The nearest I can find is (from Ancestry) St Saviour Denmark Park Sunday 18th Oct Rev'd Mr GIBSON? 1801 Sam'l George son of Wm DUMMER, Lab'r Eliz'th born 17th Oct 1801 In the 1841 it states he was born in Middlesex, that may be accurate though Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/12/2012 20:58, or wrote: > Please tell me if I've misunderstood, but I'm looking for my ggggrandpa, Samuel Drummer/Drummond/Dummer, etc. He d. Samuel Drummond, 1850 St. Mary's, Lambeth (thanks Neville!). He was born in Mdx. abt 1801. The weird thing is, I can't find his birth/christening information. Does anyone have any idea how I could find it? I've looked in Surrey, Middl or > esex, and all the other counties. He was a brick maker, so I've considered that he might also have come from Germany,since Drummer is German as well. > > > Just hoping that maybe sks can help me with this brick wall (weak pun intended :-/ Thanks! > > > Nancy Merrill Sayed

Hi everyone, I’m having trouble with WILLIAM HENRY GREEN b1837 or 1838 Stanwell Moor, which I understand was then in Surrey. As yet I have no certificates, but having searched ancestry many times, I have found him on censuses in 1861 where he seems to be a grocers assistant in Walton-on-Thames, 1881 in Hoxton where his occupation is given as tallyman, and finally in 1891 again in Hoxton where he is a wharf labourer.  In 1841 there is the possibility of his family living in West Drayton but it shows the whole family as born out of county.  However given my lack of knowledge of the area, the county border could be closeby and they’ve moved only a few miles. His wife was Mary Ann b1842 Liverpool (possibly Mary Ann Langford, married St Giles Without Cripplegate 20 May 1861). His children Henry b1866 Cove Hampshire, Robert b1875 Hoxton, Florence b1880 Shoreditch.  Robert married Elizabeth Mary Jane Davies (b1867 Hoxton) 1898 Hoxton Square St Peters at which time he described his father as deceased. Green is such a common name and I feel I’m getting nowhere fast, as I’ve been trying to find more information on him for several years now.  There is a birth registered MarchQ 1838 Staines for William Henry, and unless evidence comes to the contrary, I will buy that certificate, as well as the 1861 marriage.  I don’t know why he would have been in Hampshire when Henry was born.  I’d really like to know who his parents were and where they were from, why he (or at least his wife) may have been in Hampshire and which death is his (though there is one for 1897 in Southwark I think that seems likely). Any help or suggestions would be very gratefully received! Thanks, Lyn Rye, Australia

