I wish whoever has the dubious pleasure of transcribing that lot the best of British :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > The Tooting baptisms 1556 to 1837 will be on the next edition of the > West Surrey FHS CD 'Surrey Baptisms not in the IGI' which will be > released in November. Probably a better bet than trawling through these! > Regards > Cliff Webb > > > Cliff Webb

Found while having a google :-) http://www.stlukes4u.org/burials.htm Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Richard, Thank you for your email, I have checked the ships list, like you say it is a very good website, have used it quite a bit, however the Lady Sheila isn't listed. Possibly because the wreck site is still listed as a live dive site. Heather

Hello Helen Yes, you will be able to order online from early November. Keep an eye on the website www.wsfhs.org for when it appears in the CD section. There's a link from the website to Genfair where you can order online. Alternatively go directly to: http://www.genfair.co.uk/supplier.php?sid=118 Ann From: "Helen Bisset" <helensgen@yahoo.com.au> Do you know if I will be able to order this CD online? I am in Australia, so can't visit the FHS. I am helping my best friend research her Jones line from Tooting. If there are anyone with Jones connections from Tooting, please be in touch. Helen Qld Australia --- On Sun, 27/9/09, Webb, Cliff <cwebb@rmluk.com> wrote: The Tooting baptisms 1556 to 1837 will be on the next edition of the West Surrey FHS CD 'Surrey Baptisms not in the IGI' which will be released in November. Probably a better bet than trawling through these!

Hello Bill, When I worked in London just off Fleet Street, I went into St. Brides Church, it is a very old Church and is known as the Journalist Church, re all of the Newspaper Companies that worked in Fleet Street at that time and Reuters just off Fleet Street. There is no reason why John Dalton and Ann/Anne Brown could not have lived in the Fleet Street area, there are so many businesses located in Fleet Street and the alley ways off Fleet Street. Dr. Johnson lived off one of the alley ways, and the Law Courts are in Fleet Street. John and Ann could have been Cleaners, they work very early in the mornings for all of the Companies and would need to live close to where they worked . Fleet Street is not far from Blackfriars Bridge and Southwark in Surrey. I walked many times from Blackfriars to Waterloo Station. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk

It will be available from November on West Surrey FHS website Regards Cliff Webb Cliff Webb Director Rattner Mackenzie Limited A subsidiary of HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc. Mailto:cwebb@rmluk.com Tel: +44 20 7480 5511-----Original Message----- From: Neil & Jan Hearn [mailto:neil.hearn3@bigpond.com] Sent: 27 September 2009 08:50 To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SRY] St Leonards Streatham unindexed PRs pre 1813 Hi Cliff, How can we obtain the cd you mentioned please? Jan in sunny Queensland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Webb, Cliff" <cwebb@rmluk.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] St Leonards Streatham unindexed PRs pre 1813 > Dear Nivard > Once again thank you for listing this parish's Streatham occurrences on > Ancestry's London pre-1812 section. As part of our ongoing project to > index these parish registers, Streatham baptisms 1754-69 will be on the > new edition of the West Surrey FHS CD 'Surrey Baptisms not in the IGI' > to be issued in November this year. 1769-99 is in an advanced stage and > only needs some final checks so should be in the 2010 edition. > Regards > Cliff Webb > > > > Cliff Webb > > Director > Rattner Mackenzie Limited > A subsidiary of HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc. > > Mailto:cwebb@rmluk.com > Tel: +44 20 7480 5511 > > This e-mail contains confidential information, and may contain privileged information, which is the property of the sender, and is intended solely for the attention and use of the addressee. If you are not the named addressee, you must not disclose, copy or retransmit this transmission or take any other action in reliance upon this transmission, and you should notify us as soon as possible. Rattner Mackenzie Limited is authorized and regulated by the Financial Services Authority / registered in England & Wales No.: 02303498, with registered office: Walsingham House, 35 Seething Lane, London EC3N 4AH. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

