Hi Pam, Thanks for mentioning the book. My son now lives in the Croydon area and so it is of particular interest. John

From The Morning Chronicle ( London, England ), Tuesday, August 31, 1824; Issue 17276.  SURREY ADJOURNED SESSIONS. Yesterday the Adjourned Session for the County of Surrey was held at Horsemonger-lane, before Robert HEDGER , Esq. Chairman, and several Magistrates. JOHN SKIMMINGTON , aged ten years, stood indicted for stealing two handkerchiefs & a piece of lace, value 37s., the property of John JONES. On the night of the 25th instant the prisoner was observed at the prosecutor's shop window, and having forced his arm through the glass he took the articles before stated, and rolling them up gave them to another.  The prisoner, when asked if he had any witnesses to speak to his character, replied, he could have a very good character.  He was a quack doctor [ loud laughter ].  He then stated, that in former times he had travelled the country with his father and with Madame GAUGOUR , the celebrated strong lady, who lifted up an anvil with the hair of her head, and who would throw a chair over her head with her mouth.  His father is the man who catches the chair when so thrown by Madame.  " I ( continued the prisoner ) I goes about with stuff that takes out grease, paint, pitch, and tar; I also cures warts, your Honour, and gets a good deal of money.  I ask you, therefore, Gentlemen, if I would do such a thing, and if I wanted money I could get it from my father."The Gaoler said that Madame GAUGOUR was the prisoner's mother; for the benefit of her business she was described as Madame.  The Jury found him GUILTY, and the Chairman said, in consideration that he would be much better taken care of than going about the streets, he should sentence him to seven years' transportation.

Many of us have had ancestors who, for one reason or another, found themselves in the Workhouse, an institution held in horror into the 20th century. In February 2013 a new book (A Grim Almanac of the Workhouse) is out which contains "365 incredible tales of fires, drownings, explosions and disasters, [and] infamous scandals such as the Andover affair". It sounds like it could offer an interesting insight into conditions in many workhouses but probably not suitable for bed time reading! Full details: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/Bookshop/details.aspx?titleId=2943 -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi All Would any of you have an interest in a chap called R.J. Bunn. Probably born around 1880. most likely in South London. He played the banjo possibly with my Grandfather between 1900 and the outbreak of the 1914 - 1918 war I have a signed photo if you have an interest Regards Geoff

Congratulations from me too, anyone who puts so much time and effort into research such as this on a voluntary basis deserves our support not criticism. Pauline Taylor Colchester Britain's First City. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Allbrook" <michael@allbrook.com> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:29 AM To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SRY] Bomb Site > I would echo these sentiments. This website represents an enormous amount > of > work and I congratulate those who contributed. > Perhaps there are others who wish to make a positive contribution and who > would prepare similar research for other date ranges > Michael Allbrook > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Mick > Sent: 10 December 2012 01:57 > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SRY] Bomb Site > > If you look at the site and consider just how much work, expense and > effort > went in to providing what is there. Which one can view at no expense. then > look at the number of posts complaining about supposed 'shortcomings' of > the > site. All I can think of is when 'YOU' have put that amount of effort and > resources into a research project and then meet with complaints from > people > who are willing to use your work for free. Then and only then are you > qualified to express an opinion. This does not ONLY apply to the post I'm > replying to. > > To those behind the site.: Congratulations on finding a way to put up a > more > than useful resource and I hope that some of these 'grinches' at least > have > the courtesy to offer support to your project in one form or another. > Otherwise since they don't qualify to comment what they have to say should > simply be ignored by all. > > Mick > > On 12/08/2012 12:19 PM, Geoff Fairbairn wrote: >>> From: charani.b@gmail.com >>> > If you click on the red "pins", it gives a little more information with a > link to further information. > Don't bother. The further information in every case is "High Explosive > Bomb > : > Source: Aggregate Night Time Bomb Census 7th October 1940 to 6 June 1941 > Fell between Oct. 7, 1940 and June 6, 1941" > and a present day address, which in some case bears little relation to the > 1940/1 address. > Geoff > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would echo these sentiments. This website represents an enormous amount of work and I congratulate those who contributed. Perhaps there are others who wish to make a positive contribution and who would prepare similar research for other date ranges Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Mick Sent: 10 December 2012 01:57 To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Bomb Site If you look at the site and consider just how much work, expense and effort went in to providing what is there. Which one can view at no expense. then look at the number of posts complaining about supposed 'shortcomings' of the site. All I can think of is when 'YOU' have put that amount of effort and resources into a research project and then meet with complaints from people who are willing to use your work for free. Then and only then are you qualified to express an opinion. This does not ONLY apply to the post I'm replying to. To those behind the site.: Congratulations on finding a way to put up a more than useful resource and I hope that some of these 'grinches' at least have the courtesy to offer support to your project in one form or another. Otherwise since they don't qualify to comment what they have to say should simply be ignored by all. Mick On 12/08/2012 12:19 PM, Geoff Fairbairn wrote: >> From: charani.b@gmail.com >> If you click on the red "pins", it gives a little more information with a link to further information. Don't bother. The further information in every case is "High Explosive Bomb : Source: Aggregate Night Time Bomb Census 7th October 1940 to 6 June 1941 Fell between Oct. 7, 1940 and June 6, 1941" and a present day address, which in some case bears little relation to the 1940/1 address. Geoff To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com

