Hi Sheila Look no further :-) Name: Mary Charlwood Spouse Name: Benjamin Minns Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 23 Nov 1794 Parish: Saint Nicholas, Tooting Graveney County: Middlesex Borough: Wandsworth I will send the image over Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS the reason they are not in the list I posted is that they are already transcribed on Ancestry with images > Dear Nivard > > I wish to confirm the marriage of Benjamin Minns & Mary Charlwood 23 Nov > 1794 given to me by another researcher. > > This date doesn't seem to be covered by the information you give.below. Do > I > need to order the film from LDS. > They were a long way from their homes in Buxted Sussex. > > Regards Sheila > NSW

Dear Nivard I wish to confirm the marriage of Benjamin Minns & Mary Charlwood 23 Nov 1794 given to me by another researcher. This date doesn't seem to be covered by the information you give.below. Do I need to order the film from LDS. They were a long way from their homes in Buxted Sussex. Regards Sheila NSW From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:23 AM Subject: [SRY] Tooting Graveny Surrey Unindexed Parish Registers pre 1813 > These are about the worst I have come across, many pages out of sequence, > the scribe seems to have filled in some pages in an anti-clockwise fashion > > Good luck to you ! > > Unindexed Parish Registers pre 1813 > Tooting Graveny Surrey > > 1556-1783 > P1 Baptisms 1555 to 1653 (P1 to P19) > P19 Marriages 1649 to 1658 (P19 to P21) > P22 Baptisms 1653 > P23 to P25 what appears to be a will > P26 Marriages 1661 & 2 plus 1667 , Baptisms 1661 & 2, Burials 1662 > P27 Mixed Baptisms and Burials 1664 to 1668 (P27 & P28) > P29 Births 1654 > P30 Births/Baptisms 1651 to 1657 (P30 to P31) > P31 Marriages 1658 to 1660 (P31 to P33) > P33 Baptisms 1657 > P34 Some collections for Parishioners? > P35 Marriages 1660 > P35 Burials 1555 to 1641 (P35 to P46) > P46 Baptisms? 1641 to 1652 (although they written as baptisms the dates > follow the burials uninterupted to following page where burials resume, > could they be burials not baptisms?) > P47 Burials 1653 to 1661 (P47) > P48 Marriages 1660 to 1661 (P48 & P49) > P50 Christenings, Marriages & Burials 1670 (right of P50 missed but see > P63) > (P50& P51) > P52 Burials and Baptisms 1676 to 1686 (P52 to P54) > P55 Burials, Marriages & Baptisms 1687 to 1705 (P55 to P62) > P63 looks to be repeat (but whole page) of P50 > P64 Marriages & Baptisms 1669 to 1676 (repeat of earlier pages?) > P65 Marriages, Burials & Baptisms 1676 to 1686 (repeats?) (P65 to P67) > P68 Marriages, Burials & Baptisms 1686 to 1701 (repeats?) (P68 to P73) > P74 Marriages, Burials & Baptisms 1700 to 1720 (P74 to P81) > P82 Marriages, Burials & Baptisms 1720 to 1731 (P82 to P88) > P89 Marriages, Burials & Baptisms 1732 to 1753 (P89 to P95) > P96 Marriages, Burials & Baptisms 1753 to 1761 (P96 to P103) > P103 Marriages, Burials & Baptisms 1761 to 1770/3 (P103 to P110) > P111 Marriages, Burials & Baptisms 1770 to 1780 (P111 to P118) > P118 Marriages, Burials & Baptisms 1781 to 1782 (P118 to P122) > P123 Marriages 1685 > P124 Marriages 1697 plus bequest 1712 Isaac BRAND to the Poor > P125 Bequest 1721 Thomas MAN to Parish plus Bequest James BETEMAN 1726/7 > for > apprentices > > 1783-1798 > 4 pages Baptisms > P1 (register page 12 & 13) 1787 > P2 (register page 18 & 19) 1788 > P3 (register page 26 & 27) 1790 > P4 (register page 34 & 35 1792 to 1793 > > 1783-1802 > P1 Burials 1783 (P1 to P26) > > 1798-1812 > P1 to 6 Baptisms 1800 > (following refer to numbers on Register pages) > P7&8 > P8&9 > P10&11 > P36&37 > P56&57 1811 > P60&61 1812 > (above are just odd pages) > > 1803-1812 > 16 pages all burials 1803 to 1812 > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >

You can search for him yourself at http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ As you didn't give his name, nobody else will be able to find him for you Anne South Australia Carole Beth Arnette wrote: > Am searching for my maternal g gfather in the Gazette ca 1880 - 1886. The > 1881 British census states that he was a "Coal Merchant." The family > history is that he went broke, "lost means to support family," and came to > Texas. His brother paid for their passage. At present, I don't remember > their home address. No other family information available. > > Thank you, > Carole Beth Arnette > kyunes@gmail.com > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers, I have found Chapel Row and Exmouth St on the Charles Booth Poverty map 1898/1899 - they ran parallel between Jubilee St and Jamaica St. I have been unable to find it on more recent maps although both Jubilee and Jamaica Sts are there. Due to the close proximity to the Docks I wondered if the area had been destroyed during the Blitz and when rebuilt Chapel Row and Exmouth St. were not. In 1899 my relatives were living at 4 Chapel Row, Exmouth St, Camberwell (certificates) and were still there in 1916 before moving to Beddington Surrey circa 1920. Can someone help find out about Chapel Row and Exmouth Street? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks Gill in Canada

Hi listers, Can any one please advise where I can see the records of those taken in as prisoners at HMP Brixton in the period 1901 - 1914.  I am looking for admissioins and release registers. Mnay thanks  Richard Brown Bromley Kent U.K.

Thanks Paul: another post backs this up. Regards Ross On 01/10/2009, at 8:38 PM, Paul Cheesman wrote: > I think it is now called Thrale Street. > > Regards, > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kotuku media > To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:05 PM > Subject: [SRY] Southwark streets > > > Hi: > > > I have a birth certificate for 1840 with person born at 72 Castle > St, > St Saviour. > > I can't find that. Has the road been renamed???? > > > Regards > Ross > in New Zealand > \ > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM > AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM > AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Sue and Ross Miller Kotuku Media Ltd 64 4 233 1842 0274 510 339 - Sue 027 246 7682 - Ross 112 Pope Street, Camborne, Wellington 5026 P O Box 54234, Mana, Wellington 5247

