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Hi again I looked at the archives and found a previous post of yours which, for reasons unknown I have never received, I wonder if others did? (and hence why no replies?) Elizabeth WATTS married Thomas CADMAN in *1828* 7th Sept at All Souls Langham Westminster Both were single, both of that Parish Both signed as did their witnesses Ann LUK? and Edward BAMWELL? Later census state she was born in Egham Surrey (Richmond in 1851 however the enumerator has Thomas birthplace differently to the 1861 as well) The Martha who married George BERRYMAN in 1822 was born 1791 according to the census, I would say both she and Lydia's birthplaces are Egham rather than Epsom (just the way the enumerator wrote his g's) Did you notice on the page after the 1861 entry is another niece Elizabeth B??WELL (see Edward above perhaps) In 1851 Martha BERRYMANs birthplace is enumerated as Englefield Green Surrey which may be interesting to follow up, that is very close to Egham I have found the BERRYMAN family in 1841 & 1851 and entered corrections which will show in searches in a couple of weeks, if you want the pages let me know Unfortunately I still can't find baptisms for either Martha WATTS circa 1791 or Elizabeth WATTS circa 1807 I did find St John the Baptist Egham 1807 Born 26th July Baptised 6th Sept Lydia daughter of William and the late Phebe WATTS St John the Baptist Egham 1805 Born May 28th Baptised 7th July Thomas son of William and Phobe WATTS I will send this and continue looking Perhaps other might find something Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I would really like to be able to trace the family and ancestors of > my 2 x Gr,Grandmother, Elizabeth WATTS who was born in Egham, > Surrey. The information I do have on her to date is that she married > a Thomas CADMAN in 1826 and I have followed her through the various > census until her death. However, I have not been able to find her > family prior to her marriage. I do know that she had a sister Lydia > and have followed her through the census until her death also - Lydia > never married. In one of the census for Lydia I found that she was > listed as a niece to Martha and George BERRYMAN. By checking on the > marriage of this couple I found that Martha was a Martha WATTS prior > to her marriage. The census shows her as being born in Epsom in > Surrey abt 1791. I have tried using naming patters to search for > other family members but to date have had no luck and so am hoping to > enlist members of this list to'point me in the right direction' so to > speak as I feel that I have hit a brick wall with this one; I would > be most grateful to anyone who is able to assist me. Kindest regards, > Kerry from Queensland, Australia >

Hi Charani..Thanks for taking over ... Mary

Dear Kerry. "I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in Richmond or somewhere else?" If you look on the web site of West Surrey FHS you will be able to print off a copy of the Surrey map showing the different parishes in Surrey. www.wsfhs.org Both Egham & Epsom are in quite different areas in Surrey. All depending on what time span you are looking at you may need to purchase certificates of birth first. Both Egham & Epsom have their own churches, so baptisms could have taken place in those parishes. Best of luck with your research. Joyce

I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a little confused when researching this area. I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually walk the areas that I have in family tree files. I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in Richmond or somewhere else? Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia

Hi Kerry Not sure why you have picked Richmond unless you have found a baptism there and hope it fits in? Egham is about 13 or 14 miles distant from Richmond so not a normal place for an Egham family to have their child baptized However people can baptize children where they they wish to and sometimes a child might be born in other than the home Parish, the first child is often born and sometimes baptized in the mothers home Parish but sometimes a family just like a particular Parish and travel miles to baptize their children there, but thats not the norm More often than not baptisms were held at the nearest Parish Church, in this case Egham itself Egham is near Staines, you can very often answer geographic questions by entering the place name in google followed by the word Genuki In this case :- http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/SRY/Egham/EghamHistory.html Similarly for registration districts, enter the place name in google followed by the words registration district which finds http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/windsor.html (you will notice that although in Surrey it is under the registration district of Windsor in Berkshire from 1837 to 1934) Google maps are also very useful for checking the location of a place Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/10/2012 01:12, kab635@tadaust.org.au wrote: > I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a little confused when researching this area. > I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually walk the areas that I have in family tree files. > I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in Richmond or somewhere else? > Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. > Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia

Hello, Kerry, and welcome. If a person was born in Egham between 1 July 1837 and 1 April 1934 the birth would have been *registered* in Windsor registration district (Surrey North Western after the latter date). Baptism is another matter altogether. If it took place at all (and not all families chose to have their children baptised), the most likely venue would have been the parish church of St John the Baptist in Egham, but family connections to other places and/or personal preference might have led to the baptism being anywhere. Richmond is some distance away, so there would have had to have been a compelling reason to take a child there for baptism. Why not post some more details to help us help you further? Best wishes Caroline > > I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a > little confused when researching this area. > I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of > making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually > walk the areas that I have in family tree files. > I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of > SURREY as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person > was born in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been > baptized in Richmond or somewhere else? > Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little > confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. > Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia .

Dear Kerry The situation in Surrey is, I'm afraid horribly complicated. Richmond and Egham are two quite widely separated areas, and it is unlikely that someone born in one would be baptised in the other. Egham has always been in the administrative county of Surrey, but for some registration purposes it was linked with parishes in the county of Berkshire (to which it is next). Richmond was in the administrative county of Surrey until 1965 when with a number of other places it formed the London Borough of Richmond which was incorporated into "Greater London". I would advise you to look at a map of Surrey to see the various links between these places, there are dozens freely available on the Internet. Also if you look at the West Surrey FHS's website you will see they have umpteen inexpensive publications which attempt to deal with the hows and wherefores of Surrey research in great detail. Regards Cliff Webb

Welcome as Admin! Your name and contributions are well known... thank you for taking over the list. Best regards to Ann with her endeavours. Kess -----Original Message----- From: Charani Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 11:22 PM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: [SRY] Taking the reins My thanks to Ann for her care of the list in the past and also for handing the Admin reins over to me. Some of you already know me; for some of you, I'm an unknown quantity. For those who don't already know: I'm a Londoner and I've been researching for nearly half a century (and that's a scary thought!). I have family connections in almost every county in England plus some in Wales, Scotland, Ireland, several European countries as well as North and South America and Australasia. At last count there were 10 different religions, faiths and denominations within the family. I admin a number of county, area and surname lists. I don't bite, at least not often :)) Inevitably there will be some changes but I think they will be relatively minor. Ann and I run our lists in a similar fashion. There are two Rootsweb rules I enforce: The first is no HTML/RTF. Apart from enlarging messages considerably and being used to pass viruses, not everyone has broadband. Large messages can be costly to download for anyone uses a dial-up or mobile connection. The other one is no requests for or about living or potentially living people, please. Not everyone shares our love of genealogy and family history. The best way to find out more is to not upset newly found cousins. Please keep requests and queries pre-WWI. The only other rules are stay on topic please and no crossposting. The latter is when one mail is sent to a number of lists and/or private addresses. Not everyone will be on the same lists as the sender and some recipients may not be on any lists. If it's necessary to send the same message to other lists, copy and paste of the body of the mail into a fresh one. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

thanks Ann and welcome Charani! > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:22:54 +0100 > From: charani.b@gmail.com > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SRY] Taking the reins > > My thanks to Ann for her care of the list in the past and also for > handing the Admin reins over to me.

Thanks Ann from another South Australian - my admiration for list administrators is endless. I wish you well in your next ventures. Warmest regards Bev from Strathalbyn South Australia Various commitments make it increasingly difficult for me to find enough time to administer all my online forums. I am sad to relinquish these forums some of which, including this one, I've looked after for about 10 years having made lots of good friends and acquaintances over that long period. . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5330 - Release Date: 10/13/12

Hi Ann Havent been around much myself due to work committments but we shall miss you terribly. Everyone has just about said it all........ But for one thing. May the fairies always have your back.... Huge hug girl Pam from Adelaide South Australia Various commitments make it increasingly difficult for me to find enough time to administer all my online forums. I am sad to relinquish these forums some of which, including this one, I've looked after for about 10 years having made lots of good friends and acquaintances over that long period.

Veronica I Barr wrote: > What does it mean when you say "the List will be handed back to Rootsweb"? Rootsweb will take charge of the list until such time as an admin is found to take over. > Does it mean it will cease to exist, or messages will not be monitored? Rootsweb never removes lists. There are hundreds of lists, mainly surname ones, that have gone to join our ancestors but are still there if ever anyone wants to subscribe and post to them. Not all of them have an admin. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Veronica Lists rarely cease to exist, particularly County lists, if no one had stepped forward to admin the list it would be handed back to rootsweb, in other words it would have no admin until someone adopted it But as it is Charani has taken it over, together with the Middlesex list Lists are not normally monitored anyway, only when listers are being naughty <g> So things will continue as normal Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/10/2012 17:50, Veronica I Barr wrote: > What does it mean when you say "the List will be handed back to Rootsweb"? > Does it mean it will cease to exist, or messages will not be monitored? > > Thank you for your work over the years. > > Regards, > Veronica

Hello Brad, Thanks for the explanation, I have never seen a smiling face or any email tarted up, I don't think Rootsweb would let that sort of message to get through their security system. >Rootsweb routinely strip such stuff, but it's as well to know that > trying to use either is a waste of time and energy. Yes I agree with you on this. I am not a boffin on the computer, just emails and Microsoft word, there are many researchers like me, so please give an explanation if you use abbreviations, so we don't have to ask what they mean. Many thanks. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk n in Original Message ----- From: "Brad Rogers" <brad@fineby.me.uk> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] Taking the reins > On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:52:01 +0100 > "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: > > Hello Barbara, > >> >The first is no HTML/RTF what does this mean, I am sure many of us >>would like to know, it is not an abbreviation that I have come >>across >>and I am not a newbie. > > HTML; HyperText Markup Language - Designed for web page markup, but > used > by most email packages to "pretty up" the content. > > RTF; Rich Text Format - Used by some word processors to save styles, > etc. > > RootsWeb routinely strip such stuff, but it's as well to know that > trying to use either is a waste of time and energy. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > People stare like they've seen a ghost > Titanic (My Over) Reaction - 999

