Hi, I am having trouble knowing how to be certain that I have the right people. If anyone has any tricks of the trade :-) My current problem is - I have an Ann FREEMAN who was trialled in the Old Bailey. She stole some shoes from a Mr. John Walter Shields who claimed that "The prisoner is a relation of my wife's". This was in 1829. So I then went looking and found that Mr John Walter Shields married Mary Sarah HAINES in 1827. Ann Freeman is the child of John FREEMAN and Ann HAINES, so I figured that either the wife was married to Ann Freemans Aunt (her mothers sister) or a cousin so her mothers brothers child. And I have John Walter Shields birth as 24th June 1807 (I saved the entry onto USB but the page didn't have the parish :-() Next time. And I found two daughters to this couple. He was the son of John Shields and Sarah and was a waterman. But this is where I am having trouble. I cannot confirm the birth/baptism of Ann HAINES to get her parents nor can I be certain coming down if I do pick parents and baptism dates. Because of the dates I am leaning towards the cousin theory, but even this I cannot be sure of. John FREEMAN and Ann HAINES married in 1810 in St Olave Any suggestions on how to progress!!!!!? Thank you Pat

A site mapping *every* bomb dropped on London has just been put online. I haven't had a really good look but it's quite amazing and totally fascinating. The image in the link below shows the whole of London completely hidden under red pins. A closer looks shows it wasn't quite so, not by a long way. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20637222 Another article: www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2243951/The-astonishing-interactive-map-EVERY-bomb-dropped-London-Blitz.html or if that breaks: http://preview.tinyurl.com/c3squ9h And the site itself: http://bombsight.org/#15/51.5050/-0.0900 You may get 404 or 503 errors on any of those. If you do, have a look again later. The sites are very busy as you might expect. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: FFHS-NEWS FHISO Announces that FFHS becomes a founding member of FHISO Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 23:08:48 -0000 From: News from the Federation of Family History Societies FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Lutterworth, Leicestershire (UK) and Gilbert, AZ (USA) - December 4, 2012 - The Federation of Family History Societies (FFHS) and Family History Information Standards Organisation, Inc. (FHISO) announced today that The Federation of Family History Societies has finalised its plans to become a founding member of the organisation. As part of this process, FFHS has designated Malcolm Austen as its key organisational member representative. Malcolm will participate with other FHISO members from the global genealogical community in the development of standards for the digital representation and sharing of family history and genealogical information. "As family historians embrace the digital age and new technology transforms the way we research, discover and collate information about our ancestors, it is vitally important that we ensure that we adhere to the highest standards available when accessing and sharing data online. We are already seeing some of the problems emerging - incorrect citation of primary sources, confusion about where information was originally created, and issues around referencing personal archives that have been made available on the internet. The Federation of Family History Societies is therefore proud to be one of the founder members of FHISO, and will assist its work in creating the much-needed standards for genealogical data around the world", said Dr. Nick Barratt, FFHS President. "We are a community of diverse practitioners and interests. Recognising the needs and devising solutions for our community is not a job for the few, but the many. It is an honour to welcome the Federation of Family History Societies to FHISO. Already instrumental in uniting more than 160 member societies in the United Kingdom and around the globe, FFHS brings vision and experience to FHISO. Our future is today better and brighter for their commitment", said acting FHISO Chairman, Robert Burkhead. To learn more about FFHS, please visit the organisation's website, http://www.ffhs.org.uk/index.php. To learn more about FHISO, visit http://fhiso.org/. Posted by David Smetham Communications Officer FFHS -------- Original Message ends -------- -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Thank you to the two people who replied to let me know about the church and doing Warwickshire family I have done that we found Arthur Baker was staying with his wife to be Family. in the 1901 census. just wondered if any one could help with the family he left behind in Surrey., even other census. Sue

Hi,just knew to this list and hoping someone may be able to help me. I have just started to do my husbands family on his mums side which he knows nothing about his grandparents at all. i have found a lot considering nothing is known about this Baker family at all. i looked at 1911 census and found an Alfred baker born richmond Surrey had gone to Warwickshire and married annie nee Morrall. I found which I think is Alfreds Family on the 1881 census. living at 13 evelyn terrace Richmond James Head 46yrs born Brenford Sarah Wife 48yrs old born Westminster William 14yrs born Richmond Henry 13 yrs ‘’ '’ Alfred 11 yrs born ‘’ Elizabeth 9yrs ‘’ '’ Arthur 6yrs ‘’ ‘’ frederick 4 yrs ‘’ ‘’ Amy 2yrs ‘’ ‘’ Also i found An Alfred christened at St Mary Magdalen church Richmond, i know his wife side is Catholic dont know if this church is or not. Could anyone help or somebody may be connected anything appreciated. We know Alfred lived in Warwickshire. thanking you. Sue Turner

Hello Sue, St Mary Magdalen, Richmond, is C of E. Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les & Sue Tuner" <LesT@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [SRY] BAKER FAMILY SURREY | Hi,just knew to this list and hoping someone may be able to help me. I have just started to do my husbands family on his mums side which he knows nothing about his grandparents at all. i have found a lot considering nothing is known about this Baker family at all. | i looked at 1911 census and found an Alfred baker born richmond Surrey had gone to Warwickshire and married annie nee Morrall. | I found which I think is Alfreds Family on the 1881 census. | living at 13 evelyn terrace Richmond | James Head 46yrs born Brenford | Sarah Wife 48yrs old born Westminster | William 14yrs born Richmond | Henry 13 yrs ‘’ '’ | Alfred 11 yrs born ‘’ | Elizabeth 9yrs ‘’ '’ | Arthur 6yrs ‘’ ‘’ | frederick 4 yrs ‘’ ‘’ | Amy 2yrs ‘’ ‘’ | Also i found An Alfred christened at St Mary Magdalen church Richmond, i know his wife side is Catholic dont know if this church is or not. | Could anyone help or somebody may be connected anything appreciated. We know Alfred lived in Warwickshire. | thanking you. | Sue Turner

Les & Sue Tuner wrote: > Also i found An Alfred christened at St Mary Magdalen church > Richmond, i know his wife side is Catholic dont know if this church > is or not. Could anyone help or somebody may be connected anything > appreciated. We know Alfred lived in Warwickshire. Hallo St Mary Magdalen, Richmond, is Church of England. I understand that children born to a Catholic mother or father could have been baptised in a Catholic Church or an Anglican Church or both. You may be able to get help from the Warwickshire list as well if you aren't already subscribed there. Connie in London

Good morning, I have recently come back to the list as I have found quite a few of my relatives born Redhill/Reigate. I am trying to find Baptisms for the Davis family,they are not on Ancestry so hoping there is someone that can help me, I do have birth certificates Thank you Eileen New Zealand

Eileen Some names and dates would help..details from the birth certificates.. Where have you looked..Have you tried Family Search.. They might not have been Baptised in the place they say they were born.. Mary Sydney oz -----Original Message----- From: Eileen Chapman Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:02 AM To: ENG-SURREY@rootsweb.com Subject: [SRY] DAVIS ( redhill Reigate) Good morning, I have recently come back to the list as I have found quite a few of my relatives born Redhill/Reigate. I am trying to find Baptisms for the Davis family,they are not on Ancestry so hoping there is someone that can help me, I do have birth certificates Thank you Eileen New Zealand . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hyams+jill wrote: > Apologies. The correct link for Surrey History Centre's December Marvels > of the Month is: > > http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/recreation-heritage-and-culture/archives-and-history/surrey-history-centre/marvels-of-the-month Hallo Thank you Connie in London

Hi Jill the short one seems to end up in the same place. Slighly surprised that Outlook Express cd cope with the long one which is split between two lines on my screen. Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants ----- Original Message ----- From: "hyams+jill" <jill@hyams.plus.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: [SRY] December Marvels of the Month > Apologies. The correct link for Surrey History Centre's December > Marvels of the Month is: > > http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/recreation-heritage-and-culture/archives-and-history/surrey-history-centre/marvels-of-the-month > > Jill > .

Apologies. The correct link for Surrey History Centre's December Marvels of the Month is: http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/recreation-heritage-and-culture/archives-and-history/surrey-history-centre/marvels-of-the-month Jill

Surrey History Centre's December Marvels of the Month are now online. This month we groan under the weight of Sir William More's Christmas lists, shiver at the Surrey snows of 1927, and trace the origins and treatment of fragile tracings. More info at http://bit.ly/O5fU3b Jill Hyams On behalf of Surrey Heritage

Hi Hopefully I have it right this time. Searching the family of Charles Herbert Smith (b 1860) and Florence fermor (b 1861) Children are Frederick Charles A Smith b 1885, Sidney Kingwell/reynell smith b 1886/87, Edgar Cyril Smith b 1889 and Dorothy Kathleen Smith b 1898. Births are in Peckham, Camberwell and family known to have lived in east Dulwich. Seeking information on any of the above.Have all birth certs need marriages deaths etc. Thanks for any help. Jill

Many thanks Paul -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Eggleton Sent: 21 November 2012 17:33 To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Molesey I'm presuming you mean Tudor nor tutor. I googled Molesey Hurst tudor sports and got to the Molesey local history society and they had this event with another coming next year. If you go to the following web site you can find the notes on the meeting, which are very comprehensive - it's a good web site. I was very interested in this myself, as I lived just 2 miles away in Hinchley Wood. http://www.moleseyhistorysociety.org October 12th 2012 Sport on theHurst The faithful – about 150 of them – flocked to Mole Hall to witness another of the Society’s in-house productions. The subject was the history of sporting activity onMolesey Hurst which stretches fromTudor times to the present day. Originally planned to coincide with the London 2012 Olympics, it was particularly appropriate thatMolesey played a part in the Olympics as host to some of the Cycling events. The evening consisted of an introduction by the Society’s Chair, Jenny Wood, followed by illustrated talks on Cricket by John Hutton and Horse Racing by Stewart Nash, both of which featured Pathé News clips. The talks were supplemented by displays of photographs and other material. Sadly there was insufficient time to do justice to all the other sport that has taken place on the “Hurst” and so a further evening is planned for early in 2013 to cover the exclusions. Paul Eggleton ________________________________ From: Pauline Sieler <pauline@sieler.co.uk> To: ENG-SURREY@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: [SRY] Molesey I am trying to find out more about some of the tutor sports that took place on Molesey Hurst such as hunting, coursing and hawking and also the later sport of prize fighting. I would love to hear from anyone who has and info Many thanks Pauline . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm presuming you mean Tudor nor tutor. I googled Molesey Hurst tudor sports and got to the Molesey local history society and they had this event with another coming next year. If you go to the following web site you can find the notes on the meeting, which are very comprehensive - it's a good web site. I was very interested in this myself, as I lived just 2 miles away in Hinchley Wood. http://www.moleseyhistorysociety.org October 12th 2012 Sport on theHurst The faithful – about 150 of them – flocked to Mole Hall to witness another of the Society’s in-house productions. The subject was the history of sporting activity onMolesey Hurst which stretches fromTudor times to the present day. Originally planned to coincide with the London 2012 Olympics, it was particularly appropriate thatMolesey played a part in the Olympics as host to some of the Cycling events. The evening consisted of an introduction by the Society’s Chair, Jenny Wood, followed by illustrated talks on Cricket by John Hutton and Horse Racing by Stewart Nash, both of which featured Pathé News clips. The talks were supplemented by displays of photographs and other material. Sadly there was insufficient time to do justice to all the other sport that has taken place on the “Hurst” and so a further evening is planned for early in 2013 to cover the exclusions.   Paul Eggleton ________________________________ From: Pauline Sieler <pauline@sieler.co.uk> To: ENG-SURREY@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: [SRY] Molesey I am trying to find out more about some of the tutor sports that took place on Molesey Hurst such as hunting, coursing and hawking and also the later sport of prize fighting. I would love to hear from anyone who has and info Many thanks Pauline . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com .   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to find out more about some of the tutor sports that took place on Molesey Hurst such as hunting, coursing and hawking and also the later sport of prize fighting. I would love to hear from anyone who has and info Many thanks Pauline

From The Ipswich Journal ( Ipswich, England ), Saturday, January 4, 1800; Issue 3497.  A navigable canal is about to be cut from Croydon to the Thames, at Rotherhithe.  Lords AUCKLAND , GWYDER , and RUSSELL , are Members of the Committee appointed to devise the ways & means.

I am trying to locate relatives of the Page and Borley families. The family I am referring to is: Frederick William Page born circa 1877, married Kate Probets, born 1878, married in Bromley, 1907. Children:      Howard Page born 1907, Surrey Lewis Frederick Page born 1910, Surrey ?married Lucy E.L. Smith, 1940 Bromley Kent. Molly Page born 1917, Berkshire. Molly married Edward Borley 1940, Surrey Betty Page born 1920, Surrey. Betty married Kenneth Barnes 1941, Surrey. If you know anything of this family at all I would be most appreciative to hear from you.  s_haslett2002@yahoo.com.au

Surrey History Centre will be closed for stocktaking from Monday 3 December until Monday 17 December. We will re-open Tuesday 18 December at 09.30. This will enable us to improve our finding aids and your access to our collections. Jill Hyams On behalf of Surrey Heritage