Dear list, I am interested to know whether there are admission records for Godalming Workhouse in Surrey History Centre in the 1820s as they don't appear to be on either a2a or the History Centre's own website. Does anyone have any experience of using these records and do they contain useful biographical information as I think they might? Yours, Ian Thompson Bromley S London _________________________________________________________________ MSN straight to your mobile - news, entertainment, videos and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/

Bill: I have been reading about the search for Banns concerning a marriage between an Ann BROWN and a Mr. DALTON at St.Brides Fleet Street. I am searching for information on my Ancestor, Ann BROWN b. 1776 and m. to a Hercules BACORN/BACON. They came to America and their children were chr. in N.J. Could I have found another marriage for my Ann?? They were supposed to have been in Dorking or Wandsworth, Surrey. according to Dutch Church Records. This is probably a wild guess on my part but the date you mentioned could tie in with the son, Garret's christening. Sincerely, Evelyn Watson, in Ohio, U.S.A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dalton" <rnbill@centurytel.net> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: [SRY] Banns from St. Brides Fleet Street > Hi Fionnghal > > Thanks for the offer to look at the Banns for John Dalton and Ann/Anne > Brown. > > According to the information that I was given, the banns were called on > 5, 12 and 19 May 1805. However, my source did not tell me if there was > any other information recorded in that document. > > Also, do you know of any maps (online hopefully) showing the boundaries > of the different parishes in the London area in 1805? I have been told > that St. Brides was located in Middlesex and I was wondering what were > the other adjacent parishes on the assumption that my John was not > actually a resident of the St. Brides parish. If I take that route then > I would have to know which were the closest parishes and work through > the records of them looking for a Dalton. > > Bill Dalton > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello from New Zealand Would this be of any help ?? Celtic Diving Base Goodwick Parrog, Pembrokeshire, West Wales SA64 0DE Tel: 01348 871938 Mob: 07816 640684 info@celticdiving.co.uk <info@celticdiving.co.uk> ========================================================================================== >> Hi, >> >> If anyone is going to Kew and could spare the time I would appreciate a >> look >> up in the 'deaths at sea' please. >> >> William J Spink bn 1931 Chessington, died I believe 29th November 1954 >> when >> his ship was sunk on route from Swansea to Dublin. Would like this >> confirmed >> with a reference if possible please. >> >> Many thanks >> Heather

The Tooting baptisms 1556 to 1837 will be on the next edition of the West Surrey FHS CD 'Surrey Baptisms not in the IGI' which will be released in November. Probably a better bet than trawling through these! Regards Cliff Webb Cliff Webb Director Rattner Mackenzie Limited A subsidiary of HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc. Mailto:cwebb@rmluk.com Tel: +44 20 7480 5511 This e-mail contains confidential information, and may contain privileged information, which is the property of the sender, and is intended solely for the attention and use of the addressee. If you are not the named addressee, you must not disclose, copy or retransmit this transmission or take any other action in reliance upon this transmission, and you should notify us as soon as possible. Rattner Mackenzie Limited is authorized and regulated by the Financial Services Authority / registered in England & Wales No.: 02303498, with registered office: Walsingham House, 35 Seething Lane, London EC3N 4AH. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

Dear Nivard Once again thank you for listing this parish's Streatham occurrences on Ancestry's London pre-1812 section. As part of our ongoing project to index these parish registers, Streatham baptisms 1754-69 will be on the new edition of the West Surrey FHS CD 'Surrey Baptisms not in the IGI' to be issued in November this year. 1769-99 is in an advanced stage and only needs some final checks so should be in the 2010 edition. Regards Cliff Webb Cliff Webb Director Rattner Mackenzie Limited A subsidiary of HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc. Mailto:cwebb@rmluk.com Tel: +44 20 7480 5511 This e-mail contains confidential information, and may contain privileged information, which is the property of the sender, and is intended solely for the attention and use of the addressee. If you are not the named addressee, you must not disclose, copy or retransmit this transmission or take any other action in reliance upon this transmission, and you should notify us as soon as possible. Rattner Mackenzie Limited is authorized and regulated by the Financial Services Authority / registered in England & Wales No.: 02303498, with registered office: Walsingham House, 35 Seething Lane, London EC3N 4AH. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

Hi Listers, I am looking for some opinions and advice - possibly links to reliable reference sources too.  I am not going to mention any names, but I want to fathom out the question of a child born out of wedlock. Recently, I contacted an unknown relative through marriage.  It turns out that his grandmother had a son fathered by a soldier whom she met, but never married.  The soldier died in WW1.  Grandmother left her son on the doorstep of her own grandparents.  The grandparents placed the child in the care of a paid lady - possibly a child minder.  The mother emigrated to Canada about 6 months after the birth of her son.  The mother was met in the UK by her sister and brother-in-law who came over from Canada for her. OK.  End of story.  My questions are:- 1.  How common were out-of-wedlock births to soldiers? 2.  What was the attitude towards illegitimacy - and was there any particular stigma attached to military offspring? 3.  How would the parents of a family treat the illegitimate child? 4.  Would social standing - real or perceived - affect how the family would deal with the situation? My relatives and I have good ideas as to how these situations were dealt with.  Pre WW1 attitudes would have been prim ans strict with such affairs covered up.  I think even Queen Victoria's family had an illegitimate child somewhere.  I also think that within a family the mother of an illegitimate child would be hidden, or sent away in the latter stages of her pregnancy - to maintain the shell of decency. Certainly Canadian and UK attitudes would have differed, although today the saying is that modern Canadians are more British than the British. Any way help an comments would be much appreciated, you wonderful lot.  Richard Brown Bromley Kent U.K.

Jan, Try the East Surrey Family History Society.  Google ESFHS for their web-site.  Richard Brown Bromley Kent U.K. ----- Original Message ---- From: Neil & Jan Hearn <neil.hearn3@bigpond.com> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 27 September, 2009 8:50:23 Subject: Re: [SRY] St Leonards Streatham unindexed PRs pre 1813 Hi Cliff,             How can we obtain the cd you mentioned please? Jan in sunny Queensland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Webb, Cliff" <cwebb@rmluk.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] St Leonards Streatham unindexed PRs pre 1813 ------------------------ Snip

Hi. There was certainly a William Alexander Downing who was an Attorney-at-Law. He passed his exams in the Michaelmas term of 1858 after studying law at Downing College Cambridge, which was founded by Sir George Downing in circa 1800. Me thinks you have the wrong person and I believe the information on the marriage certificate is quite correct. Best regards. Adrian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary jacob" <mdhwrites@verizon.net> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [SRY] Evidence of identity for marriage,re bannsRe: ENG-SURREY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 246 I think I've read all the responses to the above query, but I didn't see anything about proof of identity. I have no doubt about the bride and groom's name on my great grandparents' marriage certificate. William Alexander DOWNING, solicitor, married Ann JAGGS, daughter of William Jaggs, Master Mariner on 10 Sep 1860 at St Giles, Camberwell. My problem is the groom's father, George Downing, gentleman. As far as I can tell, the groom's father is Alexander Downing, servant, and his mother is Harriet (birth date 18 August 1823; baptism 17 January 1827, All Souls Church, Marylebone, Middlesex). On every census, W.A Downing's age and birthplace agree with the baptismal record. Would a person be asked for proof of his father's name? Or was William free to give any name he liked? My father told me his grandfather, the above W.A. Downing, was illegitimate, father unknown. It's my guess Alexander Downing was not W.A.'s father, explaining the gap between birth and baptism. Nor was his father George Downing, Gentleman as stated on the marriage cert. Since I haven't been able to find a marriage for Alexander Downing and Harriet, I do not know Harriet's surname. I found a William Downing living with Harriet Downing, widow, on the 1841 census, but cannot find him on the 1851 census. From 1861, he appears on every census, right age, right birthplace. Does anyone have any ideas? Mary in Maryland Mostly Surrey/Greater London names: Banks, Downing, Eldridge, Fisher, Jaggs, King, Ohlson, Pillow, Pettengill, Spratt, Webber,

Heather, I haven't been following this discussion, but your metion of a ship sinking grabbed my attention.  There is a jolly good website called The Ships List.  It contains links to shipping companies, passenger lists etc.  It is a easy site to navigate. I can see more puns here:-)) The link is  http://www.theshipslist.com/   The site is, in my opinion, excellant, and it may contain a link to, or advice about, deaths at sea lists.  Richard Brown Bromley Kent U.K. ----- Original Message ---- From: Heather <hh.in.hants@roccoland.plus.com> To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 26 September, 2009 17:01:43 Subject: Re: [SRY] Anyone going to TNA [Kew] Hi Nivard, Thank you for your reply, I am 99.9% certain of the date the ship went down, and as I like you had already checked GRO indexes, Overseas, Regiment/ navy etc registers, the only records I know off left to check are the deaths at sea registers, hence I made request for the "Deaths at sea" to my knowledge these are not online and only now available at Kew [TNA]. Thanks anyway, Heather

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Hi Cliff,   Do you know if I will be able to order this CD online?  I am in Australia, so can't visit the FHS.  I am helping my best friend research her Jones line from Tooting.   If there are anyone with Jones connections from Tooting, please be in touch.   Helen Qld Australia --- On Sun, 27/9/09, Webb, Cliff <cwebb@rmluk.com> wrote: From: Webb, Cliff <cwebb@rmluk.com> Subject: Re: [SRY] Tooting Graveny Surrey Unindexed Parish Registers pre 1813 To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Received: Sunday, 27 September, 2009, 6:12 PM The Tooting baptisms 1556 to 1837 will be on the next edition of the West Surrey FHS CD 'Surrey Baptisms not in the IGI' which will be released in November. Probably a better bet than trawling through these! Regards Cliff Webb Cliff Webb Director Rattner Mackenzie Limited A subsidiary of HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc. Mailto:cwebb@rmluk.com Tel: +44 20 7480 5511 This e-mail contains confidential information, and may contain privileged information, which is the property of the sender, and is intended solely for the attention and use of the addressee.  If you are not the named addressee, you must not disclose, copy or retransmit this transmission or take any other action in reliance upon this transmission, and you should notify us as soon as possible.  Rattner Mackenzie Limited is authorized and regulated by the Financial Services Authority / registered in England & Wales No.: 02303498, with registered office: Walsingham House, 35 Seething Lane, London EC3N 4AH. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________________________________ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/

Try http://maps.familysearch.org/ Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Also, do you know of any maps (online hopefully) showing the boundaries > of the different parishes in the London area in 1805? I have been told > that St. Brides was located in Middlesex and I was wondering what were > the other adjacent parishes on the assumption that my John was not > actually a resident of the St. Brides parish. If I take that route then > I would have to know which were the closest parishes and work through > the records of them looking for a Dalton. > > Bill Dalton

hi Bill, no banns showing yet, though they may just not be up yet.  However, their marriage lines show them both to be from the Parish of St Brides Fleet Street though how long they'd been staying there is unknown.  I tried to contact you off-list to send you the full details but it bounced.  if you e-mail me direct i'll fill you in. le durachd Fionnghal Thanks for the offer to look at the Banns for John Dalton and Ann/Anne Brown.

you want to go to Mapco, Bill.  it is brilliant.  Choose the London maps link and have a good browse.  If the maps don't show parishes, usually there is a helpful hover feature showing the parish the square roughly covers.  The Stanford's 1877 map is the best for parishes and may hep a wee bit of used in conjunction with older maps though f course there will have been many more added. http://archivemaps.com/mapco/index.htm i'll get back to you with your couple - hopefully with a result le durachd Fionnghal Also, do you know of any maps (online hopefully) showing the boundaries of the different parishes in the London area in 1805?  I have been told that St. Brides was located in Middlesex and I was wondering what were the other adjacent parishes on the assumption that my John was not actually a resident of the St. Brides parish.  If I take that route then I would have to know which were the closest parishes and work through the records of them looking for a Dalton. Bill Dalton *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at:  Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message