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:52:01 +0100 "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> wrote: Hello Barbara, > >The first is no HTML/RTF what does this mean, I am sure many of us >would like to know, it is not an abbreviation that I have come across >and I am not a newbie. HTML; HyperText Markup Language - Designed for web page markup, but used by most email packages to "pretty up" the content. RTF; Rich Text Format - Used by some word processors to save styles, etc. RootsWeb routinely strip such stuff, but it's as well to know that trying to use either is a waste of time and energy. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" People stare like they've seen a ghost Titanic (My Over) Reaction - 999

Hello Charani, Welcome to the Surrey Rootsweb, you are the third List Admin that I have researched with on the Surrey Rootsweb, Steve JONES was the first. Your abbreviation:- >The first is no HTML/RTF what does this mean, I am sure many of us would like to know, it is not an abbreviation that I have come across and I am not a newbie. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk Admin Blind Genealogists Rootsweb Admin Kingsclere Rootsweb Admin Waverley District Rootsweb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:22 PM Subject: [SRY] Taking the reins > My thanks to Ann for her care of the list in the past and also for > handing the Admin reins over to me. > > Some of you already know me; for some of you, I'm an unknown > quantity. > For those who don't already know: I'm a Londoner and I've been > researching for nearly half a century (and that's a scary thought!). > I have family connections in almost every county in England plus > some > in Wales, Scotland, Ireland, several European countries as well as > North and South America and Australasia. At last count there were > 10 > different religions, faiths and denominations within the family. I > admin a number of county, area and surname lists. I don't bite, at > least not often :)) > > Inevitably there will be some changes but I think they will be > relatively minor. Ann and I run our lists in a similar fashion. > > There are two Rootsweb rules I enforce: The first is no HTML/RTF. > Apart from enlarging messages considerably and being used to pass > viruses, not everyone has broadband. Large messages can be costly > to > download for anyone uses a dial-up or mobile connection. > > The other one is no requests for or about living or potentially > living > people, please. Not everyone shares our love of genealogy and > family > history. The best way to find out more is to not upset newly found > cousins. Please keep requests and queries pre-WWI. > > The only other rules are stay on topic please and no crossposting. > The latter is when one mail is sent to a number of lists and/or > private addresses. Not everyone will be on the same lists as the > sender and some recipients may not be on any lists. If it's > necessary > to send the same message to other lists, copy and paste of the body > of > the mail into a fresh one. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk

My thanks to Ann for her care of the list in the past and also for handing the Admin reins over to me. Some of you already know me; for some of you, I'm an unknown quantity. For those who don't already know: I'm a Londoner and I've been researching for nearly half a century (and that's a scary thought!). I have family connections in almost every county in England plus some in Wales, Scotland, Ireland, several European countries as well as North and South America and Australasia. At last count there were 10 different religions, faiths and denominations within the family. I admin a number of county, area and surname lists. I don't bite, at least not often :)) Inevitably there will be some changes but I think they will be relatively minor. Ann and I run our lists in a similar fashion. There are two Rootsweb rules I enforce: The first is no HTML/RTF. Apart from enlarging messages considerably and being used to pass viruses, not everyone has broadband. Large messages can be costly to download for anyone uses a dial-up or mobile connection. The other one is no requests for or about living or potentially living people, please. Not everyone shares our love of genealogy and family history. The best way to find out more is to not upset newly found cousins. Please keep requests and queries pre-WWI. The only other rules are stay on topic please and no crossposting. The latter is when one mail is sent to a number of lists and/or private addresses. Not everyone will be on the same lists as the sender and some recipients may not be on any lists. If it's necessary to send the same message to other lists, copy and paste of the body of the mail into a fresh one. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I agree with everything that has been said about Ann. So sorry to lose you, Ann. My best wishes. Daphne Harvey, from Bournemouth

Hi Jean there were Stevens in my street ( Lancing Road formally Dryden Road ) in Croydon. I believe they were related to the Lyons family. I think one name was Shelia if you think there might be a connection I will email my Cousin Linda as she married a Kenneth Lyons and knew a lot of people from that end of the street. Colin -----Original Message----- From: Jean Wilson Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:01 PM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] ADMIN: Farewell to the List Dear Ann Thank you so much for all your hard work we will all miss you so much I do hope that this list will not close down good luck with what you do all the very best from Jean Wilson looking for STEVENS in Croydon Surrey UK