It is also my understanding that the term Gentleman also used to include those who were without a current occupation Michael Allbrook On Thu 01/10/09 23:56 , "hilary" hilaryblanford@btinternet.com sent: Hallo Mary The trade and street directories, such as Kellys and Pigots usually had a section for 'people of quality' and if your ancestor was regarded locally as a gentleman then he may be listed as such. You can find some of these directories on line at The London Gazette also has an online archive and periodically published lists of people of quality. Both sites are free and fully searchable Hilary > I think I've read all the responses to the above query, but I didn't see anything about proof of identity. > I have no doubt about the bride and groom's name on my great grandparents' marriage certificate. William Alexander DOWNING, solicitor, married Ann JAGGS, daughter of William Jaggs, Master Mariner on 10 Sep 1860 at St Giles, Camberwell. My problem is the groom's father, George Downing, gentleman. As far as I can tell, the groom's father is Alexander Downing, servant, and his mother is Harriet (birth date 18 August 1823; baptism 17 January 1827, All Souls Church, Marylebone, Middlesex). On every census, W.A Downing's age and birthplace agree with the baptismal record. > Would a person be asked for proof of his father's name? Or was William free to give any name he liked? > My father told me his grandfather, the above W.A. Downing, was illegitimate, father unknown. It's my guess Alexander Downing was not W.A.'s father, explaining the gap between birth and baptism. Nor was his father George Downing, Gentleman as stated on the marriage cert. > Since I haven't been able to find a marriage for Alexander Downing and Harriet, I do not know Harriet's surname. I found a William Downing living with Harriet Downing, widow, on the 1841 census, but cannot find him on the 1851 census. From 1861, he appears on every census, right age, right birthplace. > Does anyone have any ideas? > Mary in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Get the best of MSN on your mobile ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:05:08 +1300 From: kotuku media Subject: [SRY] Southwark streets To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi: I have a birth certificate for 1840 with person born at 72 Castle St, St Saviour. I can't find that. Has the road been renamed???? Regards Ross in New Zealand ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-SURREY list administrator, send an email to . To post a message to the ENG-SURREY mailing list, send an email to . __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-SURREY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 265 ****************************************** *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To add to Anne's reply, the search facility at gazettes-online works via OCR (Optical Character Recognition) - i.e. the text is searched by a clever(ish) piece of software, not indexed by human hand. So it is by no means 100% accurate. Sometimes a manual browse can pay dividends. Your ancestor will only appear if he was declared bankrupt. If he managed to satisfy his creditors before the business folded, or if he was obliged to sell up, then he may not appear in the official notices. Have you tried Trade Directories? Best wishes Caroline > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-surrey-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-surrey- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole Beth Arnette > Sent: 02 October 2009 05:12 > To: ENG-SURREY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SRY] Searchable London Gazette Archives > > Am searching for my maternal g gfather in the Gazette ca 1880 - 1886. > The > 1881 British census states that he was a "Coal Merchant." The family > history is that he went broke, "lost means to support family," and came > to > Texas. His brother paid for their passage. At present, I don't > remember > their home address. No other family information available. > > Thank you, > Carole Beth Arnette > kyunes@gmail.com > *************************************** > Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** > superfluous old messages in replies. > > List Admin can be contacted at: Eng-Surrey-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hallo Mary The trade and street directories, such as Kellys and Pigots usually had a section for 'people of quality' and if your ancestor was regarded locally as a gentleman then he may be listed as such. You can find some of these directories on line at http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ The London Gazette also has an online archive and periodically published lists of people of quality. Both sites are free and fully searchable Hilary > I think I've read all the responses to the above query, but I didn't see anything about proof of identity. > I have no doubt about the bride and groom's name on my great grandparents' marriage certificate. William Alexander DOWNING, solicitor, married Ann JAGGS, daughter of William Jaggs, Master Mariner on 10 Sep 1860 at St Giles, Camberwell. My problem is the groom's father, George Downing, gentleman. As far as I can tell, the groom's father is Alexander Downing, servant, and his mother is Harriet (birth date 18 August 1823; baptism 17 January 1827, All Souls Church, Marylebone, Middlesex). On every census, W.A Downing's age and birthplace agree with the baptismal record. > Would a person be asked for proof of his father's name? Or was William free to give any name he liked? > My father told me his grandfather, the above W.A. Downing, was illegitimate, father unknown. It's my guess Alexander Downing was not W.A.'s father, explaining the gap between birth and baptism. Nor was his father George Downing, Gentleman as stated on the marriage cert. > Since I haven't been able to find a marriage for Alexander Downing and Harriet, I do not know Harriet's surname. I found a William Downing living with Harriet Downing, widow, on the 1841 census, but cannot find him on the 1851 census. From 1861, he appears on every census, right age, right birthplace. > Does anyone have any ideas? > Mary in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:05:08 +1300 From: kotuku media <kotuku.media@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [SRY] Southwark streets To: eng-surrey@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <D2036452-F437-4474-AF42-E49FA1DB9F97@xtra.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi: I have a birth certificate for 1840 with person born at 72 Castle St, St Saviour. I can't find that. Has the road been renamed???? Regards Ross in New Zealand \ ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-SURREY list administrator, send an email to ENG-SURREY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-SURREY mailing list, send an email to ENG-SURREY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SURREY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-SURREY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 265 ******************************************

Am searching for my maternal g gfather in the Gazette ca 1880 - 1886. The 1881 British census states that he was a "Coal Merchant." The family history is that he went broke, "lost means to support family," and came to Texas. His brother paid for their passage. At present, I don't remember their home address. No other family information available. Thank you, Carole Beth Arnette kyunes@gmail.com

HO107/1833 Wroughton, Wiltshire CENSUS 1 Page 12/F424 High Street William MERRIFIELD, mrd, 41, Draper, b. East Kennett Sarah, 33, wife, b. Stockwell, Surrey Caroline, 7, scholar, b. Wroughton, Wilts Elizabeth Mitchell, visitor, 14,scholar, b. Fetter Lane, London Jane Boulton, svt, 19, Hous Servant, b. Cruddle? Page 13/F424 High Street John HIBBERD, mrd, 51, Retail Brewer, b. Codford St.Peter Mary, 53, wife, b. Ash, Surrey James, 20, Assistant, b. Wroughton, Wilts. Thomas, 18, Damper Smith, do Eliza, 11, scholar, do Hannah Hibberd, dau-in-law, mrd, 33, Wife of a Miner, b. Shelbourne William, grandson, 5, scholar, b. Tunbridge John, grandson, 1, b. St.Leonards on Sea, Sussex John Gardner, grandson, 3, scholar, b. Paddington, London Page 26 William VOLLER, 57, Baker, b. Normandy, Surrey Jane, 57, Baker's wife, b. Balterend Fingest? Bucks Frances, 21, Servant, b. Swindon, Wilts Charles, 17, Labourer Swindon Foundry, b. Swindon, Wilts. Lewis, 10, scholar, b. Marlborough, Wilts. CENSUS 2 Page 22/F452 Richard ANDREWS, 43, Ag.Lab., b. Wroughton, Wilts. Susannah, 30, b. Wandsworth, Surrey Elizabeth, 12, do Harriet, 9, do Hannah, 7, do Mary Ann, 5, do Susannah, 2, b. Moreton in the Marsh, Glos. Sarah, 3 weeks, b. Wroughton, Wilts.

This is a shot in the dark but I believe I may have identified one of these two girls in the above censuses. They would have been born Bermondsey 1857 or 1858 Anyone searching by the above names will NOT find them. If anyone has any interest please let me know. MickG

HO107/1834 Wootton Bassett, Wilts. CENSUS 4 Page 19/F149 John HARD, widower, 42, Painter, b. Rotherhithe, Surrey John, 14, Labourer, b. Manchester head: Thomas Ackley, Lodging House Keeper Page 30/F155 George WHITE, 26, Solicitor's Articled Clerk, b. Godalming, Surrey Page 32/F156 High Street George HENNING, 23, Shopman, b. Sheen, Surrey head: Josiah Mackness, Draper Page 45/F162 Thomas GIBBONS, 30, Tea Dealer, b. Ramsbury, Wilts Matilda, 27, Milliner, b. Wantage, Berks Mary, 7, scholar, b. Lambeth, Surrey William, 4, b. Purton Matilda, 2, b. Wootton Bassett, Wilts. Sarah Glass, svt, 16, Housemaid, b. Cliffe Pypiard Thomas Neate, lodger, unm, 56, Gent., b. Wootton Bassett, Wilts.

HO107/1846, Winterslow, Wiltshire Page 1 Rectory Matilda LANE, 29, unm, Servant to Captain, b. Lambeth head: Edward Levard, Rector of Parish Page 6 Gabriel PEARCE, 64, Woodman's Labourer, b. Winterslow, Wilts. Sarah, 68, wife, b. Lambeth, Surrey HO107/1841 Woolley-Leigh, Wiltshire CENSUS 1 Page 23/F129 Jane HENDY, lodger, widow, 74, Pauper Wool Picker, b. Surrey, London head: James Hibbard, Broad Cloth Weaver HO107/1844 Wootton Rivers, Wiltshire Page 1 Edward Thomas SOMERSET, 34, Farmer 200 acres, b. Milton Mary Ann, 32, b. Kentbury, Berks FrederickAugustus, 5, b. Lambeth, Surrey Philipina, 2, b. Wootton Rivers, Wilts. Rebecca, 1, do Sarah Porton, svt, 19, b. Savernake Ann Rumble, svt, 20, b. Beechingstoke Elizabeth Ward, svt, 14, b. Milton

