Hi Shirley Looking at the 1841, 1851 & 1861 census pages mentioned I would say they are all the same family I was going to say the age difference given in 1841 is due to rounding down in the 1841 but he is enumerated as 47, it should have been rounded down to 45 if he gave 47 but clearly the enumerator did not follow the guidelines (as did many enumerators) Unfortunately for us travellers had a habit of either leading officialdom astray by being very economic with the truth, if indeed they said anything, which perhaps explains the differences in information given I can't recall if you have Thomas's wifes maiden name? If not Abrahams birth cert would tell you that England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Abraham Benson Name: Abraham Benson Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1843 Registration district: Hambledon Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 4 Page: 173 As long as you can tie solidly back to the 1861 Thomas BENSON I would say you have a solid base there Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/01/2013 21:06, Samuel Phillips wrote: > Nivard, thank you so much for your replies. These Bensons have given me all > kinds of problems. You all helped me once before finding the marriage of > Sarah Benson to Thomas West. When I sent for the marriage certificate the > witnesses were Jemima Louder and Abraham Benson. These names appear on the > census you looked at for me so I am thinking that that is a good indication > I have the right Benson. > I am sorry I didn't give you enough info on the 1951 census. I also found > him on the 1941 census Class H0107 piece 716 book 16 Parish Teddington > District 10 Folio 26 page 3. (thats where I had the year he was born from) > he says yes to being born in the county of the census (Middlesex) then on > the 1951 census he gives no place of birth, and then on the 1961 census he > says he was born in Ewell, Surrey. > Sarah b. 1846 Godalming Surrey, was the illegitimate child of Mary Benson b. > 1824 in Horsham, Sussex, daughter of Thomas and Ann Benson. Sarah did not > give a father on the wedding cert. so it does seem to fit together. > I would really appreciate your comments on whether I am on the right > trail, my son and I have been trying to put the pieces together on this for > a long time. Thank you for your time, I see you help so many people. > Shirley

Nivard, thank you so much for your replies. These Bensons have given me all kinds of problems. You all helped me once before finding the marriage of Sarah Benson to Thomas West. When I sent for the marriage certificate the witnesses were Jemima Louder and Abraham Benson. These names appear on the census you looked at for me so I am thinking that that is a good indication I have the right Benson. I am sorry I didn't give you enough info on the 1951 census. I also found him on the 1941 census Class H0107 piece 716 book 16 Parish Teddington District 10 Folio 26 page 3. (thats where I had the year he was born from) he says yes to being born in the county of the census (Middlesex) then on the 1951 census he gives no place of birth, and then on the 1961 census he says he was born in Ewell, Surrey. Sarah b. 1846 Godalming Surrey, was the illegitimate child of Mary Benson b. 1824 in Horsham, Sussex, daughter of Thomas and Ann Benson. Sarah did not give a father on the wedding cert. so it does seem to fit together. I would really appreciate your comments on whether I am on the right trail, my son and I have been trying to put the pieces together on this for a long time. Thank you for your time, I see you help so many people. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] 1851 census > More haste less speed <g> > > My first reply should have said > > "The birthplace is enumerated as K.N. which is a variation on the norm > which is *N.K.* which is an abbreviation for Not Known" > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> The birthplace is enumerated as K.N. which is a variation on the norm >> which is K.N. which is an abbreviation for Not Known > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

More haste less speed <g> My first reply should have said "The birthplace is enumerated as K.N. which is a variation on the norm which is *N.K.* which is an abbreviation for Not Known" Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > The birthplace is enumerated as K.N. which is a variation on the norm > which is K.N. which is an abbreviation for Not Known

Hi again What appears to be the same man in 1861 with son Abraham is enumerated as born Ewell Surrey He is enumerated as 70 in 1861 1861 England Census about Thomas Benson Name: Thomas Benson Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Ewell, Surrey, England Civil parish: Dorking Town: Dorking County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Dorking Sub-registration district: Dorking ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 118 Piece: 440 Folio: 18 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age John Worsfold 27 Eliza Worsfold 26 Alfred Worsfold 1 Months Thomas Benson lodger 70 Abraham Benson 17 Godalming Surrey Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 440; Folio: 18; Page: 19; GSU roll: 542638. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/01/2013 15:47, Samuel Phillips wrote: > Happy New Year to everyone, may we all step over our brick walls! > I am researching Thomas Benson born 1794, my 3 gt. grandfather. > I have him on the 1851 census, Holmwood district, Dorking, page 172. > Under place of birth they give R N. Does anyone know what this stands > for and is this something to do with the fact they were travellers. thank > you Shirley Phillips.

Shirley - are you sure it's RN and not RD, which stands for Rural District?? Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Phillips > Sent: 08 January 2013 15:47 > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SRY] 1851 census > > Happy New Year to everyone, may we all step over our brick walls! > I am researching Thomas Benson born 1794, my 3 gt. grandfather. > I have him on the 1851 census, Holmwood district, Dorking, page 172. > Under place of birth they give R N. Does anyone know > what this stands > for and is this something to do with the fact they were > travellers. thank you Shirley Phillips. > > > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always > **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Shirley It makes life a lot easier if you post the census reference in full where known, with this sort of enquiry There is no Thomas BENSON b1794 in Dorking eventually I found (nb the Page number is not 172, that is the Folio number) He is enumerated as age 61 so born 1790 1851 England Census about Thomas Benson Name: Thomas Benson Age: 61 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1790 Relation: Head Gender: M (Male) Where born: N Civil parish: Dorking Ecclesiastical parish: Holmwood Town: Dorking County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Dorking Sub-registration district: Capel ED, institution, or vessel: 1b Neighbors: Household schedule number: 3 Piece: 1598 Folio: 172 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Benson 61 William Benson 18 Jane Benson 16 Maria Benson 13 Sarah Benson 11 Abraham Benson 8 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1598; Folio: 172; Page: 32; GSU roll: 193496. The birthplace is enumerated as K.N. which is a variation on the norm which is K.N. which is an abbreviation for Not Known Very common with travellers and the like, the enumerators were very wary of approaching them as they were sometimes attacked, in one case at least they were thrown in the canal by a barge family They did not like authority very much Or they did speak to the enumerator and did not know their birthplaces, these families moved around a great deal so may not have known Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/01/2013 15:47, Samuel Phillips wrote: > Happy New Year to everyone, may we all step over our brick walls! > I am researching Thomas Benson born 1794, my 3 gt. grandfather. > I have him on the 1851 census, Holmwood district, Dorking, page 172. > Under place of birth they give R N. Does anyone know what this stands > for and is this something to do with the fact they were travellers. thank > you Shirley Phillips.

Happy New Year to everyone, may we all step over our brick walls! I am researching Thomas Benson born 1794, my 3 gt. grandfather. I have him on the 1851 census, Holmwood district, Dorking, page 172. Under place of birth they give R N. Does anyone know what this stands for and is this something to do with the fact they were travellers. thank you Shirley Phillips.

From Jackson's Oxford Journal ( Oxford, England ), Saturday, June 24, 1820; Issue 3505.   On Thursday the 15th inst. died, at Petersham, Surrey, the Right Hon. Lord Charles SPENCER , eldest brother of the late Duke of Marlborough, formerly Representative of this County, and for many years Colonel of the Oxfordshire Militia.  His Lordship was in his 80th year. 

From Jackson's Oxford Journal ( Oxford, England ), Saturday, June 24, 1820; Issue 3505.   On Monday last died, at Caldecot House, near Abingdon, Berks, in the 77th year of her age, Elizabeth, relict of Thomas LINTAL , Esq., late of Norbiton Hall, Surrey.

Our January Marvels of the Month are now online at http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/recreation-heritage-and-culture/archives-and-hist ory/surrey-history-centre/marvels-of-the-month For the New Year, we celebrate the achievements of Surrey astronomer, Richard Carrington, share Thomas Holloway's fascination with the Franklin expedition, and discover how deacidification can help extend the life of a document. Jill Hyams On behalf of Surrey Heritage (Surrey History Centre)

We're delighted to announce the relaunch of EXPLORING SURREY'S PAST which has a brand new look and feel, with additional content and features that can be easily browsed on smartphones and tablets. New items, such as image galleries and historic maps, are being added on a regular basis, so do keep visiting, and let us know what you think of the new website at http://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk Jill Hyams On behalf of Surrey Heritage (Surrey History Centre)

From Public Advertiser ( London, England ), Tuesday, November 6, 1764; Issue 9362.  A Writ of Habeas Corpus is ordered to be made out for removing John STRINGER , late a Publican in the Strand, from New Prison to the County Gaol of Surry, he standing accused of the Wilful Murder of Catharine his Wife, at Vauxhall, in the Parish of Lambeth, in that County. Tho' the Deceased received her Death Wounds in the Strand, yet her dying in Surry makes the Prisoner culpable of the Murder in that County, for which he will be tried next Kingston Assizes.

Hi everyone, Just thought I would join in the merriment with my own little problem. Unfortunately I haven't been able to help anyone else so far. I originally posted this yesterday but used rich text format which I guess is why it lost all of the formatting and became unreadable. I'm trying again in plain text so apologies for posting twice. Joseph Valance (various spellings including Vallance, Vallence, Vallens) was my gx3 grandfather. This is what I 'know' about him: Probably born 1787-1790 in or around Burstow Married Ann - possibly Ann Reed 03/04/1809 in Lindfield (there may have been a second marriage to another Ann - see below) Children - Stephen 1810, Mary 1816 Burstow, James 1819 Burstow, Marten 1824 Worth (died within 2 weeks), Sarah 1825 Worth, Elizabeth 1827 Worth (died 1832), Thomas 1828 Worth, Ann 1831 Worth, Eliza 1834 Worth Died Jun qtr 1867 Reigate vol 2a page 80 (possibly - I need to get the cert) There are various entries for Vallance on the Sussex poor law database including a removal order from Worth to Burstow in 1817 for Joseph, Ann, Stephen aged 7 and Mary aged 1y 4m. This would tie in with the 1809 marriage. By 1841 Ann is living with a William Gibbs and the children appear to have taken his name (this is continued by several of them in later life). However Ann is only 40 so, if accurate, could not have been Ann Reed. There is a death for Ann Vallance Apr qtr 1855 East Grinstead vol 2b page 81. Joseph may be living separately in Worth aged 50. He may have had a brother John (also in Worth 1841) and a brother James (in Burstow 1841). I have been unable to trace him prior to 1809 and have no parents or siblings (other than those already mentioned). Any ideas? Happy New Year. thanks, Anne

Hi Connie Happy New Year. Nivard from Cornelius using the name of Stoddard in the 1911 census, so that was the surname I was referring to. Sorry if I confused everyone. Many thanks Yvonne Melb. Aust. -----Original Message----- From: Connie Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 3:09 AM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Bringing home the lost and strayed - CORNELIUS STONARD Hallo Cornelius is using the same surname as you were looking for: STONARD. How is that a different name? Or are you thinking of WOODWARD? That appears to be his daughter's married name. Conne in London

From Public Advertiser ( London, England ), Tuesday, November 6, 1764; Issue 9362.  On Friday died, at his Seat near Reigate in Surry, William STANLEY , Esq; aged 71, in the Commission of the Peace for that County. On Sunday died Mrs. Elizabeth BEECROFT , aged 31, Wife of Charles BEECROFT , Esq; of Carshalton.

From Public Advertiser ( London, England ), Tuesday, November 6, 1764; Issue 9362.  On Thursday Mr. William BARTLETT , Surgeon and Man-Midwife at Epsom, was married to Mrs. Elizabeth BELCHER , Mistress of the Castle Inn at Kingstone upon Thames.

From General Evening Post ( London, England ), December 22, 1750 - December 25, 1750; Issue 2661.  BANKRUPTS .Isaac BATEMAN , of St. George in Surry, Victualler.Abraham SMITH , of Reigate in Surry, Distiller and Grocer.

From General Evening Post ( London, England ), August 9, 1739 - August 11, 1739; Issue 917.  To be Lett,And entered upon at Michaelmas next.The SWAN-INN in the Borough of Reigate, Surry.Enquire of Mr. GLOVER in Reigate, or of Mr. BALDWIN , Attorney in Maiden-lane, Covent-Garden.

Hi Nivard Thank you so much, that is obviously why I couldn't trace him, as he was using a different name. I hadn't thought about Cornelius using a different surname, I had tried several different searches, but certainly not one with that surname. This has started 2013 for me, here in Australia, brilliantly, thank you so much - now perhaps I can move on with his life. I wish you and your family a Very Happy New Year for when the UK reaches 2013. Many thanks again Yvonne Hempston -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:02 PM To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] Bringing home the lost and strayed - CORNELIUS STONARD Hi Yvonne >From Ancestry Probate Calendars 1962 STONARD Cornelius of Prospect Villas Howdendyke near Howden Yorkshire died 13 June 1962 at St Johns Hospital Goole Yorkshire Probate London 25 July to Amy Woodward (wife of Robert James Woodward) Effects £1866 7s 7d

Reginald Prothero ASHETON married Rose Adelaide WHEELER in 1878 at Marylebone. One document gives his birthplace as Hull but this has not been verified. The couple had the following children...Mildred b. 1878 Thornton Heath, Surrey; Arthur 1882 St John's Wood;Winifred 1883 Brompton; Gldys 1886 Kensington. The couple cannot be found together after 1881 census and I am trying to discover what became of Reginald please? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Pearse" <lawrencepearse@msn.com> To: <polly2@shaw.ca>; "Surrey List" <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] Bringing Home the lost and Strays > > Hi Pat > What was the name of Charles Morehen's wife and the forename of his son, please? > Lawrence > ---------------------------------------- >> From: polly2@shaw.ca >> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:20:44 -0800 >> Subject: [SRY] Bringing Home the lost and Strays >> >> Good evening and a very happy, healthy New Year to you all. >> My lost are: >> Grace Susan SHERLOCK >> born 1904 London >> she is on the 1911 census in London, >> last information is on the 1937 electoral roll. >> She just seems to have disappeared! She has always been a bit of a mystery. >> She was my mothers sister. >> >> Charles James MOREHEN born 1853 Wadenhoe >> Married 1872 Islington >> last record of him is on his sons birth certificate 1876 Islington. >> I have searched and searched for him for about 20 years . >> He was my gt, grandfather >> It would be fantastic if I could get a lead on these two. >> Thanks so much >> Pat >> >> >> . >> *************************************** >> Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. >> >> List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com >> . >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >