HI on the West Surrey FHS website there are no details for meetings in Walton as there are for other locations Are the meetings taking place and are there speakers? Thanks Bob

Hello List I am seeking a family named HORN from Ripley. William David Horn was born 04 July 1825 to David Horn and Mary I have the 1841 census for Surrey but I cannot find them. Perhaps they moved but Family history was unavailable today, does SKS have this family. Bob

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Hello Paul, I am sure it would not have been as late as the 1860's, the youngest child was born 1856, died 1857, & both parents had died by 1862. The Mother, Mary Anne Moorcock, ( maiden name Field ) died 1858, said to be of Ottershaw, died in Lane End Chertsey in some sort of Hospital, of T.B., was buried Addlestone . The Father, George Moorcock died 1862 Chertsey, I did not buy his Death Certificate, so do not know where he was buried. Unless it was relating to his burial that I made the notes from the Film. Again, thankyou, Mary -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Eggleton Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012 4:22 a.m. To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Egham, & Chertsey , Surrey St Peters church, Chertsey was almost completely rebuilt in the 1860's.   Paul Eggleton ________________________________ From: Mary Legarth <legarthm@levin.pl.net> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:14 PM Subject: [SRY] Egham, & Chertsey , Surrey I am unfamiliar with this geographical area of Chertsey , Egham. However, some years ago, pre Internet research, I read a number of  films relating to the Parishes surrounding Chertsey, and noting the MOORCOCK families. I recall reading  an infant , born in Chertsey , the Baptism taking place in Egham because the Church in Chertsey was being rebuilt . It may have been in the early 1850's . Perhaps someone with local knowledge can comment on this. I can take time later in the day, to check my paper files , ( yes, I still hoard some of them ), I know I noted that fact at the time. However, I will be away from home to attend a Funeral, so it will be some hours before I am able to check this. Mary New Zealand -----Original Message----- Subject: [SRY] Ref: WATTS family in Epsom and Egham, Surrey I am reasonable new to the list and must confess that I am sometimes a little confused when researching this area. I am researching from Australia and have yet to have the pleasure of making a trip to England to do some research in person and actually walk the areas that I have in family tree files. I therefore am unsure as to the various areas around the county of SURREY as far as registration of births, etc. for example, if a person was born in Egham at a certain period in time, would they have been baptized in Richmond or somewhere else? Sorry if I have not made myself very clear but as I said, I am a little confused trying to trace some of my ancestors in this general area. Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia . __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7588 (20121015) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com .   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7592 (20121016) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7592 (20121016) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7611 (20121021) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7611 (20121021) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thank you Chris, The dates are interesting , maybe it was the 1839 date which I read . I have been through everything , and am unable to find the note I made. Of course Murphy's law means it is the page I should have kept, however, I did find among the notes I made,and stored, I find now link names to the family I was unable to do so previously, so there was no time wasted. Mary -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Willis Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012 1:24 p.m. To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Egham, & Chertsey , Surrey Dear Mary Looking at Surrey by J Charles Cox, Methuen 1903, reprinted 1921, he says that the church was rebuilt in 1808, and the fabric underwent restorations in 1839, 1878 and 1892. The West Surrey FHS transcript of baptisms seems to run straight through the two earlier dates. The latter two dates being after 1840 are not covered. Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Legarth" <legarthm@levin.pl.net> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 10:14 PM Subject: [SRY] Egham, & Chertsey , Surrey >I am unfamiliar with this geographical area of Chertsey , Egham. > However, some years ago, pre Internet research, I read a number of films > relating to the Parishes surrounding Chertsey, and noting the MOORCOCK > families. > I recall reading an infant , born in Chertsey , the Baptism taking place > in Egham because the Church in Chertsey was being rebuilt . It may have > been > in the early 1850's . > Perhaps someone with local knowledge can comment on this. > > I can take time later in the day, to check my paper files , ( yes, I still > hoard some of them ), I know I noted that fact at the time. However, I > will > be away from home to attend a Funeral, so it will be some hours before I > am > able to check this. > > Mary > New Zealand __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7611 (20121021) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi, I am still trying to sort out my husband's FREEMAN family >From a letter dated August 1872 when Thomas Freeman is writing to John Freeman (London to Victoria, Aust) he states - you ask about Uncle William I never knew him but I have seen his tombstone in Oxted churchyard. I assumed it was William FREEMAN but it could be William HAINES. I am wondering if anyone lives near this church and would be able to see if there is a headstone and ANY information on it. Thank you Pat

I originally thought that perhaps the Formigini family might be Catholic, since they appear to be Italian and in my simple mind, Italian = Catholic. When googling the surname, however, there are frequent mentions of Jewish Formigini in Italy. It might be worth a look in the Hebrew documents at Ancestry.com? Nancy -----Original Message----- From: edwards lorian <loriweb@blueyonder.co.uk> To: eng-surrey <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 10:13 am Subject: Re: [SRY] Lambeth Workhouse records circa 1780 - 1800 Hi Nivard, Not a baptism or burial, but I have just stumbled across an Apprenticeship record for Joseph Formigini (your post inspired me to search Lambeth Poor Law records for my elusive g-g-g-grandfather). Ancestry have browsable records only, go to London, England, Poor Law Records, 1517-1973, then browse to Borough of Lambeth, Lambeth, Apprenticeship Papers 1772-1833, image 21. Joseph Formigini was received into the workhouse 15 Oct 1795 at age 10 years and 4 months. On 17 Nov 1795 he was apprenticed to Chas. Jackson & Co, Worsted Manufacturers in Cuckney, Nottinghamshire 'til 21 years old'. John and Mary Ann also appear on later pages. Lori

Lori Edwards wrote: > Something else to consider - My g-g-grandfather was Roman Catholic but > married to a protestant woman. Six of their children were baptised > Roman Catholic but the seventh and last was baptised C of E, after their > father had died. Perhaps something similar happened to the Formiginis. The mother of a family I was looking into many years ago had her children baptised into the Church of England after her husband died at a fairly young age. At the time I put it down to "getting back at him". He was buried in an unmarked grave when none of the rest of the family were. It was the cemetery burial books that solved the puzzle. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Well done again Lori I got so involved with other lines of research today that I did not notice the John on the very same page I transcribed the top half of, I was thinking of spending some time on that tomorrow but knowing me I would probably have been distracted until a later date, so thank you for pointing these out It certainly now lends some weight to the theory that she may be the Mary who married in 1820 in Derbyshire All *very* interesting stuff Now if you just happen to find a stray Italian Count knocking around <vbg> Really appreciate the findings, thank you again Also the Elizabeth FORMIGINI by gum they get about don't they (if it is her of course) I don't have many Lancs connections so hadn't checked there Your suggestion of the last baptism also rings true, knowing the difficulty of getting access to RC records I may struggle with that avenue but worth exploring when and if I can Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/10/2012 22:45, Lori Edwards wrote: > Nivard, > > John and Mary Ann Formigini also appear in the same Lambeth register of > apprentices, John is on image 22 and Mary Ann on image 29. > > John Formiggini rec'd into workhouse 15 Oct 1795, age 10 years 3 months > 17 days (almost exactly the same as Joseph!). Apprenticed 7 June 1796 > to Nicholas Cresswell, Cotton Spinner of Castleton in the County of Derby. > Mary Ann Formigini rec'd into workhouse 14 Jan 1792, age 5 months. > Apprenticed to Nicholas Cresswell (as above) on 5 June 1801 at age 10 > years 10 months. > > Lancashire OPC have the marriage of an Eliza Formigini at Manchester > Cathedral in 1814 - it is just possible this is your Elizabeth. > > Something else to consider - My g-g-grandfather was Roman Catholic but > married to a protestant woman. Six of their children were baptised > Roman Catholic but the seventh and last was baptised C of E, after their > father had died. Perhaps something similar happened to the Formiginis. > > Lori

