I'm not sure, Nivard. I did a google search on the surname and found them at one site, with the workhouse info that you mention. I couldn't determine their sources, either. That's a bad habit that I had to break later (rather than earlier) on, that of not recording my sources. I'm afraid I still have too many cut-and-pastes in my notes...As a friend said, "Genealogy without documentation is mythology". But sometimes we take what we can get. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: eng-surrey <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 4:02 am Subject: Re: [SRY] Lambeth Workhouse records circa 1780 - 1800 Hi Nancy Yes if the story is true there could be a Catholic link however why did they have their last child baptised in 1791 at St Marys Lambeth yet there is no sign of the name for the parents or the other children St Mary at Lambeth 7th September 1791 Mary Ann Daughter of Anthony Formigini and Sarah I have so far found no evidence for anything but the above baptism and the lady the researcher suggests she is later marries as FERMAN (or very similar) in Derbyshire There may be some truth in the story but have not found it as yet Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Nancy Yes if the story is true there could be a Catholic link however why did they have their last child baptised in 1791 at St Marys Lambeth yet there is no sign of the name for the parents or the other children St Mary at Lambeth 7th September 1791 Mary Ann Daughter of Anthony Formigini and Sarah I have so far found no evidence for anything but the above baptism and the lady the researcher suggests she is later marries as FERMAN (or very similar) in Derbyshire There may be some truth in the story but have not found it as yet Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/10/2012 01:15, or wrote: > Hi. My gggrandmother seems to have had a child in Lambeth Workhouse, > and I remember there were two mentions of the baby being baptized, > one in the workhouse and the second in the local parish. Since the > family appears to have an Italian last name, perhaps they could be > found in the Roman Catholic records? Seems they been in the UK long > enough to have Anglicized the kids first names, or perhaps the mother > was British? > > > Nancy

Hi Judy Thanks for that, at least I am not going around the twist Like you I would have expected the baptisms at least to be recorded I would have expected to find some trace of them but have failed so far I will have to contact the person with the information in their tree to see how they came by it Thanks again Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/10/2012 00:18, Judy Lester wrote: > Hi Nivard, > > Admission and discharge registers for the Lambeth workhouse for the > pre-1834 period are at LMA, catalogued with the parish records for St > Mary Lambeth (P85/MRY1). They aren't online yet. Ancestry's records are > mostly later, and relate to the poor law unions that were established > after 1834. Baptisms in the Lambeth workhouse at these earlier dates > should have been recorded in the Lambeth parish register. > > HTH (though I'm afraid it doesn't much) > > Judy > London, UK

Hi Nivard, Admission and discharge registers for the Lambeth workhouse for the pre-1834 period are at LMA, catalogued with the parish records for St Mary Lambeth (P85/MRY1). They aren't online yet. Ancestry's records are mostly later, and relate to the poor law unions that were established after 1834. Baptisms in the Lambeth workhouse at these earlier dates should have been recorded in the Lambeth parish register. HTH (though I'm afraid it doesn't much) Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Hi all Memory fails me Are the workhouse records for Lambeth Workhouse anywhere online I seem to recall the National Archives having some poor law and workhouse records but since they have made their site *easier* I can't find a thing on there (if their aim was to cut traffic down on their site its working as I find its pointless going there these days) I have checked Ancestry and just wondered if anyone knew of any anywhere I am seeking births/baptisms and burials for Anthony & Sarah FORMIGINI whose children were John Formigini 1784 - Joseph Formigini 1785 - 1799 Elizabeth Formigini 1788 - 1799 Mary Ann Fleming 1791 - 1860 The only one I can find is the Mary Ann who was baptised at St Mary Lambeth in 1791, no sign of the others I am informed that they were born and died in the Lambeth Workhouse (bar Mary) -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi all Memory fails me Are the workhouse records for Lambeth Workhouse anywhere online I seem to recall the National Archives having some poor law and workhouse records but since they have made their site *easier* I can't find a thing on there (if their aim was to cut traffic down on their site its working as I find its pointless going there these days) I have checked Ancestry and just wondered if anyone knew of any anywhere I am seeking births/baptisms and burials for Anthony & Sarah FORMIGINI whose children were John Formigini 1784 – Joseph Formigini 1785 – 1799 Elizabeth Formigini 1788 – 1799 Mary Ann Fleming 1791 – 1860 The only one I can find is the Mary Ann who was baptised at St Mary Lambeth in 1791, no sign of the others I am informed that they were born and died in the Lambeth Workhouse (bar Mary) -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi. My gggrandmother seems to have had a child in Lambeth Workhouse, and I remember there were two mentions of the baby being baptized, one in the workhouse and the second in the local parish. Since the family appears to have an Italian last name, perhaps they could be found in the Roman Catholic records? Seems they been in the UK long enough to have Anglicized the kids first names, or perhaps the mother was British? Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: eng-surrey <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 5:26 pm Subject: [SRY] Lambeth Workhouse records circa 1780 - 1800 Hi all Memory fails me Are the workhouse records for Lambeth Workhouse anywhere online I seem to recall the National Archives having some poor law and workhouse records but since they have made their site *easier* I can't find a thing on there (if their aim was to cut traffic down on their site its working as I find its pointless going there these days) I have checked Ancestry and just wondered if anyone knew of any anywhere I am seeking births/baptisms and burials for Anthony & Sarah FORMIGINI whose children were John Formigini 1784 – Joseph Formigini 1785 – 1799 Elizabeth Formigini 1788 – 1799 Mary Ann Fleming 1791 – 1860 The only one I can find is the Mary Ann who was baptised at St Mary Lambeth in 1791, no sign of the others I am informed that they were born and died in the Lambeth Workhouse (bar Mary) -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Why not come along to the Heritage Showcase in Warlingham on Sunday 21 October from 14.00 to 17.00? At this free event, join Surrey Heritage and local history groups for an afternoon of talks, exhibitions and drop-in 'Ask the Expert' sessions. Refreshments will be available and there's free parking near the venue. Warlingham Church Hall, 399 Limpsfield Road, Warlingham, Surrey CR6 9HA Talks include: * A short introduction to Warlingham's Historic Buildings by Martin Higgins, Surrey's Historic Buildings Officer * Who do you think they were? Ideas and sources for researching your family history - Julian Pooley, Public Services Manager * Excavating Surrey's Past: Surrey Heritage Archaeological Officer Displays include: * Warlingham Gems (illustrations from Surrey Heritage Collections) * North Park Farm (excavation by Surrey Heritage) * Royal Surrey (exhibition by Surrey Heritage) Drop-in sessions include: * Corsets & Cameras: Historic costume and dating your old photographs - Jane Lewis, Genealogist * Exploring Surrey's Past - discover the gateway to the Caterham and District Local History Centre image collection and much more - Phil Cooper, ESP Officer * Discovering your Family History: advice and sources for genealogical research - Jill Hyams, Archivist * Caterham Festival archaeology week: Find out about this exciting event and try your hand at excavation - Abby Guinness, Community Archaeology Officer * What did you find? Is it archaeology? - David Williams, Finds Liaison Officer * Caring for your photographs and documents - Jeff Dowse, Conservator Other organisations represented at the event include: The Bourne Society East Surrey Family History Society Jill Hyams On behalf of Surrey Heritage

I noticed in my research for a Lydia WATTS that I followed through the various census that by the time of the 1871 census she was living in Stewarts Almshouses and having found a link to them on the Internet, I have sent an email off to them just on the off chance that they may still have records. I know it is a long shot, but as they say "nothing ventured, nothing gained" and it is always worth exploring every avenue available to us as family researchers. Thank you once again to all those who continue to pass on helpful advice as it becomes available. Kerry from Queensland, Australia

I am unfamiliar with this geographical area of Chertsey , Egham. However, some years ago, pre Internet research, I read a number of films relating to the Parishes surrounding Chertsey, and noting the MOORCOCK families. I recall reading an infant , born in Chertsey , the Baptism taking place in Egham because the Church in Chertsey was being rebuilt . It may have been in the early 1850's . Perhaps someone with local knowledge can comment on this. I can take time later in the day, to check my paper files , ( yes, I still hoard some of them ), I know I noted that fact at the time. However, I will be away from home to attend a Funeral, so it will be some hours before I am able to check this. Mary New Zealand -----Original Message----- Subject: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a little confused when researching this area. I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually walk the areas that I have in family tree files. I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in Richmond or somewhere else? Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia . __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7588 (20121015) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

What a wonderful list! Many thanks to all the people who were able to assist me in one way or another in my research of the above name. Every little bit of information helps me to hopefully find the right names. Yes, Nivard, I did notice the other info about the name under Lydia WATTS in the census. Will have to pursue this line more. Everyone has given me so many useful links to follow and I am most grateful. Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <eng-surrey-request@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: ENG-SURREY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 159 > > > If you'd like your Digest format changed, please don't hesitate to contact > me, Ann, at the Surrey List Admin address: > Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > > To send a reply, or a new message to the List send it to > Eng-Surrey@rootsweb.com > > When replying to an earlier message please change the Subject line to > reflect the content, and trim away unnecessary parts of earlier postings. > Always use Plain Text for List Messages - if unsure contact List Admin for > help. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey (Nivard Ovington) > 2. Re: Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > (Caroline Bradford) > 3. Births in Egham and Richmond (Cliff Webb) > 4. Re: Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey (Pam Hillier) > 5. Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey (joyce sampson) > 6. Re: Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey (Nivard Ovington) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:55:45 +0100 > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <507BCF91.7020807@sky.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Hi Kerry > > Not sure why you have picked Richmond unless you have found a baptism > there and hope it fits in? > > Egham is about 13 or 14 miles distant from Richmond so not a normal > place for an Egham family to have their child baptized > > However people can baptize children where they they wish to and > sometimes a child might be born in other than the home Parish, the first > child is often born and sometimes baptized in the mothers home Parish > but sometimes a family just like a particular Parish and travel miles to > baptize their children there, but thats not the norm > > More often than not baptisms were held at the nearest Parish Church, in > this case Egham itself > > Egham is near Staines, you can very often answer geographic questions by > entering the place name in google followed by the word Genuki > > In this case :- > > http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/SRY/Egham/EghamHistory.html > > Similarly for registration districts, enter the place name in google > followed by the words registration district which finds > > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/windsor.html > > (you will notice that although in Surrey it is under the registration > district of Windsor in Berkshire from 1837 to 1934) > > Google maps are also very useful for checking the location of a place > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 15/10/2012 01:12, kab635@tadaust.org.au wrote: >> I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a >> little confused when researching this area. >> I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of >> making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually walk >> the areas that I have in family tree files. >> I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY >> as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born >> in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in >> Richmond or somewhere else? >> Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little >> confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. >> Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:44:24 +0100 > From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000101cdaab1$4768db80$d63a9280$@bradford@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, Kerry, and welcome. > > If a person was born in Egham between 1 July 1837 and 1 April 1934 the > birth > would have been *registered* in Windsor registration district (Surrey > North > Western after the latter date). > > Baptism is another matter altogether. If it took place at all (and not > all > families chose to have their children baptised), the most likely venue > would > have been the parish church of St John the Baptist in Egham, but family > connections to other places and/or personal preference might have led to > the > baptism being anywhere. Richmond is some distance away, so there would > have > had to have been a compelling reason to take a child there for baptism. > > Why not post some more details to help us help you further? > > Best wishes > > Caroline >> >> I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a >> little confused when researching this area. >> I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of >> making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually >> walk the areas that I have in family tree files. >> I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of >> SURREY as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person >> was born in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been >> baptized in Richmond or somewhere else? >> Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little >> confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. >> Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia . > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:22:11 +0100 (BST) > From: Cliff Webb <cliffwebbhistorian@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [SRY] Births in Egham and Richmond > To: "eng-surrey@rootsweb.com" <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1350289331.54588.YahooMailNeo@web172202.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dear Kerry > The situation in Surrey is, I'm afraid horribly complicated. Richmond and > Egham are two quite widely separated areas, and it is unlikely that > someone born in one would be baptised in the other. Egham has always been > in the administrative county of Surrey, but for some registration purposes > it was linked with parishes in the county of Berkshire (to which it is > next). Richmond was in the administrative county of Surrey until 1965 when > with a number of other places it formed the London Borough of Richmond > which was incorporated into "Greater London". > I would advise you to look at a map of Surrey to see the various links > between these places, there are dozens freely available on the Internet. > Also if you look at the West Surrey FHS's website you will see they have > umpteen inexpensive publications which attempt to deal with the hows and > wherefores of Surrey research in great detail. > Regards > Cliff Webb > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:02:03 +1030 > From: "Pam Hillier" <pamhillier24@virginbroadband.com.au> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <9B2B3F05EBE0445DA77EC1B09B814AA1@pam41a8be81bf4> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Kerry > Have Egham Family myself........More likely St John the Baptist Egham > which > is the main church and dates back generations..... > but don't discount nearby places such as Chertsey, Englefield green & > virginia waters........some of my Egham lot escaped to there. Also Egham > is > not far from the Berkshire border and some of mine married or originated > from there..... > https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=347572&subject_disp=England%2C+Surrey%2C+Egham+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 > please contact me off list if you need to. > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > > >>I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a >>little confused when researching this area. >> I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of >> making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually walk >> the areas that I have in family tree files. >> I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY >> as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born >> in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in >> Richmond or somewhere else? >> Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little >> confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. >> Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:13:25 +0100 > From: joyce sampson <sampson733@gmail.com> > Subject: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > To: Eng-Surrey@rootsweb.com > Cc: kab635@tadaust.org.au > Message-ID: > <CAMbwSQ5ftfEo8PevyOjFAnvUCHX7_w313i4gzCw=z8HYYM=6Xg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dear Kerry. > > "I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY > as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born > in > Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in > Richmond or somewhere else?" > > If you look on the web site of West Surrey FHS you will be able to print > off a copy of the Surrey map showing the different parishes in Surrey. > www.wsfhs.org > Both Egham & Epsom are in quite different areas in Surrey. All depending > on what time span you are looking at you may need to purchase certificates > of birth first. Both Egham & Epsom have their own churches, so baptisms > could have taken place in those parishes. > Best of luck with your research. > Joyce > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:52:04 +0100 > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Subject: Re: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <507BEAD4.8040506@sky.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi again > > I looked at the archives and found a previous post of yours which, for > reasons unknown I have never received, I wonder if others did? > (and hence why no replies?) > > Elizabeth WATTS married Thomas CADMAN in *1828* 7th Sept at All Souls > Langham Westminster > > Both were single, both of that Parish > > Both signed as did their witnesses Ann LUK? and Edward BAMWELL? > > Later census state she was born in Egham Surrey > (Richmond in 1851 however the enumerator has Thomas birthplace > differently to the 1861 as well) > > The Martha who married George BERRYMAN in 1822 was born 1791 according > to the census, I would say both she and Lydia's birthplaces are Egham > rather than Epsom (just the way the enumerator wrote his g's) > Did you notice on the page after the 1861 entry is another niece > Elizabeth B??WELL (see Edward above perhaps) > > In 1851 Martha BERRYMANs birthplace is enumerated as Englefield Green > Surrey which may be interesting to follow up, that is very close to Egham > > I have found the BERRYMAN family in 1841 & 1851 and entered corrections > which will show in searches in a couple of weeks, if you want the pages > let me know > > Unfortunately I still can't find baptisms for either Martha WATTS circa > 1791 or Elizabeth WATTS circa 1807 > > I did find > > St John the Baptist Egham 1807 > Born 26th July > Baptised 6th Sept > Lydia daughter of William and the late Phebe WATTS > > St John the Baptist Egham 1805 > Born May 28th > Baptised 7th July > Thomas son of William and Phobe WATTS > > I will send this and continue looking > > Perhaps other might find something > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> I would really like to be able to trace the family and ancestors of >> my 2 x Gr,Grandmother, Elizabeth WATTS who was born in Egham, >> Surrey. The information I do have on her to date is that she married >> a Thomas CADMAN in 1826 and I have followed her through the various >> census until her death. However, I have not been able to find her >> family prior to her marriage. I do know that she had a sister Lydia >> and have followed her through the census until her death also - Lydia >> never married. In one of the census for Lydia I found that she was >> listed as a niece to Martha and George BERRYMAN. By checking on the >> marriage of this couple I found that Martha was a Martha WATTS prior >> to her marriage. The census shows her as being born in Epsom in >> Surrey abt 1791. I have tried using naming patters to search for >> other family members but to date have had no luck and so am hoping to >> enlist members of this list to'point me in the right direction' so to >> speak as I feel that I have hit a brick wall with this one; I would >> be most grateful to anyone who is able to assist me. Kindest regards, >> Kerry from Queensland, Australia >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-SURREY list administrator, send an email to > ENG-SURREY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-SURREY mailing list, send an email to > ENG-SURREY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-SURREY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 159 > ****************************************** >

