Caroline, If you can tell us the date and the place you're interested in, someone may be able to help. Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of rangue@sky.com Dear list I just wanted to know if there is another way of locating web sites for electoral rolls apart from ancestry kind thanks caroline Sent using BlackBerryR from Orange

rangue@sky.com wrote: > Dear list I just wanted to know if there is another way of locating > web sites for electoral rolls apart from ancestry kind thanks Hallo The only other place for electoral rolls would be 192.com. You have to pay for information. Only the public entries are available. You won't find anyone who has chosen not to be included. I have heard the entries are not always correct or up to date. Connie in London

Dear list I just wanted to know if there is another way of locating web sites for electoral rolls apart from ancestry kind thanks caroline Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange

As a result of a flood of both scam and malicious mails aimed at the list in the names of genuine list members who've had their email accounts hacked, I have had to put the list on moderation. I will deal with mails as quickly as I can but there may be some delays. I have to sleep sometimes! :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Trevor. Nothing for me pro tem but couple of names may fit in some time. Made interesting reading in parts. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to offer it to us. Joan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Howard" <trev.r.howard@virginmedia.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:44 AM Subject: [SRY] Surrey wills updated > > The Surrey Plus Wills index has just been updated

Trev You may like to have some more Berks wills, I have some more since the publication of the Berks Probate Index by Berks FHS. A couple of visits to Reading meant I have quite a few more Bob -----Original Message----- From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trevor Howard Sent: 10 February 2013 00:44 To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: [SRY] Surrey wills updated The Surrey Plus Wills index has just been updated and has reached a landmark figure with 3000 wills of Surrey testators now included. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engsurry/ 1,486 wills from other counties: BDF-100, BRK-135, BKM-76, HAM-171, KEN-132, MDX- 385, NTH-167, OXF-168, SSX-152 Trev . *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Surrey Plus Wills index has just been updated and has reached a landmark figure with 3000 wills of Surrey testators now included. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engsurry/ 1,486 wills from other counties: BDF-100, BRK-135, BKM-76, HAM-171, KEN-132, MDX- 385, NTH-167, OXF-168, SSX-152 Trev

Holders of YAHOO addresses are currently being targetted by hackers who then use addresses in the account to send spam mails which contain only a malicious link with no subject line or with Hi or Hello. I would ask any members of the list who use a YAHOO address to change and strengthen their account password at the very least. There is no need to panic about mails from YAHOO addresses though. The majority are fine. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

From The Dundee Courier & Argus ( Dundee, Scotland ), Friday, September 18, 1868; Issue 4719.  DEATH FROM AN ARROW.  -  A little girl named Clara Louisa BINGHAM , while lying on the grass during the Foresters'  fete in Vinter's park, near Maidstone, was struck by a stray arrow, shot from the bow of a lady, which inflicted a severe wound. The little girl was taken to the West Kent General Hospital, where she was an in-patient for some time, but was afterwards removed home, and she has since died from the effects of the wound.  She was the only child of poor parents.  N.B. This is NOT connected to our research, but we have found the Baptism of Clara Louisa BINGHAM in St. George Camberwell Southwark. She was born on 7th June 1864 & Baptised on 7th July 1864.  Her parents were John & Ann.  John was a Sergeant in the Royal Engineers.On the 1871 census both John & Ann are shown as aged 36 & living at 3, Alder Street, St. George, Camberwell.  John was born in Woolwich, Kent,  & Ann in Goudhurst, Kent.  They have 2 children on 1871 census, both born in Camberwell, John W. W. is shown as aged 3, & Isabella S. aged 1.

Hello. I was browsing through a drawer of hand-written notes I should really throw away, when I realised I'd entered the incorrect data on my computer for a burial at Benhilton. In the PR there were 2 entries for an Alice BRYANT. One "Alice" was the spouse of Henry BRYANT and died in 1940. The other died in 1925 and was the spouse (even a sister or sister-in-law) of a James BRYANT. At a rough guess the year of birth for both this latter couple would be about 1860. As a very long shot I looked for a likely marriage for a James BRYANT to an Alice in freebmd 1880 to 1890 in Surrey county. The were only two, Reigate and Epsom districts. But the wife for both James was an Alice. SIMPKIN and BRIDGSTOCK If there is anyone on list interested I can pass on a few details. Could there be a connection? Thanks. Joan.

From Jackson's Oxford Journal ( Oxford, England ), Saturday, July 14, 1827; Issue 3872.  MARRIED. Henry SPARKES , Esq., of Bramley, Surrey, to Maria, 5th daughter of the late J. MOLINEAUX , Esq., of Lewes.