Hi Nivard, Thank you for that, it would seem that SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL was indeed baptized from the Workhouse so he had been admitted before 1849. Confirmation of his date of birth is useful too. Yes, I have thought for a long time now that his father is more likely to have been a DENTON rather than BENJAMIN RUSSELL but unless I discover that BENJAMIN had died more than 9 months before September 1838 I guess I shall never know for sure, my 2xgreat grandmother is possibly the only one who could tell us the truth! My great grandfather was always known as SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL throughout his life, and his second name was passed on to my father who was ALFRED DENTON RUSSELL. The marriage certificate of SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL'S older brother BENJAMIN RUSSELL 26 March 1838 at St Mary's Bermondsey gives his father's name as BENJAMIN RUSSELL Plumber and Glazier but does not say that he was deceased so this could possibly be a clue as to when BENJAMIN died but, as we all know, such things can be totally inaccurate. SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL'S marriage certificate 9 October 1860 St John the Baptist Hoxton also gives his father's name as BENJAMIN RUSSELL but says he was a Painter (deceased). I agree that there are curious things such as the CHESNEY baptisms, and it is also curious that the name of SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL'S father appears as SAMUEL, was that just a mistake or did his mother speak the truth? I wonder. Pauline Colchester Britain's First City. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 5:48 PM To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SRY] Lambeth Workhouse records circa 1780 - 1800 > Hi Pauline > > The event I just looked at on Ancestry has a birth date on it and that > the abode was the workhouse at the time > > Southwark > Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene > 1849 > 37 > > born 30th Sept 1838 > baptised 23rd May 1849 > forenames Samuel Denton > Parents Samuel Elizabeth > Surname RUSSELL > abode Workhouse > By whom J.E.GIBSON > > Is it possible that DENTON is the father and not RUSSELL ? > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Samuel Denton > Name: Samuel Denton > Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1838 > Registration district: Bermondsey > Inferred County: London > Volume: 4 > Page: 14 > > Curious how the CHESNEY baptisms follow a week after the RUSSELL one and > the father is recorded as Samuel not Benjamin like his marriage in 1860 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 18/10/2012 12:32, Pauline Taylor wrote: >> Hi Nivard, >> >> I too have had problems with Lambeth Workhouse and baptisms. My great >> grandfather SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL was baptised at St Mary Magdalene >> Bermondsey in 1849. There is no precise date beside his name but another >> earlier entry has 23 May 1849. >> >> Later on I found SAMUEL D RUSSELL in the 1851 census in Lambeth >> Workhouse, >> there was no sign of either of his parents or his brothers and sisters >> but >> his age is given as 12 years. Therefore he must have been born circa >> 1838. >> Further research revealed that in the 1841 census he was living, aged 3, >> in Bermondsey Street with his mother ELIZABETH 36 Greengrocer, sister >> SARAH 17 trotter dresser, brother BENJAMIN 15 shipwright and brother >> WILLIAM aged 11. There is no sign of his father BENJAMIN RUSSELL. I >> have >> never been able to find any other baptism for SAMUEL DENTON nor can I >> discover whether his baptism in 1849 took place from the Workhouse. > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nivard, John and Mary Ann Formigini also appear in the same Lambeth register of apprentices, John is on image 22 and Mary Ann on image 29. John Formiggini rec'd into workhouse 15 Oct 1795, age 10 years 3 months 17 days (almost exactly the same as Joseph!). Apprenticed 7 June 1796 to Nicholas Cresswell, Cotton Spinner of Castleton in the County of Derby. Mary Ann Formigini rec'd into workhouse 14 Jan 1792, age 5 months. Apprenticed to Nicholas Cresswell (as above) on 5 June 1801 at age 10 years 10 months. Lancashire OPC have the marriage of an Eliza Formigini at Manchester Cathedral in 1814 - it is just possible this is your Elizabeth. Something else to consider - My g-g-grandfather was Roman Catholic but married to a protestant woman. Six of their children were baptised Roman Catholic but the seventh and last was baptised C of E, after their father had died. Perhaps something similar happened to the Formiginis. Lori On 19/10/2012 20:21, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > If anyone has any more on Joseph FORMIGINI or any of that surname I > would be interested in hearing it > > I have a Mary Ann FORMIGINI who was baptised in 1791 at Lambeth, > supposed brother of Joseph above > > Mary Ann is said to be the Mary FERMER who married a William SIDDONS in > 1820 at Duffield (I have that marriage) > >

Whilst looking for information on the unusual name of FORMIGINI an apprenticeship record was found for him (thanks Lori :-), along with 14 others who were apprenticed to Charles JACKSON in Cuckney Nottinghamshire They are all from Lambeth workhouse Hopefully it may help someone fathom out where that young person disappeared to London, England, Poor Law Records, 1430-1973 Lambeth > Lambeth > Apprenticeship Papers > 1772-1833 > 21 & 22 17th 1795 Charles JACKSON & Co Worsted Manufacturer Cuckney in Nottinghamshire Name of Apprentice - when born or of received Age when placed B = born in Workhouse Age when rec'd Joseph FORMIGINI 15 Oct 95 10y 4m 0d - 10y 5m 0d Mary BOOTH 13 July 1793 6y 0m 0d - 8y 4m 0d died 5th Dec 1802 (there is a further note against him am unable to read it clearly) Samuel NEWBURY 5 Dec 1793 6y 0m 0d - 8y 3m 0d Richard HOLDING B22 Oct 1785 - - - - 10y 0m 26d James FARMER 24 July 95 7y 2m 0d - 7y 0m 6d James CORRIE 13 Feb 94 9y 0m 0d - 10y 9m 0d Elizabeth BONE 4 Apr 95 8y 0m 0d - 8y 7m 0d Harriet Aldridge SMITH 4th Feb 1792 4y 11m 0d- 8y 1m 14d til 21 years old Elizabeth SELF 15th June 1788 5y 0m 0d - 12y 5m 0d David EVANS 21 June 1787 4y 7m 0d - 8y 8m 27d Sarah MAYWELE 31 Jan 1795 11y 0m 0d - 11y 9m 17d Mary FREWIN 6 Dec 1791 6y 0m 0d - 8y 11m 0d William FARMER 24 July 95 8y 4m 0d - 8y 8m 0d Samuel STACEY 9 Oct 95 7y 0m 0d - 7y 1m 0d 25th Nov 1796 Charles JACKSON & Co Worsted Manufacturer Cuckney in Nottinghamshire John WILKES not in the house - 12y 0m 19d If anyone has any more on Joseph FORMIGINI or any of that surname I would be interested in hearing it I have a Mary Ann FORMIGINI who was baptised in 1791 at Lambeth, supposed brother of Joseph above Mary Ann is said to be the Mary FERMER who married a William SIDDONS in 1820 at Duffield (I have that marriage) -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Pauline The event I just looked at on Ancestry has a birth date on it and that the abode was the workhouse at the time Southwark > Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene > 1849 > 37 born 30th Sept 1838 baptised 23rd May 1849 forenames Samuel Denton Parents Samuel Elizabeth Surname RUSSELL abode Workhouse By whom J.E.GIBSON Is it possible that DENTON is the father and not RUSSELL ? England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Samuel Denton Name: Samuel Denton Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1838 Registration district: Bermondsey Inferred County: London Volume: 4 Page: 14 Curious how the CHESNEY baptisms follow a week after the RUSSELL one and the father is recorded as Samuel not Benjamin like his marriage in 1860 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/10/2012 12:32, Pauline Taylor wrote: > Hi Nivard, > > I too have had problems with Lambeth Workhouse and baptisms. My great > grandfather SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL was baptised at St Mary Magdalene > Bermondsey in 1849. There is no precise date beside his name but another > earlier entry has 23 May 1849. > > Later on I found SAMUEL D RUSSELL in the 1851 census in Lambeth Workhouse, > there was no sign of either of his parents or his brothers and sisters but > his age is given as 12 years. Therefore he must have been born circa 1838. > Further research revealed that in the 1841 census he was living, aged 3, > in Bermondsey Street with his mother ELIZABETH 36 Greengrocer, sister > SARAH 17 trotter dresser, brother BENJAMIN 15 shipwright and brother > WILLIAM aged 11. There is no sign of his father BENJAMIN RUSSELL. I have > never been able to find any other baptism for SAMUEL DENTON nor can I > discover whether his baptism in 1849 took place from the Workhouse.