Hi: I have a birth certificate for 1840 with person born at 72 Castle St, St Saviour. I can't find that. Has the road been renamed???? Regards Ross in New Zealand \

Or the reverse....where the young stud marries (or lives with) the older woman perhaps secretly (because they were not allowed to marry) and none of the kids are baptised through embarassment, or fear of disovery that they had children out of wedlock......I have two of those.... Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Experence has shown me that marriage certificates can be > the work of the imagination of the parties involved . > More so than census returns. yes, one of my grandparents declared on her marriage lines that both her parents were dead, when in fact they were both very much alive and kicking. one reason was she herself had left home in disgrace through being pregnant so when she met someone to marry, she didn't want her father informing him she was not quite the sweet girl he thought! also her mum had been admitted to an asylum - for having smallpox!! why? - and that was a shameful secret. by then she'd two shameful secrets to keep! > found out after her mother died that she had deducted 10 > years from her age about the time of the marriage and > maintained the deception to her death. That is a very common one, especially with women, i suspect more amongst those who have difficulty finding a husband before they reach in their mid-twenties. I've found it in various families amongst my forebears but one particularly, where, of the 6 daughters only 2 married. One spinster died leaving 3 and they could'nt give their truthful age if they tried. Which every census, they grew progressively younger compared to their peers, and when one did eventually marry she knocked 14yrs off her age! I always make plenty of allowance for age fabrication when it comes to certs and censuses le durachd Fionnghal

Hi Dave Well worth the small effort to do the corrections, not only does it help you and others but every correction has a link to contact you as the contributor Looking at a lot of the 16th and 17th century PRs its a wonder we get any transcriptions that make sense as the writing in much of the early PRs is extremely difficult to read (slight understatement there !) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Thanks Nivard > > I corrected thirty entries this afternoon. > > I wonder what the 16th and 17th century record transcriptions will look > like? > > Regards > Dave from North Devon

Thanks Nivard I corrected thirty entries this afternoon. I wonder what the 16th and 17th century record transcriptions will look like? Regards Dave from North Devon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [SRY] Ancestry.com and London MetropolitanArchivesrecordscorrections > Hi Dave > > When you find the transcription (View record on the left not view image on > the right), to the left is an "add alternative information" > > For the census there is now a transcript under the census image (click > down arrow at the bottom of the screen) where you can add changes / > alternatives to names, place of birth and birth year > > In all cases the additions will be added to the searchable database > usually in 1 to 4 weeks > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Cliff >> >> I have been doing a blanket search of the marriages for the family >> CHRISTOPHER. In 500 entries I have found 5% error where the real surname >> has been omitted e.g. John Christopher Miller has been transcribed as >> John >> Christopher. >> This is not a complaint, I have transcribed myself and know how difficult >> the task can be, this is still a wonderful resource. >> >> What I would like to know is have you found a route for introducing >> corrections? >> >> Regards >> Dave > > >

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I do not believe that you have been refered to the website:     On this website you will spot that there was no Union Workhouse before 1836 and even when it is created it does not mention Godalming.  May i suggest that you contact the Godalming Museum who almost certainly know more than I! Michael Allbrook On Sun 27/09/09 13:03 , "Barbara Mallyon" BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk sent: Hello Ian, If I am correct the Workhouse was at Hambledon near Chiddingfold, the record were all destroyed according to the Surrey History Centre, I am also interested in the Workhouse records. There was also the Pest House for infectious diseases, again no records have survived. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "I Thompson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:51 AM Subject: [SRY] Godalming Workhouse > > Dear list, > > I am interested to know whether there are admission records for > Godalming Workhouse in Surrey History Centre in the 1820s as they > don't appear to be on either a2a or the History Centre's own > website. > > Does anyone have any experience of using these records and do they > contain useful biographical information as I think they might? > > Yours,> > Ian Thompson > > Bromley> > S London > *************************************** Send your List messages using **PLAIN TEXT** and always **TRIM AWAY** superfluous old messages in replies. List Admin can be contacted at: . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message