Surrey Heritage's Marvels of the Month for February are now online at http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/marvels and on display in the foyer of Surrey History Centre. This month, we celebrate 'Your Paintings' and a literary connection, highlight the historical significance of seals, and discover an affectionate side to Surrey politician, Henry Goulburn. Apologies for cross-posting. Jill Hyams On behalf of Surrey Heritage

You may also find "the Welsh in London 1500 - 2000" edited by Emrys Jones pub. University of Wales Press interesting showing the waves of Welsh immigrants into London and the amongst others, foundation of the dairies and later the haberdashery shops Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard M Brown" <richardmbrown6@gmail.com> To: "roots list surrey" <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] John May, Cow Keeper, Peckham Camberwell area about 1840s > Rummins, > > I see you have had some replies to your message. > > I would like to add that during Victorian times, Urban Dairies abounded. > There are several examples of former dairies in London - the buildings > converted into shops and residential. Do check the Imagesof England pages > under English Heritage for details on former dairy buildings, now listed. > > Also, check out this website link: - > http://www.sustainweb.org/jelliedeel/articles/358/ > > One or more cows were kept by individuals to supply milk sold to > neighbours > etc. > > Mayhew's book "London Labour and London Poor" is well worth referring to. > I believe it is freely available on the Internet via Project Gutenberg or > www.Archive.org > > HTH > > Richard Brown > > > On 30 January 2013 23:08, <eng-surrey-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 5. John May, Cow Keeper, Peckham Camberwell area about 1840s >> (rummins) >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:23:53 +0800 >> From: "rummins" <rummins@optusnet.com.au> >> Subject: [SRY] John May, Cow Keeper, Peckham Camberwell area about >> 1840s >> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> >> >> Dear Listers, >> >> --- SNIP --- >> >> Also would anybody know if cow keepers had their own land to graze stock >> on >> or would the cows have been grazing on common ground at this time? >> >> Many thanks for any background information or connections to this couple >> or >> to any of their known 11 children born between 1818 and 1838. I have a >> copy >> of the birth certificate, 19 August 1838, for the youngest, Annie Sophia >> May >> (later Mrs William Aldous and married 23 December 1865 St George >> Bloomsbury >> Middlesex) >> >> Regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> **************************************** >> > > > -- > Richard Brown > Bromley, Kent > U.K. > Member of: - > E. Surrey Family History Society ) And in > http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/ ) very > Lincolnshire Family History Society ) good > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ ) company. > . > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com > . > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lawrence Pearse wrote: > > Can anyone provide me with advice or help in looking for French > birth/marriage/death records in the 20th century? Please reply offlist as this is off topic for Surrey, England. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Can anyone provide me with advice or help in looking for French birth/marriage/death records in the 20th century? I have an ancestor who married a French girl in France in 1919; they had 2 sons both born in France. He died in London in 1924; there is no indication on the DC whether his wife was with him in England. I cannot find her death (or potential remarriage) in Britain. Family memory (obviously not always reliable) relates that the boys were orphaned and brought up in England. There is a record of the younger one in a school for orphans in Kent in 1937. I have found the French birth record of the French girl in 1900 and a census for her family in 1911. I would like to find the marriage record in 1919, and any information about what happened to the girl after that, and especially after her husband's death in London in 1924. Details are as follows (no French accents used!). Aimee Cecile Eugenie Bertin born 1 October 1900 in Marquise, Pas de Calais. Aimee Cecile Bertin recorded in 1911 in Marquise with her father Jean Francois and mother Louise Aimee Bertin. She married (or at the very least lived with; he was serving in the Army in 1919) Sidney Alfred Bloxam (recorded at birth as Alfred Sydney) in 1919. First son born Sidney Charles Bloxam on 26 April 1919 in Marquise (details from his 1969 death certificate in Surrey, where his mother is not mentioned). Sidney Charles Bloxam does not appear to have married. Second son was George Bloxam - no British birth record, so probably also born in France. Sidney Alfred Bloxam died 20 March 1924 in Camden, a bus conductor living in Southwark; death reported by his brother-in-law. (As an aside, the death was registered in Camberwell, although it happened in Camden - is that irregular, or does it not matter where the death is registered?) Both children were in England in 1929 (dated group photo) - whether on a visit or living there is impossible to tell. Any advice or help would be gratefully received. Lawrence Pearse

I wonder if these refer to Propaganda Postcards (of which there were a lot in WW1) as propoganda in one of it's meanings can cause panic. Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda Propaganda Cards http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/ -- Regards Valerie Silverhill Alpacas www.silverhill.co.nz

Thanks, Anne. Yes, they may be pre-printed field postcards (don't know if they existed in June 1915; they certainly did by the autumn) or even just ordinary postcards. He talks of sending them to a number of different people including non-relatives, and, as you see from the quote below, to his sweetheart as often as possible. I suspect they were just cards with little more than his name on them, written and posted quickly when he did not have time to write a letter, and aimed at reassuring those at home that he was still alive. I imagine it was a phrase in use among the Tommies at that time. Thanks for the link to the War Time Memories site. Will see if they come up with anything. Lawrence > From: alc_goytre@hotmail.com > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:32:16 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SRY] panic postcards > > > Hi Lawrence, Perhaps they were the preprinted postcards that were used later on in the war? - see http://www.zenker.se/History/July_1/july_1.shtml about 3/4 of the way down. Or 'field postcards'? http://rufusrambles.hubpages.com/hub/World-War-1-Field-Service-Postcards-from-the-front You could try contacting this site http://www.wartimememoriesproject.com/greatwar/ hth, Anne > ---------------------------------------- > > From: lawrencepearse@msn.com > > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 9 Jan 013 6::5::1 +000< > > Subject: [SRY] panic postcards > > > > > > "Can anyone tell me what panic postcards were? I am transcribing my grandfather's letters home from France in WW,, and he twice uses the phrase. On one occasion he writes to his sweetheart "I'll send panic postcards as often as possible", so I assume he wasn't wanting to panic her. I have found nothing on line yet to explain it. > > Lawrence Pearse > > .

Rummins, I see you have had some replies to your message. I would like to add that during Victorian times, Urban Dairies abounded. There are several examples of former dairies in London - the buildings converted into shops and residential. Do check the Imagesof England pages under English Heritage for details on former dairy buildings, now listed. Also, check out this website link: - http://www.sustainweb.org/jelliedeel/articles/358/ One or more cows were kept by individuals to supply milk sold to neighbours etc. Mayhew's book "London Labour and London Poor" is well worth referring to. I believe it is freely available on the Internet via Project Gutenberg or www.Archive.org HTH Richard Brown On 30 January 2013 23:08, <eng-surrey-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 5. John May, Cow Keeper, Peckham Camberwell area about 1840s > (rummins) > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:23:53 +0800 > From: "rummins" <rummins@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [SRY] John May, Cow Keeper, Peckham Camberwell area about > 1840s > To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > > Dear Listers, > > --- SNIP --- > > Also would anybody know if cow keepers had their own land to graze stock on > or would the cows have been grazing on common ground at this time? > > Many thanks for any background information or connections to this couple or > to any of their known 11 children born between 1818 and 1838. I have a copy > of the birth certificate, 19 August 1838, for the youngest, Annie Sophia > May > (later Mrs William Aldous and married 23 December 1865 St George Bloomsbury > Middlesex) > > Regards, > Elizabeth > > **************************************** > -- Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. Member of: - E. Surrey Family History Society ) And in http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/ ) very Lincolnshire Family History Society ) good http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ ) company.

Dear Listers, Does anybody have a connection to John May and his wife Elizabeth, who were recorded as Cow Keepers in the 1840s and 1850s? John died about 1845 in Camberwell Surrey and his widow then is also shown as being a Cow Keeper in the 1851 census records. Her maiden name is unknown at this stage but on a later census she was listed as having been born in Ringwood Hampshire. Elizabeth died in November 1872 with the place being given as 3 Clayton Road Peckham Surrey. Does anybody know if this would have been a private dwelling at that time? Also would anybody know if cow keepers had their own land to graze stock on or would the cows have been grazing on common ground at this time? Many thanks for any background information or connections to this couple or to any of their known 11 children born between 1818 and 1838. I have a copy of the birth certificate, 19 August 1838, for the youngest, Annie Sophia May (later Mrs William Aldous and married 23 December 1865 St George Bloomsbury Middlesex) Regards, Elizabeth

I did some research for a lady in Australia, one of her ancestors had been transported out there in the 1834. The man's father was a Cow Keeper in the New Brentford area, he had however been born in Pentridge, Dorset (abt 1776), and made enough money in Brentford to pay for his remains to be sent back to Pentridge for burial (1822). He is on some of the Land Tax Assessments for the area (1816-1820 inc.). Although these give the amount paid per year, they don't give the acreage, merely whether sums assessed are to be exonerated (from tax) or not.. His Will includes instructions regarding his leasehold and copyhold lands, and mentions horse, cart and livery, plus household items. As far as we can tell there were no other members of the Cow Keeper's Dorset family in the "London" area, and no tales survive as to why he left home. The rest of the Dorset family are believed to have been Ag Labs in and around Pentridge. It is believed that the son (convict) was a cooper, but was often in trouble with the law, hence the deportation for life. He became a very respectable man out there - but not a cow keeper! JK On 30 January 2013 22:51, Philip Maddocks <listenat@talktalk.net> wrote: > My greatgreat grandfather was a cowkeeper his father was a market gardener > and his brother a dairyman all in Peckham > > I believe that he took his cattle out to a farm to feed them up and brought > them back to Peckham to sell their milk, he named his son after the farmer > and his daughter after his wife. > > I believe that they were Welsh immigrants in early 1800s but open to debate > > Philip Maddocks > >