting to the Surrey list, most of my ancestors > being from Staffordshire where I live. > > My wife's BAKER ancestors stem from one Elias Richard Baker (1810 - > 1868), possibly born in Devon but lived at Stockwell. She is > descended from one of his sons, Frederick Charles. Another of > Elias's sons was the more famous William Yeats Baker of Streatham, > the author Dennis Wheatley's grandfather. The family was generally > working class but WYB got to be a rich man with a substantial art > collection. Dennis Wheatley's autobiography contains a tantalising > reference to WYB showing him an envelope with the crest of the Earl > of Warwick and said they were descended - but I have not been able to > shed any light on this yet!

This is my first posting to the Surrey list, most of my ancestors being from Staffordshire where I live. My wife's BAKER ancestors stem from one Elias Richard Baker (1810 - 1868), possibly born in Devon but lived at Stockwell. She is descended from one of his sons, Frederick Charles. Another of Elias's sons was the more famous William Yeats Baker of Streatham, the author Dennis Wheatley's grandfather. The family was generally working class but WYB got to be a rich man with a substantial art collection. Dennis Wheatley's autobiography contains a tantalising reference to WYB showing him an envelope with the crest of the Earl of Warwick and said they were descended - but I have not been able to shed any light on this yet! I would be glad to make contact or get information about Elias and his BAKER descendants but have a specific request for help in interpreting an 1861 census document from this with access to it. RG9/361 piece 361 folio 128 page 15 is for St Mark's, Kennington and I think, Chapel Street, East. House number 26 has two of Elias sons: Edward and Joseph living there together. But what does it say under 'relationship to head of household' and what is directly under the house address ? It looks to me like "Gardeners ???" and "son of the ???". 'Ancestry.com. has a gibberish translation and the clearer 'Find my Past' copy has "son of lodger" but I can't make it read this - I have asked FMP to have another look. My wife suggested "son of the owner" which might be logical but I can't make it read that either. Both of the quoted queries are not, in my experience usual census entries. Members local knowledge might help with interpretation for which I would very grateful.

I would really like to be able to trace the family and ancestors of my 2 x Gr,Grandmother, Elizabeth WATTS who was born in Egham, Surrey. The information I do have on her to date is that she married a Thomas CADMAN in 1826 and I have followed her through the various census until her death. However, I have not been able to find her family prior to her marriage. I do know that she had a sister Lydia and have followed her through the census until her death also - Lydia never married. In one of the census for Lydia I found that she was listed as a niece to Martha and George BERRYMAN. By checking on the marriage of this couple I found that Martha was a Martha WATTS prior to her marriage. The census shows her as being born in Epsom in Surrey abt 1791. I have tried using naming patters to search for other family members but to date have had no luck and so am hoping to enlist members of this list to'point me in the right direction' so to speak as I feel that I have hit a brick wall with this one; I would be most grateful to anyone who is able to assist me. Kindest regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia