My greatgreat grandfather was a cowkeeper his father was a market gardener and his brother a dairyman all in Peckham I believe that he took his cattle out to a farm to feed them up and brought them back to Peckham to sell their milk, he named his son after the farmer and his daughter after his wife. I believe that they were Welsh immigrants in early 1800s but open to debate Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gillian Hawkins" <ghawkins@shaw.ca> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] John May, Cow Keeper, Peckham Camberwell area about 1840s > Hi Elizabeth, > > Occupation Cow keeper - one who kept one or more cows in cities when a > cow > was kept in the back yard of a house providing milk which was sold. > Forerunner of the local dairy. > > HTH > Regards Gill in Canada > > > > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Elizabeth, [snipped] > John died about 1845 in Camberwell Surrey and his widow then is also > shown as being a Cow Keeper in the 1851 census records. Her maiden name is > unknown at this stage but on a later census she was listed as having been > born in Ringwood Hampshire. ... I have a copy of the birth certificate, 19 August 1838, for the youngest [child], Annie Sophia May ....> In that case, it should give the mother's maiden name. Chris Townsend

Hi Elizabeth, Occupation Cow keeper - one who kept one or more cows in cities when a cow was kept in the back yard of a house providing milk which was sold. Forerunner of the local dairy. HTH Regards Gill in Canada

From Read's Weekly Journal or British Gazetteer ( London, England ), Saturday, September 28, 1751; Issue 1413.  Sunday died in the New Goal, Southwark, Daniel BLAND , who was convicted at the last Assizes for Surry for assualting an Infant of the Age of four Years and four Months; he had stood twice in the Pillory on Richmond Green, pursuant to his Sentence, and was to have remained two Years in Prison, and have given Security for his good Behaviour for three Years more.

Hi Lawrence, Perhaps they were the preprinted postcards that were used later on in the war? - see http://www.zenker.se/History/July_1/july_1.shtml about 3/4 of the way down. Or 'field postcards'? http://rufusrambles.hubpages.com/hub/World-War-1-Field-Service-Postcards-from-the-front You could try contacting this site http://www.wartimememoriesproject.com/greatwar/ hth, Anne ---------------------------------------- > From: lawrencepearse@msn.com > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 9 Jan 013 6::5::1 +000< > Subject: [SRY] panic postcards > > > "Can anyone tell me what panic postcards were? I am transcribing my grandfather's letters home from France in WW,, and he twice uses the phrase. On one occasion he writes to his sweetheart "I'll send panic postcards as often as possible", so I assume he wasn't wanting to panic her. I have found nothing on line yet to explain it. > Lawrence Pearse > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Can anyone tell me what panic postcards were? I am transcribing my grandfather's letters home from France in WW1, and he twice uses the phrase. On one occasion he writes to his sweetheart "I'll send panic postcards as often as possible", so I assume he wasn't wanting to panic her. I have found nothing on line yet to explain it. Lawrence Pearse

From The Morning Post ( London, England ), Friday, January 02, 1807; Issue 11193.   MARRIED. Yesterday, at Wimbledon Church, by the Rev. Herbert RANDOLPH , Clement ARCHER , Esq., Major in the 16th or Queen's Light Dragoons, to Marianne, daughter of Robert WRIGHT , Esq., of Wimbledon, Surrey.

The Bracknell Family History Fair is on Sunday week, 27th January from 10am-5pm, Admission £3 . Details may get added to at http://www.familyhistoryfairs.org/ . Currently it seems that there is a bald recital of time, place and cost on the Dates and Locations page. West Surrey FHS bookstall will be there, as will Berkshire FHS. There is a lot of free parking, but I have heard people complain. It seems that Berks FHS have abandoned their talks at this venue. Berks FHS website alleges that the Society of Genealogists (SOG) will be there, but there seems to be no such indication at the SOG site. Chris Willis in Yateley, Hants

For those who can access it, there's a useful TNA podcast on divorce records. http://preview.tinyurl.com/bf8pvaf HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington They are the earlier divorces and cover several pages for each case Most of my people were not rich enough to divorce properly so have yet to find anyone in them but if you do you will find a lot of information Do remember that the cases were often rigged to get a divorce under the then fairly stringent rules, so don't believe all you read in them Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/01/2013 15:23, kaz wrote: > Hi All. > As of yesterday civil divorce records from 1858 to 1911. > Kaz.

Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Kaz& all > > They are the earlier divorces and cover several pages for each case > > Most of my people were not rich enough to divorce properly so have yet > to find anyone in them but if you do you will find a lot of information > > Do remember that the cases were often rigged to get a divorce under the > then fairly stringent rules, so don't believe all you read in them Hallo The really useful things are the copy of the marriage certificate and the names of the children. Addresses where the family lived can be useful too. I have a copy of the first 30 pages a very detailed divorce, a lot of he said, she said, claim and counter-claim but it did give all the names of the children born to the marriage including some I hadn't known about before. Connie in London

Hi Kaz & all They are the earlier divorces and cover several pages for each case Most of my people were not rich enough to divorce properly so have yet to find anyone in them but if you do you will find a lot of information Do remember that the cases were often rigged to get a divorce under the then fairly stringent rules, so don't believe all you read in them Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/01/2013 15:23, kaz wrote: > Hi All. > As of yesterday civil divorce records from 1858 to 1911. > Kaz.

Hi All. As of yesterday civil divorce records from 1858 to 1911. Kaz.

Robert wrote: > In 1911 the family are still living in Caterham( Ref: > RG14/226/3248) but John W Latter in the 1901 census has become > James Latter, birthplace and age fit my James??? > > My question is obvious, who could this be with Rhoda? I have > searched for a marriage after the death of James in 1888 but > nothing, on 1911 census James& Rhoda state they have had 1 child, > George 1893 and that they have been married for 22 years, this > gives a date of 1889? > > Was someone impersonating James? Or was there one hell of a > coincidence and Rhoda married another James Latter who was also > born the same time in the same place? Very very unlikely. Hallo Who completed the household schedule in 1911? The name is in the right hand bottom corner. Are you absolutely sure Rhoda and Rose are the same person? They may not be. Perhaps getting George J's birth certificate will confirm whether his mother is Rhoda or Rose. Rhoda could have misinterpreted the information being asked for and included her late husband or the person who did complete it made the mistake. It is possible Rhoda did marry another James LATTER of the same place and age. It was not unusual for brothers to name their children the same as each others. It causes a lot of confusion. Did James have a brother or cousin named John W? Have you looked at the possibility Mary Ann was staying, not necessarily living, with her aunt and uncle, despite being given in the summary book as a daughter? Have you found a marriage for a John W LATTER or a Rhoda LATTER? Remember hey may not have married in England or Wales. If anything can go wrong, it will. Connie in London

Hi Shirley, I have found the following which may be of interest to you: http://website.lineone.net/~rtfhs/gypsy.html - if you follow the link to the Journal page then Lowther was mentioned in Vol 3 and Loder in vol 4. Vol 5 index (which I have) lists 2 members with interests in Louder and one in Benson. I only have the index with member numbers so no further details. It might be worth joining even if only for a year. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/uk-romani/2008-01/1199892198 - Bensons in Surrey http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Celtic_Traveller - this seems to give a list of names and where they have been mentioned - Benson and Lowder are both on it http://romanyconnections.wetpaint.com/page/Census+Information%3ALouder%3A http://romanyconnections.wetpaint.com/page/cathayb+surnames+connected+to+me cathayb seems to do quite a lot of geneaology - I think she is a member of the R&TFHS You can also search on this site http://romanyconnections.wetpaint.com/search/everything/benson?contains=benson Hopefully some of this might prove useful - or at least interesting! have fun, Anne ---------------------------------------- > From: samuelphillips@myactv.net > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:07:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SRY] FW: 1851 census > > Dear Anne, Mainly I am researching BENSON starting with my Gt.Grandmother > Sarab Benson christened in Godalming Parish 16 July, 1846. She was the > illegitimate daughter of Mary Benson born in Horsham and christened in > Shermanbury, Sussex on 28 March, 1824. Mary went on to marry a John Lindsey > and have other children. Mary's parents were Thomas and Ann Benson. > Thomas was born around 1790 in Ewell, Surrey? > I have him on the 1841 census class H0107 piece 718 book 16, Parish > Teddington, enumeration district 10, Folio 26, page 3. On the 1951 census > class H0107 piece 1598 Folio 172 page 32, in Dorking. On the 1961 census > Class RG9 piece 440 Folio 18, page 19. > The reason I think they were travellers is because they moved around so > much, on two of the census they are listed as living in tents, and their > occupations are listed as travelling brush makers. > Jethro and Jemima Louder are also listed on the 51 census right below the > Bensons. Jemima was a child of Thomas Benson and appeared on Sarah Bensons > wedding certificate as a witness (very clearly named Jemima Louder not > Souder) also Abraham her brother. > Thank you for your interest, any comments are welcome. Shirley in Maryland, > born in London, used to live in Horley, Surrey. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Capewell" <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:12 PM > Subject: [SRY] FW: 1851 census > > > > > > Hi Shirley, > > > > I have only just picked up on this thread because you have mentioned > > travellers. What is your evidence that they were travellers? I have > > traveller/gypsy ancestors who were often in the Dorking area (seemed to be > > one of the places they visited regularly). Most of mine did get married in > > church - they knew which ones had sympathetic vicars and also used those > > churches for baptisms. They regularly travelled across Sussex to Kent - > > probably for hop picking and other harvests. > > > > Have you searched the internet on 'Louder family history'? You have > > probably seen this already http://genforum.genealogy.com/lowder/. There > > doesn't seem to be much on Sowder - I have done various transcriptions in > > the past and an old fashioned L is often mistaken for an S. > > > > If you can give me a few more details I'll have a look in my R&TFHS stuff > > and see if there is anything relevant. > > > > hth, Anne > > > > > >> From: samuelphillips@myactv.net > >> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:02:50 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [SRY] 1851 census > >> > >> > >> Hi Nivard, thank you again for your help. Its an interesting idea about > >> Jemima but in fact I think Jemima and Abraham were brother and sister. On > >> the 1841 census she is transcribed as Jennie but I am sure her name is > >> Jemima. I will try to see if Amelia Louder is Jethro Louder's sister. > >> That would make sense as Jethro Louder and Jemima were living in the same > >> encampment as the Bensons. The census lists Jemima as Jethro's "wife" but > >> I > >> cannot find a marriage. Would it be common for travellers to just be > >> common > >> law wives. It seems they baptised their children so would they be married > >> in church also? Lots more checking for me to do!!! Thanks so much for > >> your input, Shirley. > >> > > . > > *************************************** > > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > > superfluous old messages in replies. > > > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > > . > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I am new to this list so hello to all. I am completely baffled by the following and wondered if a fresh pair of eye's may see something I'm missing? My 2nd GGrandparents were James Latter born 1853 Crowborough, Sussex and Rhoda Pentecost born 1859 Uckfield, Sussex. James & Rhoda have the following children, all baptised in Uckfield Holy Cross James 1876, Rhoda Ann 1878, Elizabeth Eliza 1880, Ellen Louisa 1884, Mary Ann 1886, William 1887. I have found James,Rhoda and 3 of the above children on the 1881 census( Ref: RG11/1055/59/11) living in Fletching, Sussex. In 1888 James dies, I have a copy of his death cert and it states that James Latter died of cardiac problems, that he was a farm labourer from Isfield aged 36, the informant was the widow of deceased Rhoda Latter. I cannot locate Rhoda or any of the above children on 1891 census? ( James born 1876 is a plough boy in Fletching aged 14) In 1901 I have found this family, I think, living in Caterham, Surrey ( Ref: RG13/631/35/61 ) but Rhoda has changed her name to Rose A Latter and she is with a John W Latter, John's birthplace and age match James? Also they have 2 children with them, George born 1893 Hawkhurst, Kent and Mary Ann born 1886, I was aware of Mary Ann but George was new to me, Again the age and birthplace of Mary Ann fit . In 1911 the family are still living in Caterham( Ref: RG14/226/3248) but John W Latter in the 1901 census has become James Latter, birthplace and age fit my James??? My question is obvious, who could this be with Rhoda? I have searched for a marriage after the death of James in 1888 but nothing, on 1911 census James & Rhoda state they have had 1 child, George 1893 and that they have been married for 22 years, this gives a date of 1889? Was someone impersonating James? Or was there one hell of a coincidence and Rhoda married another James Latter who was also born the same time in the same place? Very very unlikely. Anyway if anyone can see something I'm missing or have some guidance I would be extremely grateful. Kind regards Robert

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: FFHS-NEWS Threat to Croydon Archives Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:59:43 -0500 (EST) From: News from the Federation of Family History Societies <ffhs-news@ffhs-lists.org.uk> It has been brought to my attention at the very last minute, the renewed threat of closure to Croydon Archives. Unfortunately, this has come a bit late in the day to partake in the consultancy as it comes to an end at midnight tonight. However, I hope we can show the Federation's support by helping spread the word. Further details can be found on http://www.archivesforlondon.org/ Beryl Evans FFHS Archives Liaison Officer -------- Original Message ends --------

Dear Anne, Mainly I am researching BENSON starting with my Gt.Grandmother Sarab Benson christened in Godalming Parish 16 July, 1846. She was the illegitimate daughter of Mary Benson born in Horsham and christened in Shermanbury, Sussex on 28 March, 1824. Mary went on to marry a John Lindsey and have other children. Mary's parents were Thomas and Ann Benson. Thomas was born around 1790 in Ewell, Surrey? I have him on the 1841 census class H0107 piece 718 book 16, Parish Teddington, enumeration district 10, Folio 26, page 3. On the 1951 census class H0107 piece 1598 Folio 172 page 32, in Dorking. On the 1961 census Class RG9 piece 440 Folio 18, page 19. The reason I think they were travellers is because they moved around so much, on two of the census they are listed as living in tents, and their occupations are listed as travelling brush makers. Jethro and Jemima Louder are also listed on the 51 census right below the Bensons. Jemima was a child of Thomas Benson and appeared on Sarah Bensons wedding certificate as a witness (very clearly named Jemima Louder not Souder) also Abraham her brother. Thank you for your interest, any comments are welcome. Shirley in Maryland, born in London, used to live in Horley, Surrey. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Capewell" <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:12 PM Subject: [SRY] FW: 1851 census > > Hi Shirley, > > I have only just picked up on this thread because you have mentioned > travellers. What is your evidence that they were travellers? I have > traveller/gypsy ancestors who were often in the Dorking area (seemed to be > one of the places they visited regularly). Most of mine did get married in > church - they knew which ones had sympathetic vicars and also used those > churches for baptisms. They regularly travelled across Sussex to Kent - > probably for hop picking and other harvests. > > Have you searched the internet on 'Louder family history'? You have > probably seen this already http://genforum.genealogy.com/lowder/. There > doesn't seem to be much on Sowder - I have done various transcriptions in > the past and an old fashioned L is often mistaken for an S. > > If you can give me a few more details I'll have a look in my R&TFHS stuff > and see if there is anything relevant. > > hth, Anne > > >> From: samuelphillips@myactv.net >> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:02:50 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [SRY] 1851 census >> >> >> Hi Nivard, thank you again for your help. Its an interesting idea about >> Jemima but in fact I think Jemima and Abraham were brother and sister. On >> the 1841 census she is transcribed as Jennie but I am sure her name is >> Jemima. I will try to see if Amelia Louder is Jethro Louder's sister. >> That would make sense as Jethro Louder and Jemima were living in the same >> encampment as the Bensons. The census lists Jemima as Jethro's "wife" but >> I >> cannot find a marriage. Would it be common for travellers to just be >> common >> law wives. It seems they baptised their children so would they be married >> in church also? Lots more checking for me to do!!! Thanks so much for >> your input, Shirley. >> > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Shirley, I have only just picked up on this thread because you have mentioned travellers. What is your evidence that they were travellers? I have traveller/gypsy ancestors who were often in the Dorking area (seemed to be one of the places they visited regularly). Most of mine did get married in church - they knew which ones had sympathetic vicars and also used those churches for baptisms. They regularly travelled across Sussex to Kent - probably for hop picking and other harvests. Have you searched the internet on 'Louder family history'? You have probably seen this already http://genforum.genealogy.com/lowder/. There doesn't seem to be much on Sowder - I have done various transcriptions in the past and an old fashioned L is often mistaken for an S. If you can give me a few more details I'll have a look in my R&TFHS stuff and see if there is anything relevant. hth, Anne > From: samuelphillips@myactv.net > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:02:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SRY] 1851 census > > > Hi Nivard, thank you again for your help. Its an interesting idea about > Jemima but in fact I think Jemima and Abraham were brother and sister. On > the 1841 census she is transcribed as Jennie but I am sure her name is > Jemima. I will try to see if Amelia Louder is Jethro Louder's sister. > That would make sense as Jethro Louder and Jemima were living in the same > encampment as the Bensons. The census lists Jemima as Jethro's "wife" but I > cannot find a marriage. Would it be common for travellers to just be common > law wives. It seems they baptised their children so would they be married > in church also? Lots more checking for me to do!!! Thanks so much for > your input, Shirley. >

Hi Nivard, thank you again for your help. Its an interesting idea about Jemima but in fact I think Jemima and Abraham were brother and sister. On the 1841 census she is transcribed as Jennie but I am sure her name is Jemima. I will try to see if Amelia Louder is Jethro Louder's sister. That would make sense as Jethro Louder and Jemima were living in the same encampment as the Bensons. The census lists Jemima as Jethro's "wife" but I cannot find a marriage. Would it be common for travellers to just be common law wives. It seems they baptised their children so would they be married in church also? Lots more checking for me to do!!! Thanks so much for your input, Shirley. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] 1851 census > Hi again > > I am wondering if your Jemima LOUDER is in fact Amelia LOUDER ? > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Abraham Benson > Name: Abraham Benson > Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1872 > Registration district: Dorking > Inferred County: Surrey > Volume Number: 2a > Page Number: 206 > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Amelia Sowder > Name: Amelia Sowder > Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1872 > Registration district: Dorking > Inferred County: Surrey > Volume Number: 2a > Page Number: 206 > > (is SOWDER actually LOWDER wrongly spelled LOUDER) > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Amelia Louder > Name: Amelia Louder > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1851 > Registration district: Dorking > Inferred County: Surrey > Volume: 4 > Page: 153 > > Abraham appears in 1881 b1849 (perhaps to narrow the age gap with his > wife) with wife Amelia b1851 Dorking > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 09/01/2013 21:06, Samuel Phillips wrote: >> Nivard, thank you so much for your replies. These Bensons have given me >> all >> kinds of problems. You all helped me once before finding the marriage of >> Sarah Benson to Thomas West. When I sent for the marriage certificate >> the >> witnesses were Jemima Louder and Abraham Benson. These names appear on >> the >> census you looked at for me so I am thinking that that is a good >> indication >> I have the right Benson. >> I am sorry I didn't give you enough info on the 1951 census. I also >> found >> him on the 1941 census Class H0107 piece 716 book 16 Parish Teddington >> District 10 Folio 26 page 3. (thats where I had the year he was born >> from) >> he says yes to being born in the county of the census (Middlesex) then on >> the 1951 census he gives no place of birth, and then on the 1961 census >> he >> says he was born in Ewell, Surrey. >> Sarah b. 1846 Godalming Surrey, was the illegitimate child of Mary Benson >> b. >> 1824 in Horsham, Sussex, daughter of Thomas and Ann Benson. Sarah did >> not >> give a father on the wedding cert. so it does seem to fit together. >> I would really appreciate your comments on whether I am on the >> right >> trail, my son and I have been trying to put the pieces together on this >> for >> a long time. Thank you for your time, I see you help so many people. >> Shirley > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again I am wondering if your Jemima LOUDER is in fact Amelia LOUDER ? England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Abraham Benson Name: Abraham Benson Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1872 Registration district: Dorking Inferred County: Surrey Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 206 England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Amelia Sowder Name: Amelia Sowder Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1872 Registration district: Dorking Inferred County: Surrey Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 206 (is SOWDER actually LOWDER wrongly spelled LOUDER) England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Amelia Louder Name: Amelia Louder Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1851 Registration district: Dorking Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 4 Page: 153 Abraham appears in 1881 b1849 (perhaps to narrow the age gap with his wife) with wife Amelia b1851 Dorking Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/01/2013 21:06, Samuel Phillips wrote: > Nivard, thank you so much for your replies. These Bensons have given me all > kinds of problems. You all helped me once before finding the marriage of > Sarah Benson to Thomas West. When I sent for the marriage certificate the > witnesses were Jemima Louder and Abraham Benson. These names appear on the > census you looked at for me so I am thinking that that is a good indication > I have the right Benson. > I am sorry I didn't give you enough info on the 1951 census. I also found > him on the 1941 census Class H0107 piece 716 book 16 Parish Teddington > District 10 Folio 26 page 3. (thats where I had the year he was born from) > he says yes to being born in the county of the census (Middlesex) then on > the 1951 census he gives no place of birth, and then on the 1961 census he > says he was born in Ewell, Surrey. > Sarah b. 1846 Godalming Surrey, was the illegitimate child of Mary Benson b. > 1824 in Horsham, Sussex, daughter of Thomas and Ann Benson. Sarah did not > give a father on the wedding cert. so it does seem to fit together. > I would really appreciate your comments on whether I am on the right > trail, my son and I have been trying to put the pieces together on this for > a long time. Thank you for your time, I see you help so many people. > Shirley