Hi Lori Sorry for delayed reply Your find is very much appreciated It does suggest he was not born in the workhouse and unless he returned to the workhouse, did not die there either I had checked some of the other data on Ancestry but did not try the apprentice records I will have to check out Notts now to see if there are any likely candidates for Joseph The overseers certainly went far afield to rid themselves of their charges didn't they I will have to trawl through the other records on Ancestry more thoroughly as there may yet be more clues Much appreciate your pointing Joseph out, a very useful find indeed Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/10/2012 11:25, Lori Edwards wrote: > Hi Nivard, > > Not a baptism or burial, but I have just stumbled across an > Apprenticeship record for Joseph Formigini (your post inspired me to > search Lambeth Poor Law records for my elusive g-g-g-grandfather). > Ancestry have browsable records only, in London, England, Poor Law > Records, 1517-1973, then browse to Lambeth, Apprenticeship Papers, > 1772-1833, image 21. Joseph Formigini was received into the workhouse > 15 Oct 1795 at age 10 years and 4 months. On 17 Nov 1795 he was > apprenticed to Chas. Jackson & Co, Worsted Manufacturers in Cuckney, > Nottinghamshire 'til 21 years old'. > > Lori

Hi, Is anyone researching the surname FREEMAN in the Southwark, area? I have (I hope) John FREEMAN marrying Ann HAINES in 1810 in St Olave. From family letters I know that they had at least five children - John, Isabella, Edwin, Thomas and Eliza. John and Edwin eventually came to Australia, John marrying here and Edwin bringing his family across. According to the letters, Isabella married Abraham Oliver and I have not found them in any census with children. Thomas was supposedly married to an Isabella and had at least one daughter by 1863. Eliza is married with five children - husband not mentioned. I have picked up a couple of other baptisms in the same two parishes for an Ann and William Henry and because they are not mentioned in the letters I suspect they may have died young. John and son John both appear to be Feltworkers or hat makers and Edwin was a plasterer, but this is the extend of my knowledge of this family. Would love contact with anyone researching this name. Unfortunately John & Ann FREEMAN appear to be a very common combination. :-( Regards Pat

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Hi Nivard, Not a baptism or burial, but I have just stumbled across an Apprenticeship record for Joseph Formigini (your post inspired me to search Lambeth Poor Law records for my elusive g-g-g-grandfather). Ancestry have browsable records only, go to London, England, Poor Law Records, 1517-1973, then browse to Borough of Lambeth, Lambeth, Apprenticeship Papers 1772-1833, image 21. Joseph Formigini was received into the workhouse 15 Oct 1795 at age 10 years and 4 months. On 17 Nov 1795 he was apprenticed to Chas. Jackson & Co, Worsted Manufacturers in Cuckney, Nottinghamshire 'til 21 years old'. John and Mary Ann also appear on later pages. Lori On 17 October 2012 23:27, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Hi all > > Memory fails me > > Are the workhouse records for Lambeth Workhouse anywhere online > > I seem to recall the National Archives having some poor law and > workhouse records but since they have made their site *easier* I can't > find a thing on there > (if their aim was to cut traffic down on their site its working as I > find its pointless going there these days) > > I have checked Ancestry and just wondered if anyone knew of any anywhere > > I am seeking births/baptisms and burials for > > Anthony & Sarah FORMIGINI whose children were > > John Formigini 1784 – > Joseph Formigini 1785 – 1799 > Elizabeth Formigini 1788 – 1799 > Mary Ann Fleming 1791 – 1860 > > The only one I can find is the Mary Ann who was baptised at St Mary > Lambeth in 1791, no sign of the others > > I am informed that they were born and died in the Lambeth Workhouse (bar > Mary) > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nivard, I too have had problems with Lambeth Workhouse and baptisms. My great grandfather SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL was baptised at St Mary Magdalene Bermondsey in 1849. There is no precise date beside his name but another earlier entry has 23 May 1849. Later on I found SAMUEL D RUSSELL in the 1851 census in Lambeth Workhouse, there was no sign of either of his parents or his brothers and sisters but his age is given as 12 years. Therefore he must have been born circa 1838. Further research revealed that in the 1841 census he was living, aged 3, in Bermondsey Street with his mother ELIZABETH 36 Greengrocer, sister SARAH 17 trotter dresser, brother BENJAMIN 15 shipwright and brother WILLIAM aged 11. There is no sign of his father BENJAMIN RUSSELL. I have never been able to find any other baptism for SAMUEL DENTON nor can I discover whether his baptism in 1849 took place from the Workhouse. There is no record of his admission to the Workhouse but I have recently discovered that he was not actually alone as I found on genes reunited the marriage of his mother ELIZABETH RUSSELL to JOSEPH CHESNEY at St Dunstan and All Saints Stepney on 19 Jun 1842, both parties were widowed, but I have so far not found the burial of BENJAMIN RUSSELL. JOSEPH BENJAMIN CHESNEY was buried 25 Jul 1849 at St Mary Magdalene Bermondsey, and in 1851 his widow ELIZABETH CHESNEY 49 pauper, their two children ELIZABETH LETITIA CHESNEY 6 and BENJAMIN CHESNEY 3 were all in Lambeth Workhouse together with ELIZABETH's son, my great grandfather, SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL. My 2xgreat grandmother seems to have had a very sad hard life, she was married as ELIZABETH PEARCE on 9 Jul 1821 to BENJAMIN RUSSELL, a widower, when she can only have been about 15 years old, she was widowed twice, and died in 1855, probably in the Workhouse although my next move is to get a copy of her death certificate to prove this. Getting any further information about baptisms from the Workhouse has proved impossible as has finding out about apprenticeships for Workhouse children. I think that SAMUEL DENTON RUSSELL was probably apprenticed as a cooper as this was his occupation at the time of his marriage in 1860 but no records seem to have survived. Pauline Taylor, In Colchester, Britain's First City! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:01 AM To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SRY] Lambeth Workhouse records circa 1780 - 1800 > Hi Nancy > > Yes if the story is true there could be a Catholic link however why did > they have their last child baptised in 1791 at St Marys Lambeth yet > there is no sign of the name for the parents or the other children > > St Mary at Lambeth > 7th September 1791 > Mary Ann Daughter of Anthony Formigini and Sarah > > I have so far found no evidence for anything but the above baptism and > the lady the researcher suggests she is later marries as FERMAN (or very > similar) in Derbyshire > > There may be some truth in the story but have not found it as yet > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > On 18/10/2012 01:15, or wrote: >> Hi. My gggrandmother seems to have had a child in Lambeth Workhouse, >> and I remember there were two mentions of the baby being baptized, >> one in the workhouse and the second in the local parish. Since the >> family appears to have an Italian last name, perhaps they could be >> found in the Roman Catholic records? Seems they been in the UK long >> enough to have Anglicized the kids first names, or perhaps the mother >> was British? >> >> >> Nancy > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nivard, Not a baptism or burial, but I have just stumbled across an Apprenticeship record for Joseph Formigini (your post inspired me to search Lambeth Poor Law records for my elusive g-g-g-grandfather). Ancestry have browsable records only, in London, England, Poor Law Records, 1517-1973, then browse to Lambeth, Apprenticeship Papers, 1772-1833, image 21. Joseph Formigini was received into the workhouse 15 Oct 1795 at age 10 years and 4 months. On 17 Nov 1795 he was apprenticed to Chas. Jackson & Co, Worsted Manufacturers in Cuckney, Nottinghamshire 'til 21 years old'. Lori On 17/10/2012 23:27, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi all > > Memory fails me > > Are the workhouse records for Lambeth Workhouse anywhere online > > I seem to recall the National Archives having some poor law and > workhouse records but since they have made their site *easier* I can't > find a thing on there > (if their aim was to cut traffic down on their site its working as I > find its pointless going there these days) > > I have checked Ancestry and just wondered if anyone knew of any anywhere > > I am seeking births/baptisms and burials for > > Anthony & Sarah FORMIGINI whose children were > > John Formigini 1784 – > Joseph Formigini 1785 – 1799 > Elizabeth Formigini 1788 – 1799 > Mary Ann Fleming 1791 – 1860 > > The only one I can find is the Mary Ann who was baptised at St Mary > Lambeth in 1791, no sign of the others > > I am informed that they were born and died in the Lambeth Workhouse (bar > Mary) >