Hi list from Australia, My query is for news of and or about a young lady by the name of Frances NOYES. (sorry nothing further to report about her age, birthyear or place, hence any help in learning anything about her would be very much appreciated.) In the will of Francis Wilson Arkinstall Esq. (1788 - March 1827) who was late of Biggin Hill Lodge, Norwood, Surrey and who died (aged 52 years) leaving his real & personal estate etc to his 3 children - - his illigetimate daughter - Margaret Brookshaw Arkinstall (1805-1880), whose mother was Elizabeth (Watkinson) Whatton - William Francis Arkinstall (bapt at St.Pancras in January 1816) & his daughter Ann Arkinstall (no further details known). + Two hundered pounds to his brother (unfortunately not named). In Francis Wilson Ark's will there is also mention of an adopted daughter? named Frances Noyes, and it stated that she had been living with him at the time of his making the will in 1823. It is unknown if the following info has anything to do with this Frances Noyes: From the Burney 17th/18th Century Newspapers Collection: News . London Evening Post (London, England), December 26, 1772 - December 29, 1772; Issue 7018. Category: News - {Died} Yesterday Henry Harfell Esq. A Bencher of the Middle Temple. The same day in Bond Street, Richard Noyes Esq. - (Was this Richard Noyes the father of Frances Noyes??) Could some knowledgable person please help & explain or fill in the gaps I found undecipherable in the following passage in Francis's will: Some ........... months last I endorsed a Note of Hand over to the said Frances Noyes in ........ for ........ and my said three children equally and at same time till ...... such Note to her ......... ......... ......... confirm such endorsement and transfer it having been made for value received and is not intended to pass by or form part of my will or estate. I appoint the said Frances Noyes and John George ......... of Cornhill in the City of London, .......... Trustors and Executor and Executrix of this my will hereby revoking all former and other wills by me ............. made. In witness .......... I the said Francis Wilson ARKINSTALL the Testator have hereunto set my hand and seal the twenty fourth day of November in the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty three. Francis W Arkinstall. I know that Francis Wilson Arkinstall had leasehold? of the property called the Great Western Exchange (Bazaar) in Old Bond Street. Perhaps this was were he knew the Noyes family from and if both parents were deceased by 1820, how he ended up having Frances become a member of his family. Taken from 'THE LONDON TIMES" - Wednesday June 18, 1823. Page 1 Issue: 11901: Col. A Cat. People/Advertising To be sold persuant to a decree of the High Court of Chancery made in cause in which Richd DAVIES & wife and others are Plaintiffs & Francis Wilson ARKINSTALL & others are defendants. At the public Sale Room, Southampton Buildings, Chancery Lane, London on Wednesday 25th June inst (1823) between the hours of 1and 2 in the afternoon with the approbation of James TROWER Esq. one of the Masters of the said Court, all that Freehold Estate comprising the entire building of the WESTERN EXCHANGE, with its extensive bazaars, show rooms, picture gallery & appurtenances situate in Old Bond Street. (No.10) Printed particulars may be had at the said Masters chambers in Southampton Buildings, Chancery Lane, London & of Messrs. Dawson, Capron & Rowley, Solicitors Saville Place, New Burlington St. London. Mr Finnis, Solicitor, Hart Street, Bloomsbury & Mr Pike, Solicitor, New Boswell Court, Carey Street. London. There were also many Chancery Notices in the London papers between 1814-1824 mentioning Francis Wilson Arkinstall and various people possibly owing him money. I also believe at one stage he was Manager of the Old Vic/Coburg Theatre (in Mr Glossop's absence) and was responsible for selling it's famous Glass Curtain. I wish everyone all the best for a healthy, happy and wonderful 2013, and look forward to hearing for anyone who may care to help me out with my query. Many thanks....Robyn Arkinstall. NSW, Australia.

Hi everyone, I’m having trouble with WILLIAM HENRY GREEN b1837 or 1838 Stanwell Moor, which I understand was then in Surrey. As yet I have no certificates, but having searched ancestry many times, I have found him on censuses in 1861 where he seems to be a grocers assistant in Walton-on-Thames, 1881 in Hoxton where his occupation is given as tallyman, and finally in 1891 again in Hoxton where he is a wharf labourer.  In 1841 there is the possibility of his family living in West Drayton but it shows the whole family as born out of county.  However given my lack of knowledge of the area, the county border could be closeby and they’ve moved only a few miles. His wife was Mary Ann b1842 Liverpool (possibly Mary Ann Langford, married St Giles Without Cripplegate 20 May 1861). His children Henry b1866 Cove Hampshire, Robert b1875 Hoxton, Florence b1880 Shoreditch.  Robert married Elizabeth Mary Jane Davies (b1867 Hoxton) 1898 Hoxton Square St Peters at which time he described his father as deceased. Green is such a common name and I feel I’m getting nowhere fast, as I’ve been trying to find more information on him for several years now.  There is a birth registered MarchQ 1838 Staines for William Henry, and unless evidence comes to the contrary, I will buy that certificate, as well as the 1861 marriage.  I don’t know why he would have been in Hampshire when Henry was born.  I’d really like to know who his parents were and where they were from, why he (or at least his wife) may have been in Hampshire and which death is his (though there is one for 1897 in Southwark I think that seems likely). Any help or suggestions would be very gratefully received! Thanks, Lyn Rye, Australia

Hello Di, According to the 1881 census via Familysearch, Thomas PRATT senior had a grandson living in his household, in Bratton-Clovelly, Devon, a Thomas PRATT, aged 4, b.Ireland. What do you know of this child? Have you considered the possibility of Mary Ann (b. 1848) having gone to Ireland? Could young Thomas be her son? Best wishes, Chris Townsend ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Gibbs" <di@the-gibbsonline.co.uk> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 4:15 PM Subject: [SRY] Bringing home the lost and strayed; PRATT > Hello again, > > These two PRATTs are a little more straightforward and have come forward > in > time. They are brother and sister: Thomas Alfred, born 1852 and Mary Ann > PRATT, born 1849 at West Clandon. > > Their parents were Thomas PRATT born 1826, West Clandon and Mary Ann > BREWSTER born 1828 St Pancras. > > I have all the census information following them from West Clandon to > Liskeard in Cornwall. In 1881 I believe I have found Thomas Alfred in the > 'Railway Inn' in Wells, Somerset, but I cannot locate Mary Ann. > > I have tried marriages for both, but to no avail, and also deaths. I > couldn't find them emigrating to the USA. > > Fingers crossed that by some magic, an expert on the list can find them > for > me. > > Di > > PS I think I have confused two Thomas' in my previous message, but Thomas > senior was definitely a keeper!

Stanwell and Stanwell Moor were in Middlesex until the circa 1965 reorganisations. Certainly you need to look at Middx baptisms However that birth entry is very likely the right one Bob -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lyn Yates Sent: 28 December 2012 11:04 To: Eng-Surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: [SRY] Bringing home the lost and strayed (GREEN, Stanwell Moor) Hi everyone, I'm having trouble with WILLIAM HENRY GREEN b1837 or 1838 Stanwell Moor, which I understand was then in Surrey.

Hello again, These two PRATTs are a little more straightforward and have come forward in time. They are brother and sister: Thomas Alfred, born 1852 and Mary Ann PRATT, born 1849 at West Clandon. Their parents were Thomas PRATT born 1826, West Clandon and Mary Ann BREWSTER born 1828 St Pancras. I have all the census information following them from West Clandon to Liskeard in Cornwall. In 1881 I believe I have found Thomas Alfred in the 'Railway Inn' in Wells, Somerset, but I cannot locate Mary Ann. I have tried marriages for both, but to no avail, and also deaths. I couldn't find them emigrating to the USA. Fingers crossed that by some magic, an expert on the list can find them for me. Di PS I think I have confused two Thomas' in my previous message, but Thomas senior was definitely a keeper!

Please tell me if I've misunderstood, but I'm looking for my ggggrandpa, Samuel Drummer/Drummond/Dummer, etc. He d. Samuel Drummond, 1850 St. Mary's, Lambeth (thanks Neville!). He was born in Mdx. abt 1801. The weird thing is, I can't find his birth/christening information. Does anyone have any idea how I could find it? I've looked in Surrey, Middl or esex, and all the other counties. He was a brick maker, so I've considered that he might also have come from Germany,since Drummer is German as well. Just hoping that maybe sks can help me with this brick wall (weak pun intended :-/ Thanks! Nancy Merrill Sayed

Graham, and Chris, At the risk of throwing a spanner in the works, the address given for the BENNETT family in 1911 appears to be 'Lynmouth', Lynton Road, New Malden (a private house). RG14/3525 SN141 HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Willis Sent: 28 December 2012 13:53 To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Bringing home the lost and strayed - BENNETT - Malden Hi Graham the maps on the GENUKI gazetteer here: http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/maplink?CCC=SRY,GR=TQ2106068030 give some hints on the location of "The Orchard". In particular the Old-Maps. The 1897 1:2500 has Ravenhurst on the corner with Westbury Road, with a sweep onto the latter. By 1913 this is unnamed with an orchard along its eastern boundary. By 1935 the orchard is gone and has a semi in place. The western half seems to be the principal part, and *might* be called "The Orchard". Given that your chap was there around 1910, the 1910 finance act stuff sd give useful details. I am happy to have a look next time I go to the National Archives, Kew (visits very spasmodic). Your property sd show on IR 121/18/23 Surrey XIII.1 (13.1) The current situation is shown on Elgin. Unfortunately you need the parameters and the old version. In the Genuki gazetteer select Elgin, and when the map of the whole country comes up, insert "V5." (without the quotes) at the beginning of the address window. My guess outlined above is number 26. You will see that the southern side of the road is all gone to a school. There are alternatives with bits of orchard on the southern side in the 1913 map. I suspect that they haven't necessarily gone in 1935. It may well be reduced detailing. Doubts have been cast on the dating of these maps. It may be the date given is publication rather than survey or lithography date. Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Price" <genetree@tpg.com.au> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] Bringing home the lost and strayed > My mysterious lost one is the only child of my Alfred John Bennett & > Catherine Avery, baptised at St. Anne Soho, Westminster 1891 and last > found on the 1911 census living with her father and step-mother > Catherine at "The Orchard" Sandel Road, New Malden, Surrey. <snip> > Cheers > Graham > Melbourne > Oz

Lyn, Stanwell Moor was in the county of Middlesex until the 1960s, when it moved to Surrey along with most of the area around Staines on the north bank of the River Thames. I'm pretty sure it was in the Staines registration district. Your 1838 registration in Staines therefore seems very likely. Bob Brock www.badger55.co.uk -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:04:18 +1100 From: "Lyn Yates" <lyn-yates@bigpond.com> Subject: [SRY] Bringing home the lost and strayed (GREEN, Stanwell Moor) To: <Eng-Surrey@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000a01cde4eb$158b4a70$40a1df50$@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi everyone, I?m having trouble with WILLIAM HENRY GREEN b1837 or 1838 Stanwell Moor, which I understand was then in Surrey. As yet I have no certificates, but having searched ancestry many times, I have found him on censuses in 1861 where he seems to be a grocers assistant in Walton-on-Thames, 1881 in Hoxton where his occupation is given as tallyman, and finally in 1891 again in Hoxton where he is a wharf labourer.? In 1841 there is the possibility of his family living in West Drayton but it shows the whole family as born out of county. ?However given my lack of knowledge of the area, the county border could be closeby and they?ve moved only a few miles. His wife was Mary Ann b1842 Liverpool (possibly Mary Ann Langford, married St Giles Without Cripplegate 20 May 1861). His children Henry b1866 Cove Hampshire, Robert b1875 Hoxton, Florence b1880 Shoreditch.? Robert married Elizabeth Mary Jane Davies (b1867 Hoxton) 1898 Hoxton Square St Peters at which time he described his father as deceased. Green is such a common name and I feel I?m getting nowhere fast, as I?ve been trying to find more information on him for several years now.? There is a birth registered MarchQ 1838 Staines for William Henry, and unless evidence comes to the contrary, I will buy that certificate, as well as the 1861 marriage.? I don?t know why he would have been in Hampshire when Henry was born.? I?d really like to know who his parents were and where they were from, why he (or at least his wife) may have been in Hampshire and which death is his (though there is one for 1897 in Southwark I think that seems likely). Any help or suggestions would be very gratefully received! Thanks, Lyn Rye, Australia

Hello All, My brick wall has my head hurting from banging it against the brick. I have been looking for years for Rose FLOWER born June 20,1847 to Paul and Mary Ann Flower nee Fisher. She is the 3rd child of the 4 children to Paul and Mary Ann, their oldest being Elizabeth Dinah Flower born Dec 09, 1842, Mary Ann born Dec 02.1845 and John William Flower born June 19, 1849, he is my Great Grandfather. The last document I have with any mention of Rose FLOWER is the death certificate of Paul Flower August 02, 1869 and Rose FLOWER is the informant which states "X Mark of Rose Flowers present at death 1 Clarence Terrace, Rotherhithe". The certificate has an "s "on the Surname " FLOWERS" but that was not uncommon as my family has gone through years of with registrars adding an "s" when their wasn't supposed to be one. I have been unable to find Rose on the 1871 census or any other census after 1861 or any ship's manifest indicating she may have left the country. I have not found any marriage or death certificate for her any help would be really appreciated. Norm Flower Vancouver Island British Columbia

My gggrandfather was John Dalton who married Ann Brown at St. Bride Fleet Street in 1807. The were married after banns so there is no information there. The record states that both were of the parish. The witnesses were the same people on every record for at least that day. They then moved to Croydon where they raised a family and became something of a success with apparently construction and a grocery. John was buried Jun. 28, 1831 in the church yard of St. John the Baptist in Croydon at the age of 57. Thus, the probable birth year would be around 1774. The executor of his will was his brother-in-law and only his wife and children are mentioned, thus no help there. Looking through the IGI I have found one likely birth but that person apparently died as an infant (I don't have the information here now but it was somewhere on Thames). I have looked at the the church records for St. Brides Fleet Street and the Dalton family that seems to be there prior to the marriage is not the family that produced my John. So, apparently the family moved there after his birth (and those of his siblings if any) or they were telling a little one to the Priest when the claim was made that they were both of the parish. Might someone be able to tell me if all of the parish records for the surrounding parishes are covered by the IGI, at least for that 1774 period? Any other help would be gladly accepted. Bill in Gig Harbor

Hi, My John FREEMAN (1811 st Olave) was the son of John FREEMAN and Ann HAINES. I have not been able to confirm his father's birth but wondered if he was bap 16/1/1784 Saint Olave Southwark the son of John and Mary FREEMAN. Unfortunately I am only basing this on where he himself was baptised. I would like to find a way to confirm the correct birth and also find his death. I suspect maybe before the 1841 census. He married Ann Haines in 1810 in St Olave and they had I believe 9 children although I cannot find the baptism for the youngest and only know of his existence because of some family letters between Edwin (the youngest) and John. Both John's were feltworkers/ hatters but I have not been able to find a London Apprenticeship abstract for them. Of the surviving sons one was a hatter, one a builders labourer and the youngest a plasterer. Thank you and I would like to wish all a safe and happy New Year. Regards Pat

PS. Alfred John Bennett of Sandel Rd, New Malden, Surrey, 1861-1943, was originally a jeweller but changed his occupation to that of distillery traveller. Some in the art community consider he was the Alfred J Bennett, the water colour, oils and etching artist who features on Wikipedia, but the jury is still out on that. I have found no proof that my Alfred is one and the same. Anyone who is interested may go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_J._Bennett and check it out. The first part of the web is correct, with details of his marriage etc., but the second part re. Exhibitions, leaves me rather doubtful. Of course it would be pleasant to claim the artist as my own, but I really don't think so and one cannot claim that which does not belong. Any listers who are good at detective work might like to have a go at this mystery, but I have not found any proof so far. Best wishes Graham

Hi Graham the maps on the GENUKI gazetteer here: http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/maplink?CCC=SRY,GR=TQ2106068030 give some hints on the location of "The Orchard". In particular the Old-Maps. The 1897 1:2500 has Ravenhurst on the corner with Westbury Road, with a sweep onto the latter. By 1913 this is unnamed with an orchard along its eastern boundary. By 1935 the orchard is gone and has a semi in place. The western half seems to be the principal part, and *might* be called "The Orchard". Given that your chap was there around 1910, the 1910 finance act stuff sd give useful details. I am happy to have a look next time I go to the National Archives, Kew (visits very spasmodic). Your property sd show on IR 121/18/23 Surrey XIII.1 (13.1) The current situation is shown on Elgin. Unfortunately you need the parameters and the old version. In the Genuki gazetteer select Elgin, and when the map of the whole country comes up, insert "V5." (without the quotes) at the beginning of the address window. My guess outlined above is number 26. You will see that the southern side of the road is all gone to a school. There are alternatives with bits of orchard on the southern side in the 1913 map. I suspect that they haven't necessarily gone in 1935. It may well be reduced detailing. Doubts have been cast on the dating of these maps. It may be the date given is publication rather than survey or lithography date. Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Price" <genetree@tpg.com.au> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] Bringing home the lost and strayed > My mysterious lost one is the only child of my Alfred John Bennett & > Catherine Avery, baptised at St. Anne Soho, Westminster 1891 and last > found on the 1911 census living with her father and step-mother > Catherine at "The Orchard" Sandel Road, New Malden, Surrey. <snip> > Cheers > Graham > Melbourne > Oz

My mysterious lost one is the only child of my Alfred John Bennett & Catherine Avery, baptised at St. Anne Soho, Westminster 1891 and last found on the 1911 census living with her father and step-mother Catherine at "The Orchard" Sandel Road, New Malden, Surrey. She was Mary Catherine Bennett, occupation shown to be Millinery showroom. She is not mentioned in either of the wills of her father or step-mother in the 1940s, so one would assume she had died early, but did she? Did she marry some-time after 1911? The problem is there are too many Mary Bennetts getting married around that time. One also wonders what, exactly, was "The Orchard," in Sandel Road? Google map doesn't seem to help much. They appear to be reasonable size properties in Sandel Road, with lots of vegetation, so one again assumes a house with lots of fruit trees at the rear. Well, New Year is rapidly approaching, so all the very best to everyone on the list, with a heart-felt urge to wish you great researching in 2013, that your brick walls may turn into gold dust. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Thanks Charani for your invitation (& for all your hard work). I'm posting my worst 'brick wall' though I doubt the answer lies within Surrey - but perhaps SKS can help. I'm seeking early life & marriage of my g-g-g-grandmother Martha Baker (nee Mathison/Meachin/Meakin/??). She died in 1856 in Winchester 'aged 59' (ie b.1797), widow of Harry Baker, pipe-maker (of St John St) and mother of 5 sons (4 of them pipe-makers) & 6 daughters (most 'in service' with good families). Her earliest known child was born in 1815 in Southampton & the last in 1839 in Winchester. Her birth surname is given as Meachin on her youngest's birth certificate (by a neighbour) and Mathison on same daughter's (Scottish) marriage & death certificates. The other children are pre-1837 & the St John's parish registers omit 'extra' information. Her age/birthplace are given as '50y/N' in 1841 census and '60y/London, Middlesex' in 1851 (ie b.1791). Harry is known to have been baptised in 1780 in Chatham & his apprenticeship to Geo.Birchall was completed by 1804. His census answers were '60y/N' in 1841 and '72y/Chatham' in 1851; he died in Winchester in 1854 'aged 77'. But his whereabouts between 1804 & 1815 are unknown. So when/where did they marry? & who were her parents/siblings? (I'm almost certain that the 1804 Harry Baker/Martha Millington marriage at St George, Hanover Sq & the twins baptised in August 1811 at St Andrew, Holborn (parents Harry & Martha Baker) are red herrings, and also wonder whether there might be a St Mary-le-bone connection) As you can see, not really Surrey, but I do enjoy this list! 'Happy hunting' to all Surrey posters (& readers) in 2013!

Happy New Year Everyone, Everywhere Samuel Scrivens was my 3x gt grandfather born, according to IGI, in 1826 in Stedham, Sussex. His parents were Samuel Scrivens & Elizabeth Saunders who were married, again according to IGI, on 26 December 1825 in Stedham. I have not been able to find any further record of Samuel Snr. Samuel Jnr married Mary Cook at St Johns Chapel, Westcott, Surrey, on 21 Jul 1850 and I can trace that couple from there on. I would dearly love to know what happened to Samuel Snr.. I believe that Elizabeth Saunders or Scrivens was living in Farlington with 5 children, including Samuel Jnr, in 1841, in Purbrook in 1851 (H.O. 107 1656 Sch 228), and possibly still in Purbrook in 1861. Not certain about whether that is the same family though. The youngest of the children, William, was about 5 years old in 1841 so could have been born just prior to Registration as could be the death of his father. Any ideas would be welcome Raymond G Green

Hi Jan, Could this be him? John HAYNES born 14/02/1829 Christening place: Dr William's Library London England Father: Jacob HAYNES Mother: Elizabeth Maternal Grandfather: George COLLIER (Dr William's Library records for English Protestant Non-Conformists) HTH Gill in Canada

Isaac Clark born abt 1822-1825 a relative says he may have come from Devon/Cornwell to south Australia. Married Hannah Abbott in South Australia 1847 died in South Australia abt 1856. He is my 2xg grandfather and have been unable to find where he came from or when he came to Australia. I have no parents names for him , or if he could have been born in Australia. Cant find him on any ships list and no-one to ask in the family. Have searched and searched. The only thing I have come up with is he could have been a whaler for a short time in Encounter bay Sth Aus but not sure. Again thanks for any help always hopeful. Jill