If you look at the site and consider just how much work, expense and effort went in to providing what is there. Which one can view at no expense. then look at the number of posts complaining about supposed 'shortcomings' of the site. All I can think of is when 'YOU' have put that amount of effort and resources into a research project and then meet with complaints from people who are willing to use your work for free. Then and only then are you qualified to express an opinion. This does not ONLY apply to the post I'm replying to. To those behind the site.: Congratulations on finding a way to put up a more than useful resource and I hope that some of these 'grinches' at least have the courtesy to offer support to your project in one form or another. Otherwise since they don't qualify to comment what they have to say should simply be ignored by all. */Mick/* On 12/08/2012 12:19 PM, Geoff Fairbairn wrote: >> From: charani.b@gmail.com >> >> If you click on the red "pins", it gives a little more information >> with a link to further information. > Don't bother. The further information in every case is > "High Explosive Bomb : > Source: Aggregate Night Time Bomb Census 7th October 1940 to 6 June 1941 > Fell > > between Oct. 7, 1940 and June 6, 1941" > > and a present day address, which in some case bears little relation to the 1940/1 address. > Geoff > > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: FFHS-NEWS RAF Museum to digitise thousands of World War I archive records for 1914-18 centenary Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 03:35:35 -0500 (EST) From: News from the Federation of Family History Societies Culture24 have announced that the RAF Museum is to digitise thousands of World War I archive records for 1914-18 centenary. The Hendon-based museum has received £64,000 from the Esmee Fairbairn Collections Fund to digitise, preserve and provide public access to around 300,000 First World War personnel records as part of a new permanent exhibition exploring the 1914-18 conflict. For more information visit: <www.culture24.org.uk/history%20%26%20heritage/war%20%26%20conflict/world%20war%20one/art411457> or http://bit.ly/VmKbxC if the above breaks Beryl Evans FFHS Archives Liaison Officer -------- Original Message ends -------- -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

John - thanks - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <j4nemail-engsurrey@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] Bomb Site Chris, I have received the following reply from Kate, it explains why the project seems unfinished. John Many thanks for your email . The current funding for the project has run out, until we find more funding we are not able to extend the project. The National Archives do have maps from the V1 / V2 period but with the existing funding and short duration of the project we had to choose somewhere to start and the process of data collection is time consuming and very much hope that we will find funding to continue. >________________________________ > From: Geoff Fairbairn <geoff_fairbairn@hotmail.com> >To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2012, 17:19 >Subject: Re: [SRY] Bomb Site > > >> From: charani.b@gmail.com >> >> If you click on the red "pins", it gives a little more information >> with a link to further information. > >Don't bother. The further information in every case is >"High Explosive Bomb : > Source: Aggregate Night Time Bomb Census 7th October 1940 to 6 June 1941 > Fell > > between Oct. 7, 1940 and June 6, 1941" > >and a present day address, which in some case bears little relation to the >1940/1 address. >Geoff > >. >*************************************** >Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** >superfluous old messages in replies. > >List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com >. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris, I have received the following reply from Kate, it explains why the project seems unfinished. John Many thanks for your email . The current funding for the project has run out, until we find more funding we are not able to extend the project. The National Archives do have maps from the V1 / V2 period but with the existing  funding and short duration of the project we had to choose somewhere to start and the process of data collection is time consuming and very much hope that we will find funding to continue. >________________________________ > From: Geoff Fairbairn <geoff_fairbairn@hotmail.com> >To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2012, 17:19 >Subject: Re: [SRY] Bomb Site > > >> From: charani.b@gmail.com >> >> If you click on the red "pins", it gives a little more information >> with a link to further information. > >Don't bother. The further information in every case is >"High Explosive Bomb : >                    Source: Aggregate Night Time Bomb Census 7th October 1940 to 6 June 1941 >                    Fell >                        >                            between Oct. 7, 1940 and June 6, 1941" > >and a present day address, which in some case bears little relation to the 1940/1 address. >Geoff >                        >. >*************************************** >Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > >List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com >. >  > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

> From: charani.b@gmail.com > > If you click on the red "pins", it gives a little more information > with a link to further information. Don't bother. The further information in every case is "High Explosive Bomb : Source: Aggregate Night Time Bomb Census 7th October 1940 to 6 June 1941 Fell between Oct. 7, 1940 and June 6, 1941" and a present day address, which in some case bears little relation to the 1940/1 address. Geoff