Hi Kerry Seeing your further posts reminded me that my earlier response seems to have been lost in the ether so I'll try again, repeating my earlier message: The Egham parish registers show an Elizabeth Watts baptised on 23 Nov 1806 (born 31 Oct), the daughter of Thomas Moreton and Charlotte. I presume from this that Elizabeth was illegitimate but the father admitted his responsibility. I also found Lydia Watts baptised in Egham on 6 Sep 1807 (born 25 Jul), daughter William and the late Phoebe [there was a burial for a Phoebe Watts on 22 Aug 1807] It seems that William and Phoebe had had several children, one of whom was Charlotte, baptised on 30 Sep 1787 (born 2 Sep). I did wonder whether Elizabeth was thus Lydia's niece rather than sister but perhaps had been later shown as a daughter of William an Phoebe to avoid the embarrassment which such things brought about in those days. Regards John

St Peters church, Chertsey was almost completely rebuilt in the 1860's.   Paul Eggleton ________________________________ From: Mary Legarth <legarthm@levin.pl.net> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:14 PM Subject: [SRY] Egham, & Chertsey , Surrey I am unfamiliar with this geographical area of Chertsey , Egham. However, some years ago, pre Internet research, I read a number of  films relating to the Parishes surrounding Chertsey, and noting the MOORCOCK families. I recall reading  an infant , born in Chertsey , the Baptism taking place in Egham because the Church in Chertsey was being rebuilt . It may have been in the early 1850's . Perhaps someone with local knowledge can comment on this. I can take time later in the day, to check my paper files , ( yes, I still hoard some of them ), I know I noted that fact at the time. However, I will be away from home to attend a Funeral, so it will be some hours before I am able to check this. Mary New Zealand -----Original Message----- Subject: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a little confused when researching this area. I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually walk the areas that I have in family tree files. I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in Richmond or somewhere else? Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia . __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7588 (20121015) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com .   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Mary Looking at Surrey by J Charles Cox, Methuen 1903, reprinted 1921, he says that the church was rebuilt in 1808, and the fabric underwent restorations in 1839, 1878 and 1892. The West Surrey FHS transcript of baptisms seems to run straight through the two earlier dates. The latter two dates being after 1840 are not covered. Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Legarth" <legarthm@levin.pl.net> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 10:14 PM Subject: [SRY] Egham, & Chertsey , Surrey >I am unfamiliar with this geographical area of Chertsey , Egham. > However, some years ago, pre Internet research, I read a number of films > relating to the Parishes surrounding Chertsey, and noting the MOORCOCK > families. > I recall reading an infant , born in Chertsey , the Baptism taking place > in Egham because the Church in Chertsey was being rebuilt . It may have > been > in the early 1850's . > Perhaps someone with local knowledge can comment on this. > > I can take time later in the day, to check my paper files , ( yes, I still > hoard some of them ), I know I noted that fact at the time. However, I > will > be away from home to attend a Funeral, so it will be some hours before I > am > able to check this. > > Mary > New Zealand > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey > > I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a > little confused when researching this area. > I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of > making > a trip to England to do some research in person and actually walk the > areas > that I have in family tree files. > I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY > as > far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born in > Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in > Richmond > or somewhere else? > Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little > confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. > Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia . > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 7588 (20121015) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > >

Hi Kerry Have Egham Family myself........More likely St John the Baptist Egham which is the main church and dates back generations..... but don't discount nearby places such as Chertsey, Englefield green & virginia waters........some of my Egham lot escaped to there. Also Egham is not far from the Berkshire border and some of mine married or originated from there..... https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=347572&subject_disp=England%2C+Surrey%2C+Egham+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 please contact me off list if you need to. Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia >I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a >little confused when researching this area. > I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of > making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually walk > the areas that I have in family tree files. > I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY > as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born > in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in > Richmond or somewhere else? > Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little > confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. > Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia

I have seen you and your welcome advice on other lists.....welcome aboard Charani. We are very lucky to have someone take over from Ann so quickly. Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > My thanks to Ann for her care of the list in the past and also for > handing the Admin reins over to me. > > Some of you already know me; for some of you, I'm an unknown quantity. > For those who don't already know: I'm a Londoner and I've been > researching for nearly half a century (and that's a scary thought!). > I have family connections in almost every county in England plus some > in Wales, Scotland, Ireland, several European countries as well as > North and South America and Australasia. At last count there were 10 > different religions, faiths and denominations within the family. I > admin a number of county, area and surname lists. I don't bite, at

Hi Charani Thank you for answering my questions. Regards, Veronica -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: Sunday, 14 October, 2012 10:37 AM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] ADMIN: Farewell to the List Veronica I Barr wrote: > What does it mean when you say "the List will be handed back to Rootsweb"? Rootsweb will take charge of the list until such time as an admin is found to take over. > Does it mean it will cease to exist, or messages will not be monitored? Rootsweb never removes lists. There are hundreds of lists, mainly surname ones, that have gone to join our ancestors but are still there if ever anyone wants to subscribe and post to them. Not all of them have an admin. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5834 - Release Date: 10/15/12

Hi Nivard Thank you for answering my question. I didn't think the List would cease to exist - phew! Regards, Veronica -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Sunday, 14 October, 2012 10:33 AM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] ADMIN: Farewell to the List Hi Veronica Lists rarely cease to exist, particularly County lists, if no one had stepped forward to admin the list it would be handed back to rootsweb, in other words it would have no admin until someone adopted it But as it is Charani has taken it over, together with the Middlesex list Lists are not normally monitored anyway, only when listers are being naughty <g> So things will continue as normal Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/10/2012 17:50, Veronica I Barr wrote: > What does it mean when you say "the List will be handed back to Rootsweb"? > Does it mean it will cease to exist, or messages will not be monitored? > > Thank you for your work over the years. > > Regards, > Veronica . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5834 - Release Date: 10/15/12

Ann you did a great job over the years, :'( I hope that Charani has a great time helping us:-)

Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi again > > I looked at the archives and found a previous post of yours which, for > reasons unknown I have never received, I wonder if others did? > (and hence why no replies?) > > Elizabeth WATTS married Thomas CADMAN in *1828* 7th Sept at All Souls > Langham Westminster FamilySearch gives the church as All Souls, St Marylebone > Both were single, both of that Parish If they were both working there and had been for long enough that would have qualified them as being "of this parish". I remember reading an item from an experienced researcher who said couples in service would often marry from their employers home in the hope of receiving a gift from them. Alternatively they may have left a bag at the equivalent of an accommodation address in order to qualify. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

>> I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY >> as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born >> in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in >> Richmond or somewhere else? >> Egham is in the north-west border of Surrey and borders both Berkshire and Buckinghamshire. It is a parish in its own right and so baptisms would have been carried out in the parish church. However, you should be aware that for some administrative purposes it can come up under Berkshire - for example, registrations of births and deaths seem to appear under Windsor (in Berkshire), and this sometimes leads to confusion when using online resources indexed by county (e.g. census returns). Hope that helps. Bob Brock www.badger55.co.uk