Geoffrey Lloyd wrote: > This is a good resource but could have been much better if the actual date > the bomb was dropped and the numbers of the properties damaged, surely they > would have been recorded. > My mother was bombed out from her house in Lynton rd Bermondsey No 112 I > believe and it would have been interesting to fix a date for this. If you click on the red "pins", it gives a little more information with a link to further information. It wasn't working yesterday, probably because so many people were looking at it. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Might one get more detail by referring to resources at TNA? JK On 8 December 2012 13:24, Geoffrey Lloyd <geoff@orchard5.demon.co.uk> wrote: > This is a good resource but could have been much better if the actual date > the bomb was dropped and the numbers of the properties damaged, surely they > would have been recorded. > My mother was bombed out from her house in Lynton rd Bermondsey No 112 I > believe and it would have been interesting to fix a date for this. > > Geoff > > > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a good resource but could have been much better if the actual date the bomb was dropped and the numbers of the properties damaged, surely they would have been recorded. My mother was bombed out from her house in Lynton rd Bermondsey No 112 I believe and it would have been interesting to fix a date for this. Geoff

Hi I know where a oil bomb a V1 & a V2 there was one AA gun which would rome around Ealing where I lived firing off one or two rounds & it would move on to anouther site & fire a few more it was to make us think we were getting our own back Keith > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 14:15:27 +0000 > From: charani.b@gmail.com > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SRY] WWII London Bombing > > A site mapping *every* bomb dropped on London has just been put > online. I haven't had a really good look but it's quite amazing and > totally fascinating. > > The image in the link below shows the whole of London completely > hidden under red pins. A closer looks shows it wasn't quite so, not > by a long way. > > www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20637222 > > Another article: > www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2243951/The-astonishing-interactive-map-EVERY-bomb-dropped-London-Blitz.html > or if that breaks: http://preview.tinyurl.com/c3squ9h > > And the site itself: > > http://bombsight.org/#15/51.5050/-0.0900 > > You may get 404 or 503 errors on any of those. If you do, have a look > again later. The sites are very busy as you might expect. > > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It`s a wonder there were any buildings left standing after such a concentrated attack. As an Australian, it`s hard to grasp what it must have been like during the blitz with all those bombs falling. Amazing stuff. It really demonstrates the resilience of people under such a concentrated attack, and the vileness of war. Norman A. in OZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> To: "Surrey List" <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 1:15 AM Subject: [SRY] WWII London Bombing >A site mapping *every* bomb dropped on London has just been put > online. I haven't had a really good look but it's quite amazing and > totally fascinating. > > The image in the link below shows the whole of London completely > hidden under red pins. A closer looks shows it wasn't quite so, not > by a long way. > > www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20637222 > > Another article: > www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2243951/The-astonishing-interactive-map-EVERY-bomb-dropped-London-Blitz.html > or if that breaks: http://preview.tinyurl.com/c3squ9h > > And the site itself: > > http://bombsight.org/#15/51.5050/-0.0900 > > You may get 404 or 503 errors on any of those. If you do, have a look > again later. The sites are very busy as you might expect. > > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John to be a bit more precise, Bomb-sight covers 7th October 1940 to 6th June 1941. Google suggest that the V1 flew around this latter date, but that conflicts with Wikipedia, which states the designer of the whole weapon was not involved until 1942. The pulse jet engine was tested in January 1941, and was flown in April. Wikipedia says the first use was on 13 June 1944 following the allied landings in France. Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Willis" <c.willis111@btinternet.com> To: "John" <j4nemail-engsurrey@yahoo.co.uk>; <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] WWII London Bombing > John > > seems to be a relatively short time frame. I don't think the V weapons had > been produced (perhaps even invented) then. > > Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John" <j4nemail-engsurrey@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SRY] WWII London Bombing > > >>A very interesting plot of the bombing. However it does not include the V1 >>and V2 munitions which is a bit of a shame. >> >> I could see the bomb that nearly got my father and his gang on the >> railway >> at Hampton Court Junction. The V1 that landed between Dennis and >> Pemberton >> Roads is not shown. >> >> John >> .

John seems to be a relatively short time frame. I don't think the V weapons had been produced (perhaps even invented) then. Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <j4nemail-engsurrey@yahoo.co.uk> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] WWII London Bombing >A very interesting plot of the bombing. However it does not include the V1 >and V2 munitions which is a bit of a shame. > > I could see the bomb that nearly got my father and his gang on the railway > at Hampton Court Junction. The V1 that landed between Dennis and Pemberton > Roads is not shown. > > John > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A very interesting plot of the bombing. However it does not include the V1 and V2 munitions which is a bit of a shame. I could see the bomb that nearly got my father and his gang on the railway at Hampton Court Junction. The V1 that landed between Dennis and Pemberton Roads is not shown. John

Hi, I will try my question another way. Is there anyone researching Mary Sarah HAINES. She married John Walter SHIELDS in 1827 in St Botolph, Aldgate, London. John was born in 1807 I think in Surrey or Middlesex. This couple had at least two children Isabella Sarah 1827-1833 and Mary Rachel 1830. Mary Sarah SHIELDS died on the 15th March 1833 and John seems to have remarried to an Eliza Hesses. What I am not sure about is the names of Mary's parents. A possibility for the her birth is 24th Jun 1810 in Bermondsey with parents Thomas HAINS and Sarah. I problem is somehow I have to link this Mary Sarah HAINES to an Ann HAINES who married John FREEMAN in 1810. I was thinking that Thomas and Ann may be siblings but I am having trouble finding parents for both at relevant times. So I thought I would look for another researcher of her in the hopes of finding something